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09-24-2008, 07:49 PM
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J-Bo for Staal Trade

The Penguins are hurting on D with Whitney out long term with a foot injury and Gonchar with a seperated shoulder. Staal is being tried at wing, but wants to play first or second line center, except that is not going to happen with Crosby and Malkin in front of him. On the other hand, the Panthers have too many quality D-men and an unhappy J-Bo, who wants to play on a winning team. The solution is a major trade between the 2 teams.

The Panthers trade J-Bo, Mattias and a first in 2010 for Staal, and Whitney (injured) . The Penguins obtain a young, future franchise D-man in J-Bo, who solves their D problem, a top center prospect in Mattias, and a first. The Panthers get a young, potential No.1 center and an excellent young, but injured D-man, who is signed long term for whom they can afford to wait even if he is out the entire season.

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09-24-2008, 07:52 PM
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The Pens would do this, the Panthers would not.

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Wow. Staal isn't worth this much.

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Staal is being tried at wing, but wants to play first or second line center, except that is not going to happen with Crosby and Malkin in front of him.
Never assume or you'll make an ass out of you and me.

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09-24-2008, 07:58 PM
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Matthias on his own could be as good as Staal. JBo for Staal is more than fair.

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09-24-2008, 08:01 PM
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Yeah, hell no. Jordan Staal is WAY overrated.

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Matthias on his own could be as good as Staal. JBo for Staal is more than fair.
Not when Jaybo is heading towards UFA it isn't.

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09-24-2008, 08:41 PM
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Not when Jaybo is heading towards UFA it isn't.
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09-24-2008, 08:44 PM
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I think the Pens pass on this. They have enough money tied into their core players and don't need to spend the fortune needed to keep JBo. Staal means more to the Pens and he's cheaper and does what he does that the Pens need. valuewise it's pretty fair, but I dont think these two teams are real trading partners

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09-24-2008, 09:37 PM
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Nah. Staal hasn't ever, as the OP implied, said he wanted to play only in a scoring center role, and he has proven to make a very impressive duo with Malkin while playing on the wing. He's reprised that role this pre-season with much success, and we need scoring wingers.

The d situation for the Pens is a relatively short-term one. There's no need to go trading Staal and Whitney (on a bargain long-term deal) for a UFA J-Bo plus picks and prospects.

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Matthias on his own could be as good as Staal.
That's the thing about prospects...they could be as good as anybody. Gilbert Brule looked like he could become a franchise talent.

Then he hit the NHL.

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09-24-2008, 10:46 PM
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I think it's a good deal, but that would hinder on Mattias being able to play wing. I don't know a whole lot about him. If he can't play wing I'd like to see him swapped out for Ellerby due to the fact the Pens would be facing the same problem of a top 6 center being put on the 3rd or 4th line because he is sitting behind 2 generational talents

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Yeah, hell no. Jordan Staal is WAY overrated.
He's anything but overrated.

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Matthias on his own could be as good as Staal. JBo for Staal is more than fair.
Let's see if Matthias scores 29 goals.....with being on the #1PK unit.

EDIT- Saw Staal today against Toronto........He looks in good shape and I'm expecting 50 point season from him. He's yet to be 20..Most prospects don't even make the NHL, let alone be on their team's #1PK unit and score 29 goals in their rookie season.

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Staal got 29 points with Crosby injured playing as the 2nd line centre. He wasn't playing against the oppositions top shutdown line and couldn't pull out over 30 points. He is a goo d utility player but I think it might even be possible that Matthias will get more points than Staal.

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The Pens would do this, the Panthers would not.
Why not?!? They need forwards and it doesn't look like they're going to get B back unless they panthers have a good season... and i can't see that happening.

It's the Panthers who're getting the deal here. Staal will be UFA after this year. B will be UFa so he can screw off if he doesn't want to be a penguin.

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Not when Jaybo is heading towards UFA it isn't.
Did I miss the part where the Pens locked Staal up long term? I would want nothing to do with Whitney. So far to me he strikes me as a powerplay specialist. Matthias looks to be a very good young player, and Jbo is Jbo. They could probably get a player better then Staal, or at least a better prospect at the deadline.

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Staal got 29 points with Crosby injured playing as the 2nd line centre. He wasn't playing against the oppositions top shutdown line and couldn't pull out over 30 points. He is a goo d utility player but I think it might even be possible that Matthias will get more points than Staal.
nevermind, misread


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Good Lord, Matthias, Bouw and a First for Staal and Whitney?

