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09-29-2008, 11:56 PM
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If Staal is so overrated here why does every team think they can get him for a borderline third liner and a second round pick? Staal is shat on more than any other player here.

Trust us, we'd prefer if you'd just stop telling us how bad he is and stop making proposals involving him.
Perhaps they think it is of equal value

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Thank you. My point was that the Pens are not gonna go shopping him, nor should they. If a GM wants to talk about a trade involving Staal, they'd better be prepared to overpay.

I think that's where the "Staal is overrated" cliche came from. I'm not trying to imply that his value is actually that high, just that we have no need to trade him unless it's an overpayment. (Hey wasn't that the mantra when all of those crazy Malkin proposals were taking over this board last season?)
I have to agree. Furthermore, the whole phenomenon on this board about trading young players is as ridiculous as it gets. Teams do not trade young players. It just does not happen. The only time it does is when a team is dealing a decent prospect (ie Esposito + stuff for Hossa) to get an amazing player if the team feels like it can win a cup.

The second time I discussed earlier, when a team feels like a young player needs a change of scenario or is just a "bust". Even then, a young player is usually shipped back (ie Brad Boyes for Dennis Wideman).

Usually a player such as Marchant will be traded at this time to get under cap, or third liners and such. At the deadline is when you see the crazy deals, but even then you rarely see youth move. It's mostly decent - good vets being dealt for picks/ boom-bust prospects.

95% of the trades posted on this board have less of a chance happening then Angelina Jolie ****ing me. However, there is a way to stop looking at them, its called the ignore thread option. Or just stop posting in the threads. Most of the time both sides say the trade sucks for their team, or the deal is one sided.

Whatever, continue with the thread, I have a midterm.

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09-30-2008, 12:07 AM
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Oh and just want to add I can't stand when people post threads like Value of: Joe Thornton

Wanna know Joe Thornton's value? Or Crosby's? Or Lidstrom's? A ****ing load of damn good players is their value. Should be the mod's answer to the thread before its closed.

I'm done, I have a midterm.

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09-30-2008, 12:41 AM
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They have been increasingly annoying lately. Nobody seems to be taking the Pens needs into consideration. IF we trade Staal (which is highly unlikely), we will be controlling the negotiations. Staal isn't going to be traded for a stop-gap on defense, so stop trying.

The ONLY ASSET for which Staal would be traded is a decently young, upper-tier scoring winger. This is NOT because Pens fans think he is the 2nd coming of Jesus Christ himself. It's because he fills an extremely pressing need right now, and the only incentive to move him would be to upgrade at the position he fills.

Please take this into consideration next time you think about making a proposal for Jordan Staal.

With that being said, I was thinking maybe we could condense all the rediculous Staal proposals into one thread to save space and hopefully help to focus the conversation. I'll start it off I suppose:

To Nash: Jordan Staal

To PIT: Alex Radulov, Dan Hamhuis
(assuming Radulov returns to the NHL AND the Pens get to talk to him before the trade)

P.S.- Sorry if I came off as a jerk or arrogant. I'm just getting tired of some of these unrealistic proposals that start arguments for no reason. Have a great day

Sure, if in secret Shero convinces Rad to come back without Nashville GM knowing. Imagine that....

UFA (Hossa??? )-Crosby-Radulov

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09-30-2008, 02:50 AM
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Shld've drftd TAvez.
+1

That would be one kick ass team with Toews.

Staal scored 29 goals alright, but he didn't do it alone (i.e he's young and not yet an impact player). Toews is already an impact player that can generate offense himself.

Not many teams are going to trade their No.1 D-man for a non-impact player... even if he has upside.

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09-30-2008, 03:25 AM
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Shld've drftd TAvez.
Way to make a good point in the most retarded way possible.

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09-30-2008, 03:44 AM
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I think that Staal will rebound this season. The trouble with the law and a sophomore slump played a role in his supbar numbers. Pittsburgh just went to the final with one heck of an awesome center depth (Talbot is another goody.) As alluded by some Pens fans, Staal can also play winger which gives Therrien a tactical advantage. I'd hesitate to give up Staal.

Hamhuis is Nashville Dman IIRC. Wouldn't Staal play behind Arnott and Legwand in Nashville? Other than receiving value for Radulov I see no point for Nashville to pull the trigger.

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09-30-2008, 03:47 AM
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You realize all proposals are a waste of time, even if they are fair, because this is the internet and noone here makes these decisions and your mom is a *****.

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You realize all proposals are a waste of time, even if they are fair, because this is the internet and noone here makes these decisions and your mom is a *****.
They are not all a waste of time, some people enjoy discussing trade ideas, they know it is not going to happen in real life but working out a plausible deal between two teams can be an enjoyable process for some people.

