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09-29-2008, 10:14 AM
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RUMOR (EK)Rangers Expected to Make Move

Rangers are expected to make a move for a proven sniper in exchange for some prospects, because they have too many playmakers.....Per Eklund's Site

....what do you guys think? Personally i think it could happen, maybee even with prucha being scratched that could hint something?

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09-29-2008, 10:16 AM
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This is not a news report (title has been edited).

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I've been expecting this for months now. Way too many 3rd liners...short one 2nd liner. Whether we can make it happen is a different story. As others have said, you can't give a lot of junk for talent...and then it has to work cap wise. Guess we'll see.

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Again people, discuss the rumor, not the source please.

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NOTE: if you want to discuss the RUMOR, go for it. If you want to discuss the source, take it elsewhere. The ENTIRE summer has already been spent discussing it's credibility.

I don't see a lot value in these "extra" players. Certainly not enough to bring in a "proven sniper" without giving up something you can't afford to give up. Someone probably will be dealt, but I expect they will be given away for picks, which seems about right.

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NOTE: if you want to discuss the RUMOR, go for it. If you want to discuss the source, take it elsewhere. The ENTIRE summer has already been spent discussing it's credibility.

I don't see a lot value in these "extra" players. Certainly not enough to bring in a "proven sniper" without giving up something you can't afford to give up. Someone probably will be dealt, but I expect they will be given away for picks, which seems about right.
Agreed. Sounds like a typical quantity for quality move. Which never works — especially when you are dealing with a cap.

And the timing is strange as the team is in Europe.

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Gaborik?

Just kidding. But yeah, I would like to see some kind of move to adress that. I'm not really in the mood to see everyone passing to each other the whole game.

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Agreed. Sounds like a typical quantity for quality move. Which never works especially when you are dealing with a cap.

And the timing is strange as the team is in Europe.
Hey, I just traded Shanny straight up for Turris in my NHL 09 Rangers Dynasty! Kyle is doing quite well for us!

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No surpise. Sather loaded up on bottom 6 guys to see if someone could make the jump. He's looking to find that under valued guy in a Cap restricted market. Now he probably has to do something and GIVE to get.

But who is available as a true UPgrade to the top 6? Its not easy to pry real bona fide talent away from other teams with prospects and guys who didnt cut it on your roster. Sather will likely have to roll the dice on talented player with "issues" of some kind.

Martin Havlat anyone?

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No surpise. Sather loaded up on bottom 6 guys to see if someone could make the jump. He's looking to find that under valued guy in a Cap restricted market. Now he probably has to do something and GIVE to get.
Eh, that assumes he feels like he to address the issue right now. It's not beyond Sather and Renney to try every possible option they have in a hole before they decide to something about, or continue to do nothing. And honestly, it's not possible to fill every need with your ideal candidate, nor is it appropriate for a team at this stage of it's makeover to do so.

I'm still not convinced it's a personnel issue either. A strategic change in the way some of these players approach their on ice roles could make a real difference for some of them.

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Eh, that assumes he feels like he to address the issue right now. It's not beyond Sather and Renney to try every possible option they have in a hole before they decide to something about, or continue to do nothing. And honestly, it's not possible to fill every need with your ideal candidate, nor is it appropriate for a team at this stage of it's makeover to do so.

I'm still not convinced it's a personnel issue either. A strategic change in the way some of these players approach their on ice roles could make a real difference for some of them.

I agree. Unless the Hawks really are offering Havlat with all his "issues" for Prucha + choice prospect. Id think about it.

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No surpise. Sather loaded up on bottom 6 guys to see if someone could make the jump. He's looking to find that under valued guy in a Cap restricted market. Now he probably has to do something and GIVE to get.

But who is available as a true UPgrade to the top 6? Its not easy to pry real bona fide talent away from other teams with prospects and guys who didnt cut it on your roster. Sather will likely have to roll the dice on talented player with "issues" of some kind.

Martin Havlat anyone?
I am totally cool with this........have been thinking for a while that they can package some bottom end guys.............

Prucha is still valuable regardless of what some people say.........Betts is a real good checking forward with value..............then they can also move some prospects that do have potential.......Jessiman , Moore,etc...............

This is Ek rumor but makes sense

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Havlat makes 6 million so I don't think he's an option...

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Of course they need another top 6 scorer.

I just dont know how and who they would trade to make it happen, and fit it under the cap.

Unless the traded some combination of Prucha and Dawes/Callahan and/or Defensman to clear space, and then waived Rissmiller, i dont see getting back a sure fire top 6 player. And then youve depleted some of the young core. Plus, that top 6 player will most likely be in his walk year or RFA, otherwise why would they let him go?

Then you have about 10 RFA you potentially have to resign in the summer including Zherdev and Dubinsky. I dont get how this would work. Unless you traded a guy like Sanguinetti + someone with a notable contract for a top young guy and has a certainty of cost for the next 2 or 3 years... where the hell do you find that though?

