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Alright so it's late and I've probably been doing too much reading at the Edmonton and Toronto sections, but I came up with this proposal, I don't think it's great but it's worth a look a perhaps a re-tool after some feedback.
Toronto gets: Dwayne Roloson, Rob Shremp and '09 1st round pick
Edmonton gets: Toskala, Jason Blake, '09 (or'10) 4th round pick
This only happens if Edmonton doesn't think that Garon or Rolly can take the team deep. So this trade most likely does not happen right away, maybe before Christmas or even closer to the deadline. Basically Toronto gets a stop-gap before Pogge comes up, they get rid of Blake (who could fit in nicely in edmonton because he is fast, even though he is older) and obviously T.O gets a nice pick in this years draft. Shremp also gets included if he cannot make the jump to the big club this year. Now I have not looked at the cap hits or the salary cap situations for both teams, but what the hell that's what you guys/girls are all for....
I don't see a spot for Blake on Edmonton. They have more than enough top-six forwards right now, and I don't think they'd be willing to give Blake (who also makes a 4 million a season) more icetime than guys like Gagner, Penner, Cogliano, Nilsson, etc., hence he'd probably end up playing on the 3rd line.
I think one of Steen or Stajan would have to be included instead of Blake (likely Steen, I remember Lowe wanted him before when Toronto was interested in Pronger). Otherwise Schremp, who is their top prospect, and a 1st rounder in a deep draft would be overpayment for Toskala (based on the price of goalies nowadays)
Like you said, the trade would only happen at some point around the trade deadline, when Edmonton is a lock to make the playoffs and thus is willing to trade their 1st rounder.
The Oilers wouldn't be able to make this happen cap-wise, so it wouldn't be a go.
Toskala would be a great pickup for the team, because Garon's the type of guy that'll need to be pushed, and both goaltenders are used to playing fewer games then your typical starter. A Garon-Toskala tandem would do quite nicely.
The Oilers are too loaded on FW to take on Blake though. There's just no possible way it could happen. Cole, Penner, Gagner, Moreau, Nilsson, Hemsky, Pisani and Stortini are their wingers... Blake's not a fighter/agitator so he won't push Storts out, and can't see him taking anyone else's spot at this point.
Toskala for Roloson + Schremp + 2nd?
Although a Rolie-Joseph tandem is pretty damn ugly, you'd be almost guaranteed a spot in the top 2 in next year's draft.
The Oilers wouldn't be able to make this happen cap-wise, so it wouldn't be a go.
Toskala would be a great pickup for the team, because Garon's the type of guy that'll need to be pushed, and both goaltenders are used to playing fewer games then your typical starter. A Garon-Toskala tandem would do quite nicely.
The Oilers are too loaded on FW to take on Blake though. There's just no possible way it could happen. Cole, Penner, Gagner, Moreau, Nilsson, Hemsky, Pisani and Stortini are their wingers... Blake's not a fighter/agitator so he won't push Storts out, and can't see him taking anyone else's spot at this point.
Toskala for Roloson + Schremp + 2nd?
Although a Rolie-Joseph tandem is pretty damn ugly, you'd be almost guaranteed a spot in the top 2 in next year's draft.
I don't mind the look of that trade, though i'd be sketched to take on schremp at this point. Much rather change him with someone like O'marra, who reminds me of a young peca, and add a mid pick to even it out.
Toskala for Roloson + O'marra + 2nd +4th
Looks a little lopsided, maybe add in a lower round pick on Toronto's side to replace the two they are giving us.
Toronto + 6th for Roloson + O'marra + 2nd +4th
Toronto then can flip Rollie to a playoff team, (maybe det?) who lacks goaltending depth for another mid round pick.
Toronto gets: Dwayne Roloson, Rob Shremp and '09 1st round pick
Edmonton gets: Toskala, Jason Blake, '09 (or'10) 4th round pick
Oilers couldn't do it cap wise. They've got about 2 million in space right now and would be adding almost 4.5. To be honest I don't know if I'd do it anyway, Blake would really handcuff the Oil in terms of re-signing a guy like Cole.
