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09-24-2008, 03:04 PM
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dubinsky expectation?

he seem's to be in great shape, how many points he will bring us this year???

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75 GP 24 goals 32 assist 56 pts. second line center

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09-24-2008, 03:13 PM
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i think there will be a dip in his point production. Jagr was the leading scorer on the team last year and not having a guy like that to dish to will probably have a negative effect

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i think there will be a dip in his point production. Jagr was the leading scorer on the team last year and not having a guy like that to dish to will probably have a negative effect
Doubt it. I bet Dubinsky puts up close to 60 points this year. Won't break 60, but close to it, I think. You really think he puts up less than 40 points this year?

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he seem's to be in great shape, how many points he will bring us this year???

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75 GP 24 goals 32 assist 56 pts. second line center
While difficult to judge from preseason games, he's looked pretty damn impressive so far this year, so I think your prediction is a pretty good one. If I'm going to be optimistic about him, that's about the point total I'd put him at this year. Might play more games though, so the PPG average will come down

edit: one of the problems with assuming he'll put up fewer points than last year, is that he hardly put up any points until like December last year. This year, he's not a rookie and is more prepared to hit the ground running. That's definitely a big plus when it comes to matching his previous production

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if he is able to sustain the play i have seen from him in the preseason, i will go out on a ledge and say he will be around 70 points, give or take 5

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riddle me this: when was the last time a third line player put up 60 points? because of much as he might be more than that, the chances of him usurping Gomez and Drury are slim and none.

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09-24-2008, 03:35 PM
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riddle me this: when was the last time a third line player put up 60 points? because of much as he might be more than that, the chances of him usurping Gomez and Drury are slim and none.
Dubinsky's not really a "third line" player. He's very likely to find himself playing 2nd line + PP + PK for at least a good portion of the season. I think it would be astonishing if Dubinsky played 82 games and put up less than 45 points. I think his ceiling this season, even on 2nd line + PP stops at around 60 and expect to see him somewhere in between. A decline in production from last season, in 82 games? That would certainly be considered a regression for Dubinsky; I don't think there are many who think he needs Jagr to break 40 points anymore.

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Something like 20G 30A I think. It all depends how his line mates play, because he's definitely not going to be the one holding back a line.

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If he winds up as a second line center with Drury as a wing, 25-35-60. If he stays on the third line 20-20-40.

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riddle me this: when was the last time a third line player put up 60 points? because of much as he might be more than that, the chances of him usurping Gomez and Drury are slim and none.
Matt Cullen nearly put up a point per game last season

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if he got 55 points this season i would be happy and consider it a positive season for him....

although i cant help but think he will put up around 60-65 points just with the confidence the kid has and the skills he shows game-in and game-out

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Whatever line he is on, if he gets ice time, he'll get his points. I'll say 60 +/- 5 points (goals).

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the op isn't far off, in my opinion.

50-60 is very realistic...i'm sure he will see pp time

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20-25 G, 30-35 A

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the op isn't far off, in my opinion.

50-60 is very realistic...i'm sure he will see pp time
i would be VERY upset if he didn't

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09-24-2008, 05:32 PM
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Depends on where he is.

Top-six..... 55.

Bottom-six.... 45-50.

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Last year he was 14+26

ESPN has him at 17+30 this year, for 47.

I think thats about right. I don't see him surpassing 60, and honestly not even 50. Unless someone moves to a wing (Drury, Gomez) or he does, I just dont see it.

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09-24-2008, 10:29 PM
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what's the lines on his W/L in fights? I say 0 for 10 on the season.

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09-25-2008, 05:13 AM
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I guess it all depends about how quickly Renney takes his head out of his ass and 1) stops considering Voros anything more than a 4th line player, b) realizes that Zherdev does not fit next to Gomez and Naslund, and 3) puts Callahan back with Dawes and Drury. By mid-season, as per his track record, Renney will stumble upon the correct line combinations, whereby Dubi and Zherdev are placed on a line together, and suddenly, the offense will quick. Of course, 75% of Ranger fandom will wonder what the hell took him so long, much like the last two seasons.

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09-25-2008, 07:11 AM
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Well I think the above is why he may not do as well as last yr.............I mean going from Jagr line to Voros and Callahan likely,eeek...........throw Fritche instead of Voros although it is understandable given the whole "size up front" concern

Voros is only 27 and scored a bit last yr so u never know, would be a steal of a deal if he comes out scoring as well as taking the body

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09-25-2008, 08:01 AM
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Considering what I see..

Considering what I see....

Gomez is expendable.

Trade him away.

Without Gomer

Naslund - Dubinsky - Zherdev
Nedved - Drury - Callahan
Dawes - Fritche - Prucha
Voros - Betts - Korp.

If your going to keep Gomez.

Naslund - Gomez - Zherdev
Nedved - Drury - Callahan
Dawes - Dubi - Fritche
Voros - Betts - Prucha

Just some combinations...but to be honest, something has got to give. Someone will be traded this year. And yes, I put Neved in at left wing, which he has played before, because if he keeps playing like he has, there is no reason he shouldn't be on the squad, and considering his production so far would be a steal at 1mil a year considering we gave Naslund 6+ and he has no points so far.

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09-25-2008, 08:34 AM
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If he winds up as a second line center with Drury as a wing, 25-35-60. If he stays on the third line 20-20-40.
This. He'll get 50 give or take, depending on if he gets PP time and plays on the second line or not.

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Considering what I see....

Gomez is expendable.

Trade him away.

Without Gomer
Yeah, we're having offensive troubles already, so let's just go and trade away our #1 center.

Great idea.

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09-25-2008, 09:14 AM
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Yeah, we're having offensive troubles already, so let's just go and trade away our #1 center.

Great idea.
I think it depends on your philosophy-- if the future is now then we shouldn't have dumped Jagr in the first place. If the future is 3-5 years from now its not a bad idea to give Dubinsky more ice time because I really think he can be a star given his talents. If anyone were to be a trade candidate though, it would be Drury as he doesn't seem to fit offensively with anyone on this team, but then again Drury started slow last year and picked it up when it mattered down the stretch.

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09-25-2008, 09:58 AM
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Im just saying...

I'm just saying we have a very deep club right now. Trading someone in their prime, who is making more money then they are worth and moving the younger players who have proved to be capable is a viable option. (Don't talk point comparison, Dawes and Dubi didn't get top or 2nd line duty till mid season)

We can't move Drury because of his no trade clause, and he and Prucha/Dawes need a real setup man. Enter Nedved, Dubi or Gomez.

So we have real viable options, the question is what do we do with them, and when do we decide that enough is enough on parts that we could get rid of for some good compensation and still field a servicable , competitive team.

Mark my words, before the season is over, Drury will be moved to wing, or Gomer will be traded.

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