There have been dozens of rumors suggesting this and other ludicrous trades, i just think its all hogwash.

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I agree. Unless the Hawks really are offering Havlat with all his "issues" for Prucha + choice prospect. Id think about it.
It would be an intriguing proposal, but health issues aren't something that ever just go away. You assume Havlat is going to miss half the season, which only creates a bigger hole in your lineup.

Prucha is one of those guys who can write his own ticket if he keeps doing what he did in the limited preseason action I saw. Adopt a more Zherdev-like strategy, worry primarily about generating offense even if it means shirking some of your defensive duties and maximize your value to the team where they need it most.

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Havlat makes 6 million so I don't think he's an option...
Regardless of salary, I dont think that would help. The guy is just so pron to injury it would definitly be taking a step in the wrong direction.

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I am totally cool with this........have been thinking for a while that they can package some bottom end guys.............

Prucha is still valuable regardless of what some people say.........Betts is a real good checking forward with value..............then they can also move some prospects that do have potential.......Jessiman , Moore,etc...............

This is Ek rumor but makes sense
We need a forward with actual scoring talent. Im sorry but Prucha, Betts, Moore, Speciman are garbage.

Why do we always think we can get away with giving garbage and getting a golden return?

Prucha is the only one with any trade value. If you want a proven NHL scorer... A Sanguenetti/Delzotto/Anisimov/Cherepanov/ is almost sure to be apart of it.



So Garbage (Prucha/Moore) and then Sanguenetti and a pick could land us something. Quantity, a player of actual quality, and a 1st/2nd round pick.

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Agreed. Sounds like a typical quantity for quality move. Which never works especially when you are dealing with a cap.

And the timing is strange as the team is in Europe.
Yes, this.

Also, who are all these "playmakers" on the team? Gomez and Zherdev are the only ones I can consider playmakers

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Yes, this.

Also, who are all these "playmakers" on the team? Gomez and Zherdev are the only ones I can consider playmakers
Zherdev is hardly a playmaker, more of a finisher IMO. He only makes plays FOR HIMSELF.

Dubinsky is a play maker. Can hold on to the puck, protect it, and then dish it off when needed. Gomez, a play maker.

Naslund has not looked like a scorer in pre-season with all that ****ing passing.

Redden plain and simple play maker.

We need a scorer.

If it means trading Sanguenetti, Anisimov, Prucha and a high draft choice then Im all for it.

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We need a scorer.

If it means trading Sanguenetti, Anisimov, Prucha and a high draft choice then Im all for it.

Thats a lot to offer imo. Who are they getting in return for that package?

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Agreed. Sounds like a typical quantity for quality move. Which never works especially when you are dealing with a cap.

And the timing is strange as the team is in Europe.
Granted it doesnt always work but it would benefit the Rangers vastly here.

Look at all their extras.

Rissmiller, Voros, Sjostrom, Prucha, Betts... Package up 2 or 3 of them with a 1st/2nd and Sanguenetti/DZ/AA/CHERE

And you have yourself a proven scorer.

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I'm not sure how the Rangers can afford a top six sniper, unless there's one out there who's cheap now but whose contract is up at the end of the season. The rumor that they're looking for this winger is believable given the fact that they can't seem to score more than two goals and I'm not convinced that Renney's first option is to move Drury to win to solve the problem, which is what may cause a trade like this. The Rangers do have a bunch of assets, but would you want to actually trade those assets? I do wonder if Del Zotto's showing makes Sangs available for such a trade (yeah, the showing was limited and a lot can happen, but you still have to give to get).

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Granted it doesnt always work but it would benefit the Rangers vastly here.

Look at all their extras.

Rissmiller, Voros, Sjostrom, Prucha, Betts... Package up 2 or 3 of them with a 1st/2nd and Sanguenetti/DZ/AA/CHERE

And you have yourself a proven scorer.
OK. Who?

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Zherdev is hardly a playmaker, more of a finisher IMO. He only makes plays FOR HIMSELF.

Dubinsky is a play maker. Can hold on to the puck, protect it, and then dish it off when needed. Gomez, a play maker.

Naslund has not looked like a scorer in pre-season with all that ****ing passing.

Redden plain and simple play maker.

We need a scorer.

If it means trading Sanguenetti, Anisimov, Prucha and a high draft choice then Im all for it.
no no no and no.............

I have said this before and people think i am on crack but I think a Prucha, Betts, Jessiman, Potter and pick package gets a good top 6 player

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Great Dubi...

I think you're being fair in your offer, but cap space needs to be cleared and at the same time, I would hope that if the Rangers made a move they don't move young assets for a guy who's not signed next year and he's essentially a rental.

Also, I wouldn't consider Dubi a playmaker just yet. Haven't seen a lot of creativity out of him.

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