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09-16-2008, 03:49 PM
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Laugh.

WE better be getting Malkin back if we are trading off Luongo.
Agreed. The offer would have to be malkin/staal/2nd rounder for luongo for it to even be reasonable. The offer as it stands now is a joke.

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Laugh.

WE better be getting Malkin back if we are trading off Luongo.
Laugh.

Get real.

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09-16-2008, 04:02 PM
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Agreed. The offer would have to be malkin/staal/2nd rounder for luongo for it to even be reasonable. The offer as it stands now is a joke.
Malkin, Staal, and a 2nd rounder? That seems like a lot to me...

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Agreed. The offer would have to be malkin/staal/2nd rounder for luongo for it to even be reasonable. The offer as it stands now is a joke.
Yeah, this would be a joke ..... to the Pens. Luongo hasn't led anybody anywhere.

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09-16-2008, 04:14 PM
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Yeah, this would be a joke ..... to the Pens. Luongo hasn't led anybody anywhere.
The whole trade proposal board is a joke cause 99% of proposals are ridiculously lopsided and there's no point in posting proposals cause no one is a gm here. This should just be a FA and Rumours board really.

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09-16-2008, 04:28 PM
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Pittsburgh says no quite easily.

That makes Vancouver a lot better than Pittsburgh.
You're crazy. Anytime you can get the best goalie in the world without giving up a superstar in return, you win the trade "quite easily". Fluery is good at times, and terrible at other times. He's not a starting goalie. There is no way Gillis makes this deal.

Luongo has played in the playoffs once.....and he was flat out incredible. To knock him because he hasn't won the cup is ridiculous. Look at the teams he's played on. Last time I checked, GM's "build" Stanley Cup teams. To build one, you need many, many pieces. In other words, if all it took was a good goalie, then why not just spend all your money on a great one and then get 22 fillers?

The same people that knock Luongo's lack of a cup are the same ones that argued Vancouver was terrible 2 years ago and were in the playoffs only because of him.

I guess Dan Marino wasn't a very good QB either?


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09-16-2008, 04:32 PM
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Laugh.

Get real.
Laugh.

As real as the trade proposal in this thread?

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Yeah, this would be a joke ..... to the Pens. Luongo hasn't led anybody anywhere.
Yeah. You know who else is a joke? Sundin. Hasn't led his team to jack ****. What a ****ing tool.

Go have sex with yourself buddy.

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Yeah, this would be a joke ..... to the Pens. Luongo hasn't led anybody anywhere.
Not sure if you noticed, but an AHL defense (Florida, Vancouver after injuries last year) does not a good environment make, for a goalie.

Luongo singlehandedly beat Dallas in the playoffs the year before last... Aside from the 5-4, 7 period opening game, the Canucks scored 6 goals on Turco in 6 games and STILL won the series (they had two empty netters in game 7)..

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Laugh.

WE better be getting Malkin back if we are trading off Luongo.

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Vancouver gets ripped off, so terrible trade.
ur kidding right?

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Yeah. You know who else is a joke? Sundin. Hasn't led his team to jack ****. What a ****ing tool.

Go have sex with yourself buddy.
what r u 12?


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You're crazy. Anytime you can get the best goalie in the world without giving up a superstar in return, you win the trade "quite easily". Fluery is good at times, and terrible at other times. He's not a starting goalie. There is no way Gillis makes this deal.

Luongo has played in the playoffs once.....and he was flat out incredible. To knock him because he hasn't won the cup is ridiculous. Look at the teams he's played on. Last time I checked, GM's "build" Stanley Cup teams. To build one, you need many, many pieces. In other words, if all it took was a good goalie, then why not just spend all your money on a great one and then get 22 fillers?

The same people that knock Luongo's lack of a cup are the same ones that argued Vancouver was terrible 2 years ago and were in the playoffs only because of him.

I guess Dan Marino wasn't a very good QB either?

Fleury is a staring caliber goalie - keep in mind he was injured for a substantial part of the season - the pens easily say no - they don't give up one of the quickest goalies in the game, and a stud youngster for a better goalie.

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what r u 12?
Nope. By the way, from your internet slang/abbreviations, I'm going to guess that you either have a single-digit age or a double-digit IQ.

Stay on topic next time.

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09-16-2008, 04:54 PM
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Yeah, this would be a joke ..... to the Pens. Luongo hasn't led anybody anywhere.
Are you trying to be reasonable? Luongo led - no, carried - a offensively inept team to the 2nd round of the playoffs. If the team could score the first series would have been over in 4.

I don't mean to say that MAF is a bad player; he is good, but if he had replaced Luongo on that team, we probably would have lost in the first series. Also, I don't know if adding Staal would have given us enough offense to score enough to win the games where we got shut out.

To judge the proposal based on that "Luongo hasn't led anybody anywhere" is a joke, because he did carry us through the regular season and past the first round in the playoffs that year. Other than his first playoff game ever (in which he and Turco were f'ing amazing) in that series, he only let in either two goals or one. We got shut out three times for the loss. The next series, he struggled the first game, but after that he kept the team within one each game after. It wasn't his fault the team didn't get far enough in the playoffs so we can claim that 'he led the team ______."