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Originally Posted by MrMackey
Toskala for Roloson + Schremp + 2nd?
I'd do this one
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Originally Posted by Tevez
Toskala + 6th for Roloson + O'marra + 2nd +4th
and this one
I don't think the Leafs do either to be honest. Why would you want to get rid of Toskala? He's a hell of a goalie. And a Toskala/Garon tandem for this season would be really good, and then we'd have the option of not re-signing Garon if he doesn't pan out, or trading Toskala if he does.
I don't mind the look of that trade, though i'd be sketched to take on schremp at this point. Much rather change him with someone like O'marra, who reminds me of a young peca, and add a mid pick to even it out.
Toskala for Roloson + O'marra + 2nd +4th
Looks a little lopsided, maybe add in a lower round pick on Toronto's side to replace the two they are giving us.
Toronto + 6th for Roloson + O'marra + 2nd +4th
Toronto then can flip Rollie to a playoff team, (maybe det?) who lacks goaltending depth for another mid round pick.
Garon and a 6th for Cujo, Earle, 2nd and 4th, and tell me how that helps your team? You can then flip Cujo for a mid-round pick.
Toronto then can flip Rollie to a playoff team, (maybe det?) who lacks goaltending depth for another mid round pick.
Really? Detroit? Signed a great back-up, has Howard in the minors, plus the guy that won the best goalie trophy in Sweden playing in Grand Rapids this year, you're right, no depth. They do need a 3.8 million $ back-up, to the back-up goalie.
Quite frankly, I think they should trade Filpulla for Roloson, cause you can never have enough overpriced back-up to the back-up goalies...
hey, I know I'd trade a 3rd for cap problems.(If you need the smiley face, well...)
Like the idea but a no from both teams.
Oilers don't want or need blake and his 4 million per long term deal.
Roloson for Toskala is only a good idea if they are chasing Tavares.
Both Teams get worse
Garon and a 6th for Cujo, Earle, 2nd and 4th, and tell me how that helps your team? You can then flip Cujo for a mid-round pick.
If I'm not mistaken Tevez is a Leafs fan so the Garon analogy doesn't hold up. The Leafs are in a rebuild so in some ways it does make sense. This is a deep draft so it's not likely you'll be able to get a first round pick for Toskala given the market for netminders unless it was the fist for Toskala straight up, but Edmonton couldn't do that cap wise. Roloson going back now means the first drops to a second, but Roloson and a second won't equal Toskala. So Edmonton adds a higher end prospect plus a second rounder and a backup goalie for Toskala. It makes sense on paper value wise.
Then you can consider the impact on the respective teams. Edmonton gets better in net and lightens the projected load on Garon this year. Really good chance of making the playoffs instead of being a fair shot to. Toronto would definitely be taking a longer view of this trade, but look at how Nilsson panned out for Smyth. The right prospect coming from Edmonton helps Toronto in their rebuilding phase and since Edmonton has plenty of solid prospects it benefits Toronto. Yes, Toronto's goaltending would be sketchy next year, but that only improves your chances on the top 5 lottery pick.
I'm not saying one team would do it, another wouldn't, or both would. But I think the way to really consider it form a GM's perspective would be.
To Toronto: Roloson, Schremp (O'marra, or others could be considered), 2nd 09, benefit of shortening rebuild time and benefit of better chance at Tavares who Toronto could use to replace Sundin.
To Edmonton: Toskala (possible 6th in 09) with the benefit of increasing chances at playoffs.
