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PRE-SEASON--Toronto Maple Leafs @ Detroit Red Wings -- 7:30pm EST, Oct. 3/08

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10-04-2008, 05:36 PM
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Niklas Kronwall 35 points in 65 games and Pavel Kubina had 40 points in 72 games is the comparible missing from yesterdays game.
Pavel Datsyuk had 97 points last year good enough for 4th in the NHL overall with only Ovechkin, Malkin and Iginla had more points.. If the Leafs had Sundin to re-insert in the line-up he wouldn't offset Datsyuk as an equal..

If you count Datsyuk 31 goals 97 points, Hossa 29 goals 66 points, Cleary 20 goals 42 goals, Holmstrom 20 goals 40 points in 59 games were all missing from the forwards .. Thats 4 , 20-30 goal scorers..

Leafs have Fletcher's boys Hagman, Hollweg, Moore, and Mayers to re-insert at forwards removing White, Devo, Bell and Rogers from last nights line-up. Is that really going to make a big difference?

Sure Leafs can put Kaberle and Kubina in and take Sifers and Kronwall out and Wings can insert Kronwall, Brad Stuart and Chelios. The Leafs don't have a Lidstrom and Raflaski = about Kaberle when both teams are at full strength.
All those words, and none of them change the fact that missing Kaberle/Kubina is equivalent to missing Datsyuk/Hossa.

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10-04-2008, 05:41 PM
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All those words, and none of them change the fact that missing Kaberle/Kubina is equivalent to missing Datsyuk/Hossa.
Agreed. And missing Antro/Poni is the equivalent to missing Malkin/Crosby.

In all seriousness though this argument is dumb Detroit is superior to us, end of story.

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10-04-2008, 05:44 PM
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All those words, and none of them change the fact that missing Kaberle/Kubina is equivalent to missing Datsyuk/Hossa.
but its not equil is it. if detroit looses datsyuk AND hossa they still have enough skilled players to come into the line-up and win games.

if you take kaberle and kubina out of the leafs line-up we lose

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but its not equil is it. if detroit looses datsyuk AND hossa they still have enough skilled players to come into the line-up and win games.

if you take kaberle and kubina out of the leafs line-up we lose
Its not worth debating as its a simple waste of time for someone who believes that Kaberle and Kubina is the equivalent of Datsyuk and Hossa. Kaberle being equal to the 4th leading scorer in the NHL Datsyuk, and arguing that 97 points = 53 as compatibles to team contribution. That's like saying Mats Sundin is the equivalent of Brian Rafalski and believing it.

Even if that silly notion was remotely true, then as you say Zetterberg and Lidstrom etc have no equals to anything Leafs have to offer.

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All those words, and none of them change the fact that missing Kaberle/Kubina is equivalent to missing Datsyuk/Hossa.
Equivalent from which perspective? In terms of talent, or in terms of effect on the team due their absence?

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In terms of overall quality of player. Kaberle and Datsyuk rank similarly at their positions, as do Kubina and Hossa.


and yes, Mess, you're right - we don't have anyone equal to Zetterberg or Lidstrom.

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Here is Howard Berger take on the game.

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Leafs Lose At Home To Grand Rapids

TORONTO (Oct. 5) — The usual mantra of Leafs Nation at this time of year — “Hey, it was only an exhibition game” — has one more day of shelf-life before fresh excuses are required to explain fiascos like Saturday night’s loss to a glorified Detroit farm team. This embarrassment, at the Air Canada Centre, occurred at a time when the Maple Leafs should be rounding into so-called regular-season form. Then again, given how the multitudes have predicted such form to resemble what we saw on Saturday, perhaps the Leafs are performing to expectation.

The Red Wings came to town without arguably seven of their top eight players. Nick Lidstrom, Henrik Zetterberg, Pavel Datsyuk, Tomas Holmstrom, Johan Franzen, Brian Rafalski and Valtteri Filppula all stayed in Detroit. Only Marian Hossa was dressed among the Wings’ best skaters. The Leafs, conversely, iced a line-up that is very close to the one coach Ron Wilson will deploy at Joe Louis Arena for the regular-season opener on Thursday. Defenseman Pavel Kubina was the only front-line player on the Toronto roster to sit out the game. The big difference might have been in goal, where Curtis Joseph continued to look as if he hasn’t covered an angle in 15 years. But, that doesn’t explain why the Leafs — with virtually all of their regular forwards in uniform – failed to record a single shot on goal in the second period. Nor does it jibe with the one promise Wilson has made about his initial season behind the Toronto bench… that his players, regardless of the opposition or the odds against winning, will not be out-worked.

Full Story: http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?p...9&blogger_id=3

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