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09-14-2008, 12:38 AM
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hey everyone
people have been throwing this prospect around in some trade rumours and I dont know much about him.

I just remember seeing him as the #7 on the world juniors.

whats his value?

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whats his value?
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HE's not tall between 5 foot 10 and 11 .for a defensemen it's small not bad in offensive talent,his offensive talent will need to be great to compensate his lack of size.so time will tell. it,s hard for guy thats size to stop someone thats 6 foot 5

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HE's not tall between 5 foot 10 and 11 .for a defensemen it's small. it,s hard for guy thats size to stop someone thats 6 foot 5
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Yes, Francis Bouillon is a great defenseman.

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francis boullon took lots of seasoning to get good in his zone,so should take some time for subban to

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Honestly.. unless he discovers what defense is... I really don't see him having much value.

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francis boullon took lots of seasoning to get good in his zone,so should take some time for subban to
what kind of seasoning ? Oregano? Basil?

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hey everyone
people have been throwing this prospect around in some trade rumours and I dont know much about him.

I just remember seeing him as the #7 on the world juniors.

whats his value?
His best assets are his blazing speed(fastest Montreal prospect), blistering shot and a fantastic attitude that's endeared him to fans. Might be a 4th defenceman/PP specialist in the league some day.

In terms of value he's a great throw-in for a trade due to his offensive ceiling, but by no means is he a blue chip prospect.

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Yes, Francis Bouillon is a great defenseman.
Bouillon is a proven, capable, nhl defenseman. He had 1 bad season preceded by a very good one and follow by a very good one. He gets a lot of bad comments for really nothing imo. Not going to compare the 2, but much like Robidas before last season, he's simply an unknow, actually your sarcasm just show that.

And i'll conceed, there are plenty of habs fans who are living in that bad season concerning their opinion of Bouillon.

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Well, if you guys remember Brisebois at the time of the '93 cup, that's pretty much what he is. More physical, thank god. Feisty, great offensive power, fast and sick pass and shot, all the potential in the world and all the attitude, effort level and guts to put it to good use. From last year when he was just a wild horse to this year using his skill and abilities much better being a key part of the Bulls appearance at the Memorial Cup finals (being beat by another Habs D prospect, Weber), he's on the right track.

IMO he's going to have a long NHL career as a mainly offensive D. 1st or 6th man? Only him will decide, but I like his chances as being a very strong defensemen.

As trade bait, he's not worth much because outside of Belleville and Montréal he's not really known.

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Aah Subban, the WJC Canadian... Haha...
"Subban" is a 90's slang word for someone who sells xxx in Swedish. Funny!

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Most prospects aren't worth more than a pick in the vicinity of where they were drafted. Most. Obviously some crash early or exceed expectations early. Subban isn't one of those, however, IMHO. Generally speaking he was picked maybe a bit earlier than the consensus would have expected, but I think he has also generally fulfilled the expectations of the Habs and vindicated them for picking him that little bit earlier than the consensus might have expected.

Guys like that don't generally get traded. At least, not as any kind of main asset in a deal. Maybe they get thrown on top as a bit of icing on a bigger deal. But the Habs have invested a certain amount of development and observation in Subban, and they're not going to give that up just to get a pick in roughly the same spot to do all over again a couple years later. I don't think he really has any "value" as such that exceeds his value to the Montreal organization. Give him a few more years and either his value starts to slide toward "bust" or he starts to establish himself as a guy with real NHL potential. Meanwhile, his value isn't going to really change much or be particularly tangible.

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HE's not tall between 5 foot 10 and 11 .for a defensemen it's small not bad in offensive talent,his offensive talent will need to be great to compensate his lack of size.so time will tell. it,s hard for guy thats size to stop someone thats 6 foot 5
Subban is 5"11 but is a sturdy 200 + lbs

He's got tremendous strength and athletic ability...size won't be an issue with him

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I saw him on Friday in a pre-season game against the 67's, and I was really underwhelmed. The only time he stood out was when he was visibly upset after being nailed.

The whole Belleville team was way overmatched though, which is strange because they're supposed to be better. Maybe they just had an off night.

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hey everyone
people have been throwing this prospect around in some trade rumours and I dont know much about him.

I just remember seeing him as the #7 on the world juniors.

whats his value?
I wouldn't expect his value to be all that high but it's almost impossible to know what 29 GM's think of him.

I will say he's one of the Habs top prospects and if he can improve on his defensive game over the next 3-4 years, then he should be an NHLer. He's got impressive physical skills, skating/speed/strength can dish out some solid hits, but he's got to learn his position better, read plays better, and try not to do too much so often. He's still very raw so the Habs would be silly to trade him unless some team really wants him badly and overpays.

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I saw him on Friday in a pre-season game against the 67's, and I was really underwhelmed. The only time he stood out was when he was visibly upset after being nailed.

The whole Belleville team was way overmatched though, which is strange because they're supposed to be better. Maybe they just had an off night.
I expect the Bulls to be a good team again this year.

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I saw him on Friday in a pre-season game against the 67's, and I was really underwhelmed. The only time he stood out was when he was visibly upset after being nailed.

The whole Belleville team was way overmatched though, which is strange because they're supposed to be better. Maybe they just had an off night.
meh, it was an off night but its also preseason. Some of these guys who are going to be on the team might not be going at 100% and its hard too when it doesnt count for anything for those that are locks for the team. Watch him in some regular season games or playoff games and you might see a different Subban.

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I wouldn't expect his value to be all that high but it's almost impossible to know what 29 GM's think of him.

I will say he's one of the Habs top prospects and if he can improve on his defensive game over the next 3-4 years, then he should be an NHLer. He's got impressive physical skills, skating/speed/strength can dish out some solid hits, but he's got to learn his position better, read plays better, and try not to do too much so often. He's still very raw so the Habs would be silly to trade him unless some team really wants him badly and overpays.



I expect the Bulls to be a good team again this year.
The Bulls should be a top-10 team in Canada.

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I expect the Bulls to be a good team again this year.
Me too, which is why I was surprised at how disorganised they looked. They were handed PP after PP in the first period, and couldn't even gain the zone... They even allowed a shortie.

I don't know who Belleville was missing, but Ottawa was without Couture, Demers and Cuma. That Toffoli kid is going to be a good one though, he was really impressive and didn't look like a 16 year old. I already knew he could put the puck in the net, but he was really incredible on the PK.

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Me too, which is why I was surprised at how disorganised they looked. They were handed PP after PP in the first period, and couldn't even gain the zone... They even allowed a shortie.

I don't know who Belleville was missing, but Ottawa was without Couture, Demers and Cuma. That Toffoli kid is going to be a good one though, he was really impressive and didn't look like a 16 year old. I already knew he could put the puck in the net, but he was really incredible on the PK.
meh..they lost against Oshawa 8-2 the other night too....but then again when you dress 14 players and start your backup...lol....

But they still went 3-2 in the preseason so there isnt really any need to worry.

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Subban has the raw talent with the most awesome attitude you can wish in a professionnal hockey players ..... He will make the Nhl one day

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The value of a D-man prospect on a very very solid curve of development with PP Quarterback potential or possibly 2nd line forward.

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Oh god no. More like poor's man Brian Campbell.
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