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10-09-2008, 12:06 AM
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I was thinking again that kaberle would fit right in on boston. and i thought i would try to make it as simple as possible.

Despite having wideman they really need a premiere puckmover to play along side of chara. If chara protected kaberle im sure his efficiency would go through the roof. Wideman is a GOOD player, this is not a doubting him proposal.

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Kaberle 4.25,

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Kessel - 2.2m/1yr
Schaefer*sp* 2.1m/2yr
1st rounder '09 top5 protected.
4.3million

Yes. Schaefer is on waivers. But as every schnieder post had included there are reasons for taking a player who was on waivers. Namely the ability to move them at the deadline for some gain. Schaefer would get playing time in toronto. probobly 2nd line and 2nd line PP. but he would get playing time and if he did well may recoup something extra at the deadline. and also toronto would have no problem paying him to play in the minors or half his salary on recall.

Phil Kessel is the obvious target here. Everyone knows him. and what he brings to the table for toronto.

The top5 protected first rounder is there as value for toronto and is partially the reason they pull the trade. Toronto doesnt care about the protection its about extra assets and I just felt that a pure 09 first on a team that may flouder badly *although i think they make the playoffs* was a little much value.

The money works out beutifully and toronto would be glad to take any 1year contracts you need gone in exchange for picks.

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10-09-2008, 12:11 AM
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The cap situation doesn't work.....

Schaeffer was waived so the bruins could get rid of his cap hit so they would fit under the cap.

In providence he doesn't count against their cap.

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10-09-2008, 12:13 AM
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The cap situation doesn't work.....

Schaeffer was waived so the bruins could get rid of his cap hit so they would fit under the cap.

In providence he doesn't count against their cap.
Im aware of that.

There are reasons for boston to move schaefer like getting them off of payroll period, it acts as extra value to the contract *slightly* as well as im sure toronto would be happy to take another bad contract for an additional 2nd and you can get kaberle

As well the addition of kaberle may make a trade within the defensive corps be viable to again get under the cap.

clearing an additional 2.2mil off a roster isnt that hard.
you make room for kaberle.

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10-09-2008, 12:23 AM
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Im aware of that.

There are reasons for boston to move schaefer like getting them off of payroll period, it acts as extra value to the contract *slightly* as well as im sure toronto would be happy to take another bad contract for an additional 2nd and you can get kaberle

As well the addition of kaberle may make a trade within the defensive corps be viable to again get under the cap.

clearing an additional 2.2mil off a roster isnt that hard.
you make room for kaberle.
Your original post just makes it seem that you are implying the 4.25million and the 4.3million are close to equal....

Purely monetarily its even... but in terms of cap hits; it is not equal. I'm just pointing that out.

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10-09-2008, 12:25 AM
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ok.

I can see where your coming from. I was merely responding with some additional details.

Id edit but people get angry lol

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10-09-2008, 12:54 AM
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I doubt Leafs will deal in there conference during season.

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10-09-2008, 12:59 AM
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I doubt Leafs will deal in there conference during season.
Why would the Leafs care..... Usually the whole not dealing within your conference thing is cause you don't want to strengthen a team you are competing with for a playoff spot... or a team that you could meet in the playoffs.

I thought Fletcher and Wilson have admitted they don't expect the team to make the playoffs.... The Leafs should be okay with trading players who will soon be FAs within the division... its other teams who may not want to send young players/draft picks to the Leafs as they won't want to help their rebuild.

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10-09-2008, 01:18 AM
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the leafs tried how many times to send sundin to the habs?
They tried to trade Kaberle to Philly already. I dont think they care who they trade who too.

What is bostons cap now? I thought it was 55 pre waivers now at 53. but Nhl numbers now says 59?????

I still think Kabs for Kessel and Stuart is fair is. Thats like
4.25 compared to 3.75.....

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10-09-2008, 01:30 AM
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the leafs tried how many times to send sundin to the habs?
They tried to trade Kaberle to Philly already. I dont think they care who they trade who too.

What is bostons cap now? I thought it was 55 pre waivers now at 53. but Nhl numbers now says 59?????

I still think Kabs for Kessel and Stuart is fair is. Thats like
4.25 compared to 3.75.....
Id rather keep Kessel and Stuart...I don't want to get into a thing Kaberle is fine but we can have Kessel and Stuart as part of our foundation for a long time to come.

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10-09-2008, 01:33 AM
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the leafs tried how many times to send sundin to the habs?
They tried to trade Kaberle to Philly already. I dont think they care who they trade who too.

What is bostons cap now? I thought it was 55 pre waivers now at 53. but Nhl numbers now says 59?????

I still think Kabs for Kessel and Stuart is fair is. Thats like
4.25 compared to 3.75.....
Thats a very fair proposal but I just hate to give up Stuart I think he will be the captain of the Bruins someday

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10-09-2008, 01:47 AM
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Thats a very fair proposal but I just hate to give up Stuart I think he will be the captain of the Bruins someday
ha and thats why I want him.

Schenn Stuart and (ugh) finger would be a solid d that actually plays D.
Its one of those you have to give to get things, where I can see leaf fans wanting to keep kabs and Bruins fans wanting to keep Stuart/kessel. Thats why I thought it was fair.

And sadly I kinda would rather canadian players or americans who played OHL just because I would have thought we would have a better chance of keeping them come FA time (but thats completely unfair I know) just a thought.

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10-09-2008, 07:41 AM
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I like Kessel, and I'd take him and a 1st for Kaberle (even though better deals may be available) ...doubt the pick would be protected, if it was anything but a straight 1st, it would be an 09 OR 2010 at Toronto's discretion.

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10-09-2008, 07:51 AM
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I think Leafs can get more from a worse team looking to improve D drastically.

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nobody wants Schaefer

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nobody wants Schaefer
NOOOObody

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10-09-2008, 10:08 AM
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Nope no deal

im happy where my d is at and i dont need to lose kessel and a pick o get someone when kessel could and should breakout this year

however i will trade you schaefer for a bag of pucks

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Not sure if I do this if I'm Boston. The cap situation...Were only 200K under right now...Adding Kaberle we'd have to get rid of another 2+ million...Which would probably mean Blake Wheeler.

Kessel is just too important for Boston to give up right now. I'd rather go after White for a much cheaper price.

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10-09-2008, 03:57 PM
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Toronto is not going to trade Kaberele now.
If they plan on trading him, which I don't see the point unless the return is amazing, they will trade him at the deadline when teams are desperate and he's had a few months to boost his stock.

Who wouldn't want a defenseman leading his team in scoring?

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10-09-2008, 04:36 PM
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Wideman, Kessel, picks

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Wideman, Kessel, picks
no from boston. no no no

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wideman and a 1st for kabs??

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Doesn't trading Wideman really offset the trade? We need ANOTHER puck-mover. Trading one to get one wouldn't really solve our problem.

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Cliff doesn't care whether the trade is inter-divional or not just that the trade makes sense for the Leafs.

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For Boston to trade Kessel at this point is insane. Kaberle has a NTC which would make it
pretty hard to trade him (he will say no) however if the Leafs miss the playoffs (good possibility) The NTC will be null for a period of time this summer and will kick in again next year. Trading a 4M 50-60 point all star dman will be crazy once the salary cap goes down next year. Canadian $ is currently 0.85 hit 0.82 this morning and will likely keep coming down. Hopefully Cdn teams had the foresight to hedge the next few years salaries
when the loonie was above par.

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Thats a very fair proposal but I just hate to give up Stuart I think he will be the captain of the Bruins someday
Not on Patrice Bergeron's watch. I get what you're saying though and I would also rather keep Kess and Stu.

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