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09-13-2008, 01:46 AM
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Does Time exist?

Here’s something I’ve been thinking about and debating, and learning/gaining different opinions on. Does time exist? I know it’s such a “out there” question to ask, but does it exist? Is it just a human perception, in which us humans what to give ourselves a sense of who we are, where we are, and where we’re going?

The thing is, man is so consumed with time. Whether we're thinking about something we’ve just done in the past, or are going to do or become…Giving us a sense of self and place. Is life just an eternal now? Really our past is memory and our future is fantasy; perceptions within our minds. So, does time exist anywhere past our perception?

Just wanted some thoughts on this. So let me know what you’re thinking.

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Opps. I think this is suppose to posted at the lounge. So I guess a mod can move it, that'd be great. If you have the time . Sorry about posting this in the wrong section.

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Might as well wonder what year it REALLY is, because it sure as hell isn't 2008.

Here's some more food for thought:

Who decided we're in the Western Hemisphere, or the Northern Hemisphere?

North is arbitrary.

Picture a world map with North America on the bottom right.

Another one:

What if what we're living now, is the afterlife? What if we lived previously, then died, and were born into this life now. An entire planet filled with dead people, living out their afterlives. Pretty Hindu-ish, I guess, but I'm into rebirth since I refuse to accept the idea of heaven and hell, eternity and souls and all that crap.

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http://www.iep.utm.edu/t/time.htm#H7

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Or consider the arrow paradox. If there is no such thing as motion because one object cannot exist in two places at any given point in time?

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Time exists. Consider the half life of an isotope. Naturally occurring example of time.

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Or consider the arrow paradox. If there is no such thing as motion because one object cannot exist in two places at any given point in time?
This is one that I was thinking about recently. I can't remember atm if this is the way I stopped ruminating about it or not but I think the paradox arises because both the notion of the moment and duration are intuitive and antithetical. Why they're both intuitive? I think it's because the notion of the moment dovetails with the (merely cultural?) notion of absolute truth as stasis at the same time that individual experience corroborates duration. As soon as we think of change as constantly true or the moment as constantly changing we're already engaged in contradiction at some level. I think change must be infinitesimal and this by defintion precludes any sort of individual isolated moment. Thus time is probably real and the 'moment' probably isn't. Time doesn't neccessarily move forward, it just moves in a given direction and this is consistent with existence or appearance as partaking in the everlasting infinite.


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Time is just a scale....

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Does anything exist? What if the universe is just a big elaborate computer simulation?

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Dude - how do you think we have clocks? Take your nonsense elsewhere.




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Does anything exist? What if the universe is just a big elaborate computer simulation?
Impossible. No way Merrill Howard Kalin is created by some computer program. He's a gift from the Gods.

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Oh my god. THis topic is seriously mind blowing right now.

What if we're not real? Seriously...

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Oh my god. THis topic is seriously mind blowing right now.

What if we're not real? Seriously...
What IF... and I know, I know this will just level you but what if...

We're just a video game.

Some guy, he's just sitting in his throne, playing a REALLY complicated version of Life mixed with Age of Empires.

Eating a lot of Doritos and drinking Mountain Dew.

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What IF... and I know, I know this will just level you but what if...

We're just a video game.

Some guy, he's just sitting in his throne, playing a REALLY complicated version of Life mixed with Age of Empires.

Eating a lot of Doritos and drinking Mountain Dew.
Well, the guy is a jerk then for not unlocking the code that makes the Sharks win the cup

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Well, the guy is a jerk then for not unlocking the code that makes the Sharks win the cup
Too busy saving up his oil resources to take over the Middle East.


Uh-oh! Got political!

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i got confused just reading the title.

imagine what im feeling after reading every post

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Time is just a scale....
That's what I'm thinking as well.

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Depends what you mean by "exists."

Time is a concept.

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This is one that I was thinking about recently. I can't remember atm if this is the way I stopped ruminating about it or not but I think the paradox arises because both the notion of the moment and duration are intuitive and antithetical. Why they're both intuitive? I think it's because the notion of the moment dovetails with the (merely cultural?) notion of absolute truth as stasis at the same time that individual experience corroborates duration. As soon as we think of change as constantly true or the moment as constantly changing we're already engaged in contradiction at some level. I think change must be infinitesimal and this by defintion precludes any sort of individual isolated moment. Thus time is probably real and the 'moment' probably isn't. Time doesn't neccessarily move forward, it just moves in a given direction and this is consistent with existence or appearance as partaking in the everlasting infinite.
there are a lot of complicated words in this post i just don't understand

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Most of what we understand as fact and what we believe in are concepts which simplify life. They serve to prevent us from going completely insane because in the end, we don't know what really matters, what is real and what is make believe.

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Most of what we understand as fact and what we believe in are concepts which simplify life. They serve to prevent us from going completely insane because in the end, we don't know what really matters, what is real and what is make believe.
Like good and evil, or religion.

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Although time is a man made method to convenience the everyday world, it is strange how everybody grows and ages at nearly the exact same pace.

Although, why do some 60 years olds look like their 50 when they are not even very active? Good genes? Or maybe they don't keep up with typical concept of aging, to their bodies, a year may be 200 days rather than 365.

Which begs another question.

Isn't it strange how we all get taller and wrinklier (That a word right?)? Why doesn't our body stay in the same condition? Time is invented by man so you can't say thats the reason.

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Here’s something I’ve been thinking about and debating, and learning/gaining different opinions on. Does time exist? I know it’s such a “out there” question to ask, but does it exist? Is it just a human perception, in which us humans what to give ourselves a sense of who we are, where we are, and where we’re going?

The thing is, man is so consumed with time. Whether we're thinking about something we’ve just done in the past, or are going to do or become…Giving us a sense of self and place. Is life just an eternal now? Really our past is memory and our future is fantasy; perceptions within our minds. So, does time exist anywhere past our perception?

Just wanted some thoughts on this. So let me know what you’re thinking.
better question is does the present exist?


we can understand the past, we know the future is coming, but we can never actually pinpoint the present, by the time we actually comprehend a moment, it's already in the past

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Although time is a man made method to convenience the everyday world, it is strange how everybody grows and ages at nearly the exact same pace.

Although, why do some 60 years olds look like their 50 when they are not even very active? Good genes? Or maybe they don't keep up with typical concept of aging, to their bodies, a year may be 200 days rather than 365.

Which begs another question.

Isn't it strange how we all get taller and wrinklier (That a word right?)? Why doesn't our body stay in the same condition? Time is invented by man so you can't say thats the reason.
time isn't an invention of man, the way we scale time is, but time itself is just another dimension of our universe (x,y,z,t)... saying time is an invention of man is like saying distance is an invention of man

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