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10-10-2008, 11:59 AM
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There is no way Komisarek gets any more than 5M... come on...

Look at other shutdown D-Men in the NHL. Orpik is paid 3,75M. Hannan 4,5M. McKee 4M.

Hell... Komisarek is not anywhere close to Markov in terms of what he brings to the team. You've got to stay realistic there. He's among the best of the league in terms of defensive abilities, but get real... The guy barely can hit/get the puck to the net with a wrist shot from the blue line.

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10-10-2008, 12:28 PM
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There is no way Komisarek gets any more than 5M... come on...

Look at other shutdown D-Men in the NHL. Orpik is paid 3,75M. Hannan 4,5M. McKee 4M.

Hell... Komisarek is not anywhere close to Markov in terms of what he brings to the team. You've got to stay realistic there. He's among the best of the league in terms of defensive abilities, but get real... The guy barely can hit/get the puck to the net with a wrist shot from the blue line.
The prob is that Komi is by far the better of the 3 you named and the market changed drasticly last summer with guys like Hainsey Streit making over 4 millions..

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10-10-2008, 12:47 PM
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The prob is that Komi is by far the better of the 3 you named and the market changed drasticly last summer with guys like Hainsey Streit making over 4 millions..
Exactly Komi is better than all three of those guys... and we have seen that every year their is inflation.... If we have two very similar players one signed in 2006 and one in 2008... the 2008 guy gets a bigger deal... even if there are multiple years left on the 2006's guys contract.

So better player means he gets more than those guys.
Inflationary effect since their deals were signed also means he gets more.

Therefore 5 - 5.5 million is very fair.

If Komi wants to take a hometown discount to stay in Montreal and decides to get things done well before July 1st thats great... and I'll be .... but its no guarantee.

Agents have to be looking at the fact that players who sign in season are getting less than their UFA colleagues... as such Agents are gonna start demanding more for inseason extensions or they will just advise their client to go to July 1st.

There should be some discount cause you get a guaranteed deal now, and there is a risk if you wait till july 1st you could suffer an injury and get less... but it should not be as drastic as we have seen in recent years. Agents and GMs are still adjusting to this cap world.... My prediction is that we will see these things start to even out in the next few years, and inseason extensions will become closer to UFA contracts signed in early July.

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10-10-2008, 12:57 PM
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I still say, 5 to 5.5 million Bob look for a trade. You don't cripple your budget with Defensive specialist, sure a team needs defensive specialist but they shouldn't be anywhere near Offensive players in terms of salary.

I don't watch hockey to see a defensive game, that is soooooooo mid 90's and that era was boring! Keep paying guys 5 million to shut down the offense and we'll get back to that era.

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10-10-2008, 12:59 PM
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I still say, 5 to 5.5 million Bob look for a trade. You don't cripple your budget with Defensive specialist, sure a team needs defensive specialist but they shouldn't be anywhere near Offensive players in terms of salary.

I don't watch hockey to see a defensive game, that is soooooooo mid 90's and that era was boring! Keep paying guys 5 million to shut down the offense and we'll get back to that era.
I just wanna win... guys like Komi are winners....

Give me him over Mark Streit or Ron Hainsey any day of the week.

The other two might bring you more offence... but Komisarek is gonna be the guy who you win with.

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I like Komisarek, but I'm hesistant on defensive players getting almost 10 percent of the total budget, yes he is what compliments winning teams and I'd take him over the two you mentioned.

I'm betting he won't get more than 4 million a season and I'd be fine with that...as long as its not 5 - 7 year deal. 3 years max

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10-10-2008, 01:05 PM
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I just wanna win... guys like Komi are winners....

Give me him over Mark Streit or Ron Hainsey any day of the week.

The other two might bring you more offence... but Komisarek is gonna be the guy who you win with.
Even if the market goes higher, Komisarek ain't a good comparison with Streit or Hainsey or any dman signed last season...

Robyn Regher salary. (I Hope)

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10-10-2008, 01:11 PM
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I like Komisarek, but I'm hesistant on defensive players getting almost 10 percent of the total budget, yes he is what compliments winning teams and I'd take him over the two you mentioned.

I'm betting he won't get more than 4 million a season and I'd be fine with that...as long as its not 5 - 7 year deal. 3 years max
I agree with limiting the term.... for me nothing over 5 years... he still is relatively young so i'm willing to go that long.

But his style of play tells me he will break down faster than the average player (lots of hits, lots of blocked shots).

I think his market value though is 5-5.5.... I'd love it if he would take the hometown discount and resign for 4.5-5 though.

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Even if the market goes higher, Komisarek ain't a good comparison with Streit or Hainsey or any dman signed last season...

Robyn Regher salary. (I Hope)
Regher IMO took a hometown discount

We have three comparators at the top of the page
Orpik is paid 3,75M. Hannan 4,5M. McKee 4M.