Absolute Joke! Bouwmeester alone should be able to bring back Staal and Whitney (if he was signed that is.) Even being unsigned, Matthias, Bouwmeester, and a 1st could bring back Marion Gaborik or more on a return. Put down that good stuff. Matthias is going to be a stud this year already, possibly even forcing Weiss out of the 2nd line center slot (unlikely but we'll see) and Bouwmeester is a star already........and you want a first?

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Matthias isn't going anywhere, Martin really likes what he sees in him and Frolik.

Bouw could bring in Staal and I'd be happy with that trade. Bouw would probably like being on the Penguins, though, his contract would likely tie up a huge portion of what's left after Malkin and Crosby's contracts. However, it seems that Martin really feels that there's chance of re-signing Bouw long-term. I don't see Bouw going anywhere til the deadline at the earliest, unless it's a really good deal.

LOL, Matthias, Bouw, and a 1st better bring back more than Staal and an injured player.

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09-25-2008, 02:03 AM
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The Penguins are hurting on D with Whitney out long term with a foot injury and Gonchar with a seperated shoulder. Staal is being tried at wing, but wants to play first or second line center, except that is not going to happen with Crosby and Malkin in front of him. On the other hand, the Panthers have too many quality D-men and an unhappy J-Bo, who wants to play on a winning team. The solution is a major trade between the 2 teams.

The Panthers trade J-Bo, Mattias and a first in 2010 for Staal, and Whitney (injured) . The Penguins obtain a young, future franchise D-man in J-Bo, who solves their D problem, a top center prospect in Mattias, and a first. The Panthers get a young, potential No.1 center and an excellent young, but injured D-man, who is signed long term for whom they can afford to wait even if he is out the entire season.
I just have one question, where did you come up with the idea that Staal wants to play 1st or 2nd line center? He probably would like it, but what center wouldn't like it, but there are only 30 players in the world who are going to be the first line center on an NHL team.

Staal has a very big and important role on the Penguins and he has a chance to play on one of the very few teams that has to be considered a contender for the Stanley Cup, something I think very few players would be unhappy with.

I would think this trade, if anything, would make Staal unhappy even if he was the 1st line center on the Panthers.

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Did I miss the part where the Pens locked Staal up long term? I would want nothing to do with Whitney. So far to me he strikes me as a powerplay specialist. Matthias looks to be a very good young player, and Jbo is Jbo. They could probably get a player better then Staal, or at least a better prospect at the deadline.
You didn't miss anything about being locked up long term but you evidently missed the bit where Staal is what 7 years away from being a UFA, no way do the Panthers get somebody the caliber of Staal for Jaybo at the deadline. Hossa got Esposito, Armstrong and Christensen not a single one of those guys is anything close to Staal in terms of accomplishments or potential. Without Jaybo being locked up no freakin way is he worth Staal and I absolutely love Jaybo. Also note I was not rejecting the initial deal in the post you quoted, my post you quoted was in response to the guy who said Jaybo alone could get Staal.

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Matthias isn't going anywhere, Martin really likes what he sees in him and Frolik.

Bouw could bring in Staal and I'd be happy with that trade. Bouw would probably like being on the Penguins, though, his contract would likely tie up a huge portion of what's left after Malkin and Crosby's contracts. However, it seems that Martin really feels that there's chance of re-signing Bouw long-term. I don't see Bouw going anywhere til the deadline at the earliest, unless it's a really good deal.

LOL, Matthias, Bouw, and a 1st better bring back more than Staal and an injured player.
No impending UFA can bring in Staal he is just much too valued by the Pens to be moved for a guy where there is any possibility of that guy just walking after the playoffs. Yes you can conjure up theories that Jaybo would like it in Pittsburgh and he probably would but Hossa by most accounts liked it in Pittsburgh as well. You do not move Staal when that risk is their the organization loves this guy.

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Thanks. I thought that I would just throw the proposal out there for comment. It seems that no one is much enthused by it. Panther fans mostly regard it as overpayment and Pens fans mostly regard it that it as underpayment.

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Thanks. I thought that I would just throw the proposal out there for comment. It seems that no one is much enthused by it. Panther fans mostly regard it as overpayment and Pens fans mostly regard it that it as underpayment.
As far as proposals involving Staal go yours is very very very far from the worst

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The Pens should take this and run to the hills and for their lives.

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