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09-30-2008, 04:31 AM
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They have been increasingly annoying lately. Nobody seems to be taking the Pens needs into consideration. IF we trade Staal (which is highly unlikely), we will be controlling the negotiations. Staal isn't going to be traded for a stop-gap on defense, so stop trying.

The ONLY ASSET for which Staal would be traded is a decently young, upper-tier scoring winger. This is NOT because Pens fans think he is the 2nd coming of Jesus Christ himself. It's because he fills an extremely pressing need right now, and the only incentive to move him would be to upgrade at the position he fills.

Please take this into consideration next time you think about making a proposal for Jordan Staal.

With that being said, I was thinking maybe we could condense all the rediculous Staal proposals into one thread to save space and hopefully help to focus the conversation. I'll start it off I suppose:

To Nash: Jordan Staal

To PIT: Alex Radulov, Dan Hamhuis
(assuming Radulov returns to the NHL AND the Pens get to talk to him before the trade)

P.S.- Sorry if I came off as a jerk or arrogant. I'm just getting tired of some of these unrealistic proposals that start arguments for no reason. Have a great day
You talk about increasingly annoying proposels for Jordan Staal.
You than mention the pens will be controlling the negotiations'
Then you come out with one of the most lop-sided proposals for Staal every made on this board in favour for the Pens and you want us to take your post seriously. Get real.

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09-30-2008, 04:43 AM
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Radulov >> Staal

Staal is ridiculously overated on these boards. I'll wait till he has a 50 point year.

However, I do agree that the Penguins do not need to trade him. No team in their right mind deals a 5th overall pick until they are actually deemed a "bust" and another team picks that player up in hopes that the player picks his game up.
He scored 29 goals and put up 42pts his rookie year when he was a winger for pretty that entire season. Now the following season he is converted back to center and put on the 3rd line. Now you show me how many 3rd liners in the NHL score 50+ points. This isn't the 80's.

Jordan is a finisher, he can score goals but he is not a playmaker at all. While some guys explode on to the scene, Jordan made enough of a splash to show that he has the tools and then developed other parts of his game when his offensive game suffered as a 3rd liner. Which shows me that Jordan is an evolving player.

On the 3rd line, he will end up being a defensive specialist that will put up 30-50pts eventually, on a team where he gets top 6 minutes, he could do much more offensively given the right linemates and the top 6 minutes. His brother Eric also didn't impress anyone and they were comparing him to Ron Francis in his rookie year which was unfair for Ron and Eric to be honest. So Eric then reaches the 2nd year of his young career and the lockout occurs. Eric gets his chance to develop his game while the league is in a labour dispute. What does this accomplish? Eric reviews his rookie year and works on his game, builds confidence, gets his game together and his 3rd year he hits 100pts. I think like Eric, Jordan desperately needed that 2nd year but given his age or whatever reason it was that at this late in the night i can't fully remember, he couldn't be sent down to get that confidence booster. Some can refute that or agree, i don't care - that's what i think and i'm sticking to it.

See the thing about this is that us Pens fans can't win in a situation like this, you all and i mean all the guys here that are saying Staal is overrated would do this.


Jordan scores 60pts on Malkin's wing: HFboard members response - "Yeah, playing with Malkin he did, just another Ryan Malone if you ask me"

Jordan puts up 40pts on the 3rd line as a centerman again: Hfboard members response - "Yeah, he's nothing, just a 40pt player at best on a 3rd line"

There is nothing he can do besides playing at the level Malkin and Crosby do that will satisfy people enough to stop calling him overrated. That's just sad and well, common on message boards about sports.

Oh well...


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09-30-2008, 08:45 AM
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Can you explain this?

Radulov has never scored as many goals in a season as Staal did when he was EIGHTEEN YEARS OLD.

Certainly you can't be arguing that Radulov is >> than Staal on the defensive end...

So...what's your logic?
Doesn't the >> explain it all? It shows very astute hockey knowledge if you ask me.

Anyhoo...

As another poster alluded to, Staal would most likely be the 3rd centre in Nashville, for the time being. Legwand, for better or worse, serves the same purpose and was recently given a nice extension as well. While Staal could be moved to the wing, I would be certain any team looking at acquiring him, would be valuing him as a centre 1st and foremost.

With Radulov's antics aside, his value in comparison to Staal on this current Pens team, is far less.

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1st, I am tired of Staal proposals and just don't want to see them at all anymore.

