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09-21-2008, 09:59 PM
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Vigneault questions Wellwood... **Update on Battle of Bulge Below**

http://www.faceoff.com/hockey/nhlnew...om%2fnews.atom

"His commitment to conditioning and being a professional athlete probably wasn't where it needed to be for him to have success," said Vigneault. "His test results showed from early July (to training camp) significant improvements. That being said, it's still not NHL calibre."

So, it appears as if Mr. Wellwood is still battling the bulge.

It this a surprise to anyone? Is there anyone out there who still thinks Cliff should have signed him to that 997k offer sheet?

NEWS FLASH - Globe reports that "Wellwood wins battle of the bulge" See page 7, post 163 on this thread for the update.


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09-21-2008, 10:04 PM
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I still think the Leafs should have kept him, and perhaps have him as a "special project" He does have the potential, just needs to get past this bump he's stuck on.

Assign a personal trainer to work with him at all times. It shouldn't be that hard. I know he has to invest himself to play in this league, but so should the teams....besides the paycheque. Both sides need to be commited.

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To be fair to Wellwood, his injury had him in a cast until the end of July and he'd been doing two-a-day workouts with the Canucks' training staff for seven weeks prior to training camp. He's definitely been working hard towards reaching the necessary level of conditioning, now it's just a question of whether he can maintain that commitment to hit the level he needs to.

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He must have been spending his time "training his mind" as he liked to call it

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if that's true he will need 'till end of October to be in top shape. he wasn't solid before the cast so...

I wish him well, I like Welly

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I really don't think there is any need to laugh at him, afterall he did make it to the NHL, which is no easy task. Even with his laid back attitude towards his workouts, he still does quite well, from the looks of it. As for him being chubby, that may be just how he is, not everyone is 6'5" and built (and successful) it's just want part of the whole puzzle.

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I really don't think there is any need to laugh at him, afterall he did make it to the NHL, which is no easy task. Even with his laid back attitude towards his workouts, he still does quite well, from the looks of it. As for him being chubby, that may be just how he is, not everyone is 6'5" and built (and successful) it's just want part of the whole puzzle.
No, theres definitely reason to laugh. This is a professional. He's no better than a lazy employee. His body is his livelyhood and he obviously doesnt care enough to maintain it.

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Clearly, this is getting blown out of proportion.

Its clear he's been making big strides and thats what counts. Sure, he may not be where he needs to be right now, but he's getting there, and the effort is there, and thats a good sign for him and the Canucks.

I said it before, he has a lot of skill, and if and when he puts fitness and strength at the top of his list, it will elevate his game to a level noone has seen.

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No, theres definitely reason to laugh. This is a professional. He's no better than a lazy employee. His body is his livelyhood and he obviously doesnt care enough to maintain it.
Just because he isn't or atleast what people percieive him to be, in the "best shape of his life" doesn't mean it's going to affect his game on the ice. Don't get me wrong, I konw you have to be in great shape to surive out there, and every little bit helps, but maybe that's just how his body is. This isn't the first this has been said about him, I remember reading this about him earlier on in his career that he was this way. And as I said before, he still made it to the NHL, so he there is something there other then his body, to keep him going in this game.

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No, theres definitely reason to laugh. This is a professional. He's no better than a lazy employee. His body is his livelyhood and he obviously doesnt care enough to maintain it.

You should read the whole article, in no way he has been lazy as he has been committed to working out with Canucks trainer twice a day. Gillis and Vignuealt praised his progress in such short time and are willing to continue until he is in elite form.

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Hahaha...let it begin?

what did we get for him??? oh yeah... icetime Haha.

at least we got the better of the two wellwoods *knocks on wood*

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He's a unmotivated fatty.

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Willie Mitchell was on the Team 1040 yesterday, (now I'm paraphrasing) and when asked about his biggest surprise on the first day of camp he said Kyle Wellwood. He said this guy has skills and he makes everyone on the ice with him better. He did mention his work ethic had been in question, and he still has a ways to go, but that he looked good out there, and he was excited to have him on his team. Now for aq coaches comments, based on Welly's past, a coach will never let him know he has done enough, as Welly will always need extrinsic motivation to stay in shape. Imagine what kind of player Welly could be if he were motivated enough to stay in shape all the time. Unfortunately for him, he will probably need to be moved from team to team over his career to create that motivation. There probably won't be too many long term contracts.

