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09-19-2008, 12:54 AM
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Which brings me right back to what I said:

I just don't get the love affair with Voros.

He's scrappy, but I didn't see anything that made me stop and say "Wow, sign this guy for three years."

He pretty much came out of nowhere, and something here just screams of a tough version of Scott Fraser.
but renney and sather obviously did....they signed him for 3 years and told him they dont want him to change a thing....honestly, from what i heard he is like a mix of avery and hollweg.....he hits very hard, fights and can score some goals.....he is also bigger than both....and he doesnt take as many dumb penalties....that to me is the player the rangers signed in voros

offense:
avery>voros>hollweg

fighting:
avery>voros>hollweg

scoring:
avery>voros>hollweg

dumb penalties:
voros>avery>hollweg

personality:
hollweg>voros>avery

the list can go on.....but considering the rangers lost a lot of their edge(thats ur name as well HAHA) with hollweg and avery i like the idea of getting a playr of similar age and who brings the same edge to his game night-in and night-out without all of the baggage and the dumb penalties.....

thats why im so excited to see him play

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I agree Edge. I keep forgetting that he signed for three seasons. He's been a career AHLer, for the most part, with one NHL season under his belt and he gets signed for 3 years.

On the other hand, because he does have that toughness, he likely can always have a role on the fourth line if his production really isn't there. Of course at $1MM per, you can also find an option at half that price to just skate around and be tough.

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Which brings me right back to what I said:

I just don't get the love affair with Voros.

He's scrappy, but I didn't see anything that made me stop and say "Wow, sign this guy for three years."

He pretty much came out of nowhere, and something here just screams of a tough version of Scott Fraser.
Well considering Voros is one of a very few players in camp with size and toughness I'm thinking the fan base is hoping for more than just a 4th line goon ala Hollweg. The Rangers actually need Voros to come in, make a spot, and play a role on this team. Who else on the team would you say is a tough SOB? No one on the blueline, Orr who isn't even gonna dress every game, Byers who isn't sure to make the team. Jessiman I guess is also a factor here even though I haven't heard one thing about him since camp started.

Who is going to throw the big hit for this team to change the momentum when it's going bad? Who is going to stick up for team mates? Who is going to be a physical force on this club? Who is going to muck it up against the Isles, Debbies, and Flyers? Christ this team could be one of the softest in the league, add in the club has a lot of small players I don't see it those two things adding up to a lot of wins within the Atlantic Division.

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I agree Edge. I keep forgetting that he signed for three seasons. He's been a career AHLer, for the most part, with one NHL season under his belt and he gets signed for 3 years.

On the other hand, because he does have that toughness, he likely can always have a role on the fourth line if his production really isn't there. Of course at $1MM per, you can also find an option at half that price to just skate around and be tough.
Which is exactly my point.

I have little doubt Sather and company saw something the liked. I question what exactly they saw for $1-million a season over three years.

He's got 55 games of NHL experience in which he scored 7 goals and frankly wasn't that impressive as a fighter. Factor in that some of his production came on a team that gave him higher minutes and look at his AHL numbers and I don't see the ceiling some people seem to think they're getting.

The one thing I can be sure of is that Voros will check and aggrivate. But I don't know if that was worth the contract length/amount he got. It pretty much gurantees him a spot and I don't think Voros is at the point where you take him as a "given" like that.

It seems like a typical "the grass is always greener" kind of move. A guy like Byers plays the exact same game, is younger, a better fighter and put up better AHL numbers.

The difference for Byers is that he didn't play on a crappy team that was willing to call him up. So essentially the mindset is that we should trade him to a bad team, let them take the "gamble" and then we'll sign him after a 55 games.

No matter how you slice it to me, it just doesn't add up.

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Hollweg played himself off of the team with his undisciplined play. In other words, his bad outweighed the good. Orr doesn't help the team a whole lot but he doesn't hurt them alot either. It's not necessarily the way I'd fill out the lineup card but I think that is the reasoning the team uses. If that can makes any sense to you.
You said that Orr is learning speed and defense and that is why Hollweg is gone. You never brought up any other variables in why the decision to release Hollweg was made.

Again, Hollweg is ten times the skater and checker that Orr will ever be so your original statement remains faulty.

Orr remains while Hollweg is gone solely because of fighting. It has zero to do with speed or defense.

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