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Are you trying to be reasonable? Luongo led - no, carried - a offensively inept team to the 2nd round of the playoffs. If the team could score the first series would have been over in 4.

I don't mean to say that MAF is a bad player; he is good, but if he had replaced Luongo on that team, we probably would have lost in the first series. Also, I don't know if adding Staal would have given us enough offense to score enough to win the games where we got shut out.

To judge the proposal based on that "Luongo hasn't led anybody anywhere" is a joke, because he did carry us through the regular season and past the first round in the playoffs that year. Other than his first playoff game ever (in which he and Turco were f'ing amazing) in that series, he only let in either two goals or one. We got shut out three times for the loss. The next series, he struggled the first game, but after that he kept the team within one each game after. It wasn't his fault the team didn't get far enough in the playoffs so we can claim that 'he led the team ______."
This is part of the reason this trade sucks for the Penguins. Luongo works for the Canucks, because he fits their team identity. The Canucks play to win one goal games, and because of that they have more of their cap sitting on the back end with a goalie who's eating up a massive chunk. His cap number is 6.75 and after next year when his deal expires, he'll be ready to sign the final big deal of his career meaning he's probably going over 7.

The Penguins on the other hand are a team built around the concept that as long as our forwards are scoring goals in bunches it doesn't matter if the other team puts a few in. They wouldn't want a massive contract in the net, and Fleury with his 7 year deal at 5 and continued growth towards his potential fits that perfectly. Giving up Staal and Fleury at the same time to move more of the cap into the back end and reducing the strength at forward where the Pens identity is just doesn't make a lot of sense. Luongo's impact on the Penguins would not be as great as it is for the Canucks because it's a style that's not as friendly for the goaltender.

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Nope. By the way, from your internet slang/abbreviations, I'm going to guess that you either have a single-digit age or a double-digit IQ.

Stay on topic next time.
umm okiee dokey?

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This deal is pretty fair valuewise. Both sides wake up a bit.

Fleury, Staal and the famous 2nd for Luongo isn't close Nucks fans? I'd say it's pretty damn close.

As for Pens fans I've seen a couple saying why would we do an unnecessary upgrade? Common sense suggets it is my response.

Fleury is going to be a special goalie, I doubt he hits Luongo's level but he'll be pretty close and certainly capable to lead a team to the cup.

This was actually a trade proposal where I had to think hard about it instead of seeing one side and laughing.

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09-16-2008, 05:27 PM
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Yeah. You know who else is a joke? Sundin. Hasn't led his team to jack ****. What a ****ing tool.

Go have sex with yourself buddy.
What a classy Individual you are

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09-16-2008, 05:43 PM
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Staal and Beech, for Kesler, Burrows, Raymond and a 2nd.

Staal would sit between Demitra and whoever on the 2nd line while Beech fills in the fourth line, bumping Johnson up to 3rd line.

Kesler and Burrows, reunited with Cooke, would cause TERROR in the East. And definitely would help keeping goons off against Crosby/Malkin as the Goons would want to bash in these trio of annoyance.

Raymond has upside, and could potentially play with Malkin and produce with their speed.

This could potentially grow into a Gonchar/Sydor+Gill salary dump onto Vancouver for Krajicek+Ellington? Value might seem not fair in Pen's fans' views, but if you dump Gonchar's salary, you can potentially use it to sign a top 6, or even top 3 winger next off season.

Maybe.

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I wouldn't flame that the only thing is the pens are giving two players with a hefty age difference to the ones they're getting. And yes, I know the 1st rounder is included but if I've said it once I've said it a thousands times: DO NOT send 1st rounders to the Penguins, they already have their core they're moving forwards not backwards.
Yeah I totally agree... but some might say that Luongo would be an upgrade from Fluery... and the Penguins most likely won't be able to afford to hold onto Staal... it's too much to spend on a 3rd centermen.... PLUS demitra is a winger.. meaning he could play up with crosby or malkin... just thought it fit in the puzzle better.

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Howzabout the Pens just keep Staal?

Pittsburgh fans all want him to stay, and everybody else says he's overrated. We're all happy.

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No thanks. MAF is signed for 5 more seasons at a very fair price and considering the way he played right before his injury through the rest of the season, an upgrade in goalie is not needed. Also Luongo has 2 more years left on his contract which could leave the Penguins without a number one goalie is you consider how much he will demand and the Penguins cap number.

Demitra certainly could help out there top 2 lines if healthy. (4 of out last 7 years he missed at least 14 games) But why would the Penguins give Staal ( a 20 year old who was the number 2 overall pick) and jeopardize there long-term plans? This deal makes no sense at all.
Because they won't be able to afford to hold onto Staal? He's going to be worth 5 mill minimum after next season.

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How about

To Vancouver
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Malkin

To Pittsburg
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1st rounder


Any flamers?
nope, u fool hahahaha

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You're crazy. Anytime you can get the best goalie in the world without giving up a superstar in return, you win the trade "quite easily". Fluery is good at times, and terrible at other times. He's not a starting goalie. There is no way Gillis makes this deal.
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