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09-15-2008, 02:46 PM
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Article on best Centre depth in the east

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I think he's overrating the Caps and Habs centers and underrating the Pens and Flyers.

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As good as Mtl and Washington's top 3 centers are, I would take Pit's trio of Crosby, Malkin and Staal. Is this guys on crack?

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I think he's overrating the Caps and Habs centers and underrating the Pens and Flyers.
Yup.

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I think he's overrating the Caps and Habs centers and underrating the Pens and Flyers.
Agree, by default the pens should be #1 ... Crosby and Malkin are arguably 2/3 top forwards in the NHL. None of Montreal (or washington's) centres are anywhere close to that. Jordal Staal aint bad either.

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Ya, it's nice to get some praise but those are some pretty screwed up rankings.

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Yup.
I think the man takes in consideration the experience factor in his equations hence the two teams with the two vets are in front. I kinda see where he is coming from with this but then again most of the time people tend to forget that experience is most of time a lot more valuable then talent (See guys like chelios who can barely play like he used to and is still an effective nhl dman)

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Ya, it's nice to get some praise but those are some pretty screwed up rankings.
Exactly what I was thinking.

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I think the man takes in consideration the experience factor in his equations hence the two teams with the two vets are in front.
Maybe...but he also has Carolina's 3 ranked fairly low.

Edit: Actually nvm...they are in 8th.

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So?..We're talking about 3players out of a 23player team. Whether Carolina sucked or not is completely irrelevant.
I'd take Brind'Amour over Lang in a heartbeat, Staal over Plek?..same thing.


Is ranking sucks. Pittsburgh went to the cup last season, got beaten by a team that was pretty much flawless.
Pens-Flyers-NYR should all be ahead of us without a doubt, when you look at the center depth
My pt is that even compared to our top 3 last year these guys werent impressive. I'm not talking about the actual potential of these players ofc but I am basing myself on how they did last year.Then again we do not how the caps and our unit will do though as they haven' t played together yet. I am willing to say that at least the caps will win their division over these same canes

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Maybe...but he also has Carolina's 3 ranked fairly low.
Rightfully so seeing as to how carolina sucked last year with that top 3 -.- (I rly hate carolina btw)

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On my playoff team I'd want Koivu over Malkin, but Plekanic or Lang over Crosby? Nah.

I think our guys are slightly better than Philly's though. Briere is very good (still take Koivu over him) but Richards and Carter are a bit overrated atm, but both are still very young.

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On my playoff team I'd want Koivu over Malkin, but Plekanic or Lang over Crosby? Nah.

I think our guys are slightly better than Philly's though. Briere is very good (still take Koivu over him) but Richards and Carter are a bit overrated atm, but both are still very young.
Crosby and Hossa carried the pens to the finals nobody in his right mind wouldn' t pick Crosby as the best center in the east but as a unit overall i think that Staal drove them down in the rankings due to his subpar performance last season.

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On my playoff team I'd want Koivu over Malkin
Not even.

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Rightfully so seeing as to how carolina sucked last year with that top 3 -.- (I rly hate carolina btw)
So?..We're talking about 3players out of a 23player team. Whether Carolina sucked or not is completely irrelevant.
I'd take Brind'Amour over Lang in a heartbeat, Staal over Plek?..same thing.


Is ranking sucks. Pittsburgh went to the cup last season, got beaten by a team that was pretty much flawless.
Pens-Flyers-NYR should all be ahead of us without a doubt, when you look at the center depth

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On my playoff team I'd want Koivu over Malkin, but Plekanic or Lang over Crosby? Nah.

I think our guys are slightly better than Philly's though. Briere is very good (still take Koivu over him) but Richards and Carter are a bit overrated atm, but both are still very young.
As one of Saku Koivu's all time biggest fans, let me be the first to tell you that taking Saks in ANY situation over Malkin is incorrect.

This article is beyond terrible. Crosby/Malkin/Staal wins any centre debate in the east hands down, whatever the criteria is. In fact, no other team in the league besides Detroit should even be mentioned in the same breath as Pitts.

Mtl and Wash have decent centres, and good depth overall...but Pitts smokes both and Philly is ahead of both of them as well. A healthy Connolly gives Buffalo some dangerous depth as well (though that never happens) and Carolina's corps could make a case depending on how well Brindy bounces back this year.

"Vinny is the ultimate hockey player. I say this because I know, having watched him skate in August in Montreal."

This article is loaded with fail!

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On my playoff team I'd want Koivu over Malkin,
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Especially when Bell should not be playing Center and that Antropov might be playing there. And where's Grabovski? Steen is not official at the center position as well even if he's a natural centerman.

And are we really ahead of Pittsburgh and Philadelphia??? How's stupid is that....

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How is Pittsburgh not #1?

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09-15-2008, 03:21 PM
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My pt is that even compared to our top 3 last year these guys werent impressive. I'm not talking about the actual potential of these players ofc but I am basing myself on how they did last year.Then again we do not how the caps and our unit will do though as they haven' t played together yet. I am willing to say that at least the caps will win their division over these same canes
That all depends on Theodore.

As for the centers, the man is talking about general Depth at Center in the Eastern Conference.
He's not talking about which 3centers had the best season last year.
Further on, Carolina at least had 3 centers last year. Cullen got injured but had 49pts/59GP. We had Plekanec, Koivu(that disappointed many by losing his #1 center role), and who after?..Smolinski?..Lapierre??
Ya Carolina's top three weren't that particularly good last year, but didn't they win the cup with them couple years ago??..

When you talk about depth, you have to consider the Potential, Skill and Performance all together, not focus on one bad season.
They have a good top three, pretty similar to ours.

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Yea, you take Koivu instead of Malkin..good for you, my team would crush yours.

People say Malkin was invisible during the POs last season, but they're quite clueless. 22Pts in 20GP is crap, right, in his 2nd PO appearance no less.
Sure, he was a huge non-factor vs Detroit, but so was Crosby, so was Hossa, so was pretty much their whole team.

Taking Koivu over Malkin would just simply be dumb.


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I'll go with Crosby/Malkin/Staal. Even if Staal isn't quite up there yet (although teams such as the Habs would love to have him), the Crosby/Malkin duo swamp the competition.

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Yea, you take Koivu instead of Malkin..good for you, my team would crush yours.

People say Malkin was invisible during the POs last season, but they're quite clueless. 22Pts in 20GP is crap, right, in his 2nd PO appearance no less.
Sure, he was a huge non-factor vs Detroit, but so was Crosby, so was Hossa, so was pretty much their whole team.

Taking Koivu over Malkin would just simply be dumb.
All i know is that the mtl canadiens wouldn' t have beaten their frist round opponent or even been a serious threat to the flyers if it weren't for our captain. Unfortunately i couldn' t say the same about Malkin...(Then again getting 22 pts against the hens cant be that hard )

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I think he's overrating the Caps and Habs centers and underrating the Pens and Flyers.
I would take Pittsburg and Philly centres ahead of CH and Washington's centres, in that order.

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All i know is that the mtl canadiens wouldn' t have beaten their frist round opponent or even been a serious threat to the flyers if it weren't for our captain. Unfortunately i couldn' t say the same about Malkin...(Then again getting 22 pts against the hens cant be that hard )
If we had Malkin, Koivu wouldn't have needed to rush a comeback. We probably would have swept them.

Be a fan of Koivu all you want, call him a warrior,etc..It's all good and I agree.
But saying he's better than Malkin in the POs, is quite dumb.

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