With the right prospect going the other way it'd make a lot of sense for Toronto since they have Pogge in the system. In 2010 Pogge comes up, this traded prospect comes up, Schenn is almost guaranteed to be NHL ready after a year (if he needs any development time at all), and with a high draft pick in 2009 quite possibly Tavares. This trade done properly could allow Toronto to complete a rebuild in only 2 years...much the same way Edmonton did after 2006 except Toronto could be finishing up with 2 top 10 selections and be a little more powerful than Edmonton because of it.
yeah i wouldnt want to do that cap wise, id rather have some space to make a bigger deal later in the season if needed, plus i still want to give Schremp a chance
Toronto gets: Dwayne Roloson, Rob Shremp and '09 1st round pick
Edmonton gets: Toskala, Jason Blake, '09 (or'10) 4th round pick
I'm sorry in advance. I mean no disrespect... but as an Oiler fan BUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
1. Blake hasn't recovered from his illness.
2. Garon was much better than he was expected to be last year.
3. Toskala didn't impress anyone last year.
I wouldn't even take Roloson and Schremp for Blake and Toskala. Blake is too slow to keep up with the Oilers. I
I really don't get why you have a 1st rounder from Edmonton in there.
And on top of that... Blake is a 2nd line forward when at his best. Edmonton has tons of those. Out of:
Cole, Hemsky, Penner, Horcoff, Cogliano, Gagner, Nilson and Brodziak... which of those dude's jobs would Blake be able to steal? None.
BUA-HA-HA.
Now if you wanted to be sensible for a minute, you could consider peddling off a guy like Antropov. A big guy with scoring upside who's UFA next year. Get real dude. You don't take two guys who're really down on your luck and expect to get something worth it's weight in gold in return.
If this deal did go down I would enjoy laughing at the Leafs with Roloson in net all season.
Man people from outside of Alberta are even laughing about Rob Schremp now. The funny thing is that his game has improved. His skating speed and the attention he gives to the defensive aspect to the game have but improved noticeably... the sad thing is that the Oil couldn't justify putting him on the roster unless they wanted to have the 3rd line playing like a scoring line instead of a checking line.
He could end up leading the AHL in scoring next season, and his +/- wont be that bad, either.
I think that he'll be traded away in the next few seasons. For what and to where is a mystery. Philly doesn't mind slow pokes and they don't seem to mind Edmonton, either.
I'm sorry in advance. I mean no disrespect... but as an Oiler fan BUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
1. Blake hasn't recovered from his illness.
2. Garon was much better than he was expected to be last year. 3. Toskala didn't impress anyone last year.
I wouldn't even take Roloson and Schremp for Blake and Toskala. Blake is too slow to keep up with the Oilers. I
I really don't get why you have a 1st rounder from Edmonton in there.
And on top of that... Blake is a 2nd line forward when at his best. Edmonton has tons of those. Out of:
Cole, Hemsky, Penner, Horcoff, Cogliano, Gagner, Nilson and Brodziak... which of those dude's jobs would Blake be able to steal? None.
BUA-HA-HA.
Now if you wanted to be sensible for a minute, you could consider peddling off a guy like Antropov. A big guy with scoring upside who's UFA next year. Get real dude. You don't take two guys who're really down on your luck and expect to get something worth it's weight in gold in return.
If this deal did go down I would enjoy laughing at the Leafs with Roloson in net all season.
Alright, here is where I disagree with this woefully uninformed post.
1. Toskala impressed quite a few people last year, namely Cliff Fletcher, who has basically said he is Toronto's 'untouchable'.
2.Blake would be in the top 3 of the Oilers fastest players, so I don't know where you get the idea he couldn't keep up with them. Seeing as speed is his best attribute.
3. Really, at this point in their careers, Blake is easily better than Brozniak and Nilson, and arguably better than Cogliano. If Edmonton had him on the roster, you would likely see Blake above all three of them (2 of them are centers anyways, unless Im mistaken).
Anyways, away from that and onto the proposal...
Toronto takes a huge drop in goaltending, but gets rid of what could become a caphit burden in Blake, and adds a top prospect and 1st rounder. Valuewise, Toronto wins this one by a pretty good amount, shedding salary and adding youth. Edmonton upgrades in good significantly, adds a 2nd line winger, but gives up a chunk of their future (Looking at their roster, they can afford to). However, the non starter is that Edmonton can't add that kind of salary.
Alright, here is where I disagree with this woefully uninformed post.
1. Toskala impressed quite a few people last year, namely Cliff Fletcher, who has basically said he is Toronto's 'untouchable'.
2.Blake would be in the top 3 of the Oilers fastest players, so I don't know where you get the idea he couldn't keep up with them. Seeing as speed is his best attribute.