2nd. Radulovs value is no where near as high as you people think. No GM is going to waste a valuable asset on a guy who clearly isnt stable and has shown he'll leave in the middle of his contract. Personally I feel he should rot back in Russia and not be given another chance. People need to be held accountable for their actions and it's a horrible message being sent if they allow him back with open arms. I certainly don't want my team involved with this ******* in any way.

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09-30-2008, 09:17 AM
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Why would the Pens trade Staal for a winger when they are playing him at wing this year?

Has anybody ever stopped to think that maybe Staal could be the young scoring winger the Pens want?

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Still not want to trade Staa for some defensive help??? Hmmm???

How about a nice young Krajicek plus speedy forward Pettinger for Staal?

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09-30-2008, 11:05 AM
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If Radulov was coming back to the NHL, he'd be worth more than Staal...IMO.
IF radulov comes back, there are very few GMs that would give up assets for a player that can bolt at any second. That should be obvious to anyone.

Even at full value, I dont think Radulov brings back as much as staal anyways. But radulov's value right now is like an old Ford Pinto: why would anyone pay full price for something that can blow up in their face at any second?

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Still not want to trade Staa for some defensive help??? Hmmm???

I think you mean Stall.

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Still not want to trade Staa for some defensive help??? Hmmm???

How about a nice young Krajicek plus speedy forward Pettinger for Staal?
We would want REAL defensive help. As in a shutdown D, not another 5-6 type guy. But we'd want a winger more.

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*shrugs*

People mistakenly believe that he is underrated right now because he scored fewer points last year than the year before and scoring is everything thing here at HF, followed closely by what have you done for me lately. Almost every team in the league other than the Pens is desperate for a franchise center to build around, and they mistakenly believe that they can pry one away because he plays behind Malkin and Crosby and scored a few less points last year.

Believe me, everyone here knows Staals defensive abilities, the value a player like that has, and what he could become, hence all the trade proposals. Let them have their wet dreams. Everyone here deep down knows that none of these are close to reality and that Shero is never going to trade Staal absent a return that would suprise some here. What would suprise some here, but not really, is that some teams would pay it if Staal ever really did become available. I give Staal about a 50/50 chance of staying a Pen long term. He certainly is with them until he approaches UFA status as he is too valuable in his role, almost irreplacable, and the Pens want to challenge for a cup now. But after? I could see him being put up for bids if he wants too much as a UFA. I could also see at least 25 teams putting in serious offers for him.

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You talk about increasingly annoying proposels for Jordan Staal.
You than mention the pens will be controlling the negotiations'
Then you come out with one of the most lop-sided proposals for Staal every made on this board in favour for the Pens and you want us to take your post seriously. Get real.
It's the only Staal proposal that has favored the Pens on this board. I honestly could care less if they took my proposal seriously, I just wanted everyone to know what the Pens actually needed and that everything else was a waste of time and started petty arguments.

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So we trade our number 1 d-man and a player you scores 20 goals easily for Staal?

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Radulov >> Staal

Staal is ridiculously overated on these boards. I'll wait till he has a 50 point year.

However, I do agree that the Penguins do not need to trade him. No team in their right mind deals a 5th overall pick until they are actually deemed a "bust" and another team picks that player up in hopes that the player picks his game up.
Jordan Staal
Draft: 2006 - 1st round (2nd overall) by the Pittsburgh Penguins

Radulov NHL career high 26 goals - -- - 2nd season
Staal NHL career high 29 goals - - - rookie season

Staal NHL records:
- Staal set NHL records by becoming the youngest player in league history to score two shorthanded goals in one game and the youngest player to score on a penalty shot.

- Staal scored his first NHL career hat trick and thus became the youngest player in NHL history to score a hat trick at 18 years and 153 days

- record for most shorthanded goals by a rookie (7).

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Still not want to trade Staa for some defensive help??? Hmmm???

How about a nice young Krajicek plus speedy forward Pettinger for Staal?
How about his: Get lost

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Jordan Staal
Draft: 2006 - 1st round (2nd overall) by the Pittsburgh Penguins

Radulov NHL career high 26 goals - -- - 2nd season
Staal NHL career high 29 goals - - - rookie season

Staal NHL records:
- Staal set NHL records by becoming the youngest player in league history to score two shorthanded goals in one game and the youngest player to score on a penalty shot.

- Staal scored his first NHL career hat trick and thus became the youngest player in NHL history to score a hat trick at 18 years and 153 days

- record for most shorthanded goals by a rookie (7).
So a large portion of his goals are scored on breakaways? He isn't a player who is able to make space and control the puck in the offensive zone and become as good a player as Radulov?

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