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Leafs should have handled his situation a little better, really forcing him to start working out more. I don't understand why they didn't try to grind it into his head.

We'll see how he does in the West, he will probably be quite successful.

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"His commitment to conditioning and being a professional athlete probably wasn't where it needed to be for him to have success," said Vigneault. "His test results showed from early July (to training camp) significant improvements. That being said, it's still not NHL calibre."

So, it appears as if Mr. Wellwood is still battling the bulge.

It this a surprise to anyone? Is there anyone out there who still thinks Cliff should have signed him to that 997k offer sheet?
He will get better with Peter Twist around him.

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He will get better with Peter Twist around him.
I'm scared to imagine Kyle doing one of Peter's plyometric workouts. Tsunami anyone?

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Just because he isn't or atleast what people percieive him to be, in the "best shape of his life" doesn't mean it's going to affect his game on the ice. Don't get me wrong, I konw you have to be in great shape to surive out there, and every little bit helps, but maybe that's just how his body is. This isn't the first this has been said about him, I remember reading this about him earlier on in his career that he was this way. And as I said before, he still made it to the NHL, so he there is something there other then his body, to keep him going in this game.
Your body reflects your conditioning program or effort you put into it.
He's been hampered by injuries but you have to think that being waived would motivate him to redeem himself.If after being physically able to withstand a rigorous fitness routine for 6 months or so Wellwood still gets a failing fitness grade theres no excuse.I'm not the biggest Wellwood fan but i fully expect his approach to preparing himself physically will improve and his career will be salvaged.

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He's an unmotivated fatty.


Id say so too, it's brutal, he had a decent amount of skill but never conditioned to get faster.

Not fun to watch him play sometimes.

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I think the Vancouver Canucks will get the last laugh.

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at least we got the better of the two wellwoods *knocks on wood*

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Welly is a steve sullivan type player and will have a breakthrough season just to show the leafs they made a mistake for not signing him. He has the skill to be in the nhl for years to come. We should have signed him!

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Clearly, this is getting blown out of proportion.

Its clear he's been making big strides and thats what counts. Sure, he may not be where he needs to be right now, but he's getting there, and the effort is there, and thats a good sign for him and the Canucks.

I said it before, he has a lot of skill, and if and when he puts fitness and strength at the top of his list, it will elevate his game to a level noone has seen.
well said.

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Id say so too, it's brutal, he had a decent amount of skill but never conditioned to get faster.

Not fun to watch him play sometimes.
yet other times he was really fun to watch. Go figure.

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  • Kyle Wellwood suffered the first main training-camp injury Sunday, a severely bruised ego after Alain Vigneault criticized his conditioning.
  • "His commitment to conditioning and being a professional athlete probably wasn't where it needed to be for him to have success," said Vigneault. "His test results showed from early July (to training camp) significant improvements. That being said, it's still not NHL calibre."
  • "The day that stops, it (roster-spot battle) stops."
  • Reminded that Wellwood didn't have a single penalty minute last season - and has only 14 in his career - Vigneault took the high road instead of throwing Wellwood a little further under the bus.
  • "I don't know how you can do that," chuckled the coach. "It might indicate he keeps his feet moving and his stick is on the ice."
  • "I know that part (conditioning) needs to get better," he admitted. "There are some benchmarks you have to hit and I'm trying to get there.
What the hell is going on with this kid?

Wasn't not being resigned enough of a motivation. It seems like there was some truth the whole conditioning rumours this past summer.

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I wish Welly the best, but he would've never gotten the chance to prove himself with Wilson as the head coach. He's a defensive liability and would drive Wilson nuts with his drop passes at the blue line.

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It's improving and looks like it's on the right road. He was hurt, but has been working hard since. It'd be one thing if he came to camp in the same shape, but he hasn't, he's been improving and working hard this offseason, so it looks like he is on the right track.

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