3. Really, at this point in their careers, Blake is easily better than Brozniak and Nilson, and arguably better than Cogliano. If Edmonton had him on the roster, you would likely see Blake above all three of them (2 of them are centers anyways, unless Im mistaken).
Anyways, away from that and onto the proposal...
Toronto takes a huge drop in goaltending, but gets rid of what could become a caphit burden in Blake, and adds a top prospect and 1st rounder. Valuewise, Toronto wins this one by a pretty good amount, shedding salary and adding youth. Edmonton upgrades in good significantly, adds a 2nd line winger, but gives up a chunk of their future (Looking at their roster, they can afford to). However, the non starter is that Edmonton can't add that kind of salary.
Why would you play Blake ahead of any of the guys on Edmonton's top 3 lines at this point? He hasn't recovered from his illness as of yet and isn't expect to for some time. He isn't at 100%. He isn't as fast as he was when he scored 40 goals with the Islanders, and he isn't worth the risk because Edmonton wouldn't be able to afford paying him and keeping Toskala.
I'm expecting 20 goals and less than 50 points out of Blake this coming season. That's less than what I'm expecting out of all of Edmonton's top 6 forwards and 1 of their 3rd line forwards.
By the time Toronto announces that Blake is 100% healthy he'll be that much more time removed from his prime. There's no way in hell any team will take Blake's contract until he proves that he's able to earn it. Did he earn it last season? Hell no. He was too ill. Will he this season? I'm sure you can predict my assumption.
Why would you play Blake ahead of any of the guys on Edmonton's top 3 lines at this point? He hasn't recovered from his illness as of yet and isn't expect to for some time. He isn't at 100%. He isn't as fast as he was when he scored 40 goals with the Islanders, and he isn't worth the risk because Edmonton wouldn't be able to afford paying him and keeping Toskala.
I'm expecting 20 goals and less than 50 points out of Blake this coming season. That's less than what I'm expecting out of all of Edmonton's top 6 forwards and 1 of their 3rd line forwards.
By the time Toronto announces that Blake is 100% healthy he'll be that much more time removed from his prime. There's no way in hell any team will take Blake's contract until he proves that he's able to earn it. Did he earn it last season? Hell no. He was too ill. Will he this season? I'm sure you can predict my assumption.
You realize that Blake's illness doesn't effect his playing ability right? You also realize you are predicting edmonton to have 7 20+ goal scorers/50 point forwards?
(Last season they had 2 50-pointers and 3 20-scorers)
Why would you play Blake ahead of any of the guys on Edmonton's top 3 lines at this point? He hasn't recovered from his illness as of yet and isn't expect to for some time. He isn't at 100%. He isn't as fast as he was when he scored 40 goals with the Islanders, and he isn't worth the risk because Edmonton wouldn't be able to afford paying him and keeping Toskala.
I'm expecting 20 goals and less than 50 points out of Blake this coming season. That's less than what I'm expecting out of all of Edmonton's top 6 forwards and 1 of their 3rd line forwards.
By the time Toronto announces that Blake is 100% healthy he'll be that much more time removed from his prime. There's no way in hell any team will take Blake's contract until he proves that he's able to earn it. Did he earn it last season? Hell no. He was too ill. Will he this season? I'm sure you can predict my assumption.
blake was one of torontos hardest workers last year, he just had a bad case of the "oh look the goalies logo"itus. just about every shot he places was dead center on the goaltender, and he sucked infront of the net. he skated hard every shift, and was a tireless 2way worker and I for one cannot wait to see him functioning in a strong defensive 2way system under ron wilson.
He also scored 56 points last year IIRC, which isnt bad for someone who primarily played 2nd line minutes, while fighting with cancer, and on a lackluster offense. that is no excuse for not being able to produce, but it does give us reasons to look forward to jason blake being on our roster.
that being said, his trade value is negative, he is on a long expensive contract, and for god sakes he has cancer. no team is going to take him until he a) earns that contract with 30goals or 80 points or b) is declared cancer free. plain and simple.