Komi is better than all three of these guys.... plus we have to factor in inflation. a contract signed to a similar player in 2008 > one signed in 2006.

Thats why i say his market value is about 1million higher than Hannan.

Hopefully he does the hometown discount and we get him for less than 5... but i'd say 5.5 is fair value.

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10-10-2008, 01:19 PM
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The prob is that Komi is by far the better of the 3 you named and the market changed drasticly last summer with guys like Hainsey Streit making over 4 millions..
Why don't you compare Komi to a foward or Goalie while you're at it.
Neither of these two Dmen are comparable to Komi. Streit got as much because of his Production and the fact he's extremely versatile.
Hainsey is overpaid, but still he's a good on the PP and unfortunately, the offensive Ds usually get the big bucks.
EDIT: Just Realize I quoted the wrong person, my bad. lol

Anyways,
I didn't fallow Hannan much last season, but I'm sorry, he was extremely solid in SJ. Saying Komi is by far better is a huge overstatement. He should get about the same type of money.
He won't be making Hamrlik/Markov money with us, I'd bet anything you want on that.


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10-10-2008, 01:26 PM
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Sorry, but having three D-Men getting more than 5,5M is just bad.

Komisarek should not get any penny more than 5M. This is the max I'd go at. He's great, but you have to admit that he's less essential to us than Hamrlik/Markov.

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10-10-2008, 01:35 PM
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Breaker brings up a good point, Komisarek's Body will break down sooner rather than later because of the game he plays, given this situation I hope Bob goes the usual 3 year deal with him.

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10-10-2008, 01:48 PM
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Komi's open market value is 6million+

And if he signs for 4.5 to 5.5 (which I think he will) don't kid yourselves, its gonna be a hometown discount.

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Breaker brings up a good point, Komisarek's Body will break down sooner rather than later because of the game he plays, given this situation I hope Bob goes the usual 3 year deal with him.
Personally, I doubt Komisarek will slow down sooner cause the type of game he plays, the guy is built extremmely strong, big bones, 235-240 lbs of muscle.. I think he has at least 10 more years of solid hockey in him..

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Personally, I doubt Komisarek will slow down sooner cause the type of game he plays, the guy is built extremmely strong, big bones, 235-240 lbs of muscle.. I think he has at least 10 more years of solid hockey in him..
and he got an harsh yet really effective training program including yoga

my grandma is a yoga master and im pretty sure she'll live longer than me

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Moral of the story being; Do Yoga and get 6 million in salary?

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10-10-2008, 02:29 PM
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Some of you are clueless as to the consequences of having a D like Komisarek in your lineup, you are seriously underrating him.

All I'm gonna say is that last season, when you had Komisarek on the ice and you paid any attention whatsoever to the defensive aspect of the game, you could easily notice that almost no forward from the opponent's team were trying to get into the Habs zone on the right side. That makes it that much easier for your team during 25 minutes of a game.

And saying Komisarek isnt worth a long term deal because of his physical play is nonsense.

Scott Stevens played for 21 seasons in the NHL.

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Not underrating him at all, he is a good/great defensive defencemen...but he is not worth 5 to 6 million as is being said in this thread.

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and he got an harsh yet really effective training program including yoga

my grandma is a yoga master and im pretty sure she'll live longer than me
I tried yoga once and I almost made my teacher jumping the gun.. I understood quiclky it wasnt made for me..

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Some of you are clueless as to the consequences of having a D like Komisarek in your lineup, you are seriously underrating him.

All I'm gonna say is that last season, when you had Komisarek on the ice and you paid any attention whatsoever to the defensive aspect of the game, you could easily notice that almost no forward from the opponent's team were trying to get into the Habs zone on the right side. That makes it that much easier for your team during 25 minutes of a game.

And saying Komisarek isnt worth a long term deal because of his physical play is nonsense.

Scott Stevens played for 21 seasons in the NHL.
amen to that


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Not underrating him at all, he is a good/great defensive defencemen...but he is not worth 5 to 6 million as is being said in this thread.
And I've explained exactly why he's worth that much money, especially in the market right now.

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Some of you are clueless as to the consequences of having a D like Komisarek in your lineup, you are seriously underrating him.

All I'm gonna say is that last season, when you had Komisarek on the ice and you paid any attention whatsoever to the defensive aspect of the game, you could easily notice that almost no forward from the opponent's team were trying to get into the Habs zone on the right side. That makes it that much easier for your team during 25 minutes of a game.

And saying Komisarek isnt worth a long term deal because of his physical play is nonsense.

Scott Stevens played for 21 seasons in the NHL.
Is Mike Komisarek, Scott Stevens?

You're using an example of one player and trying to apply it to another...Mike Komisarek is less Scott Stevens, and is more Adam Foote/Jason Smith/Derian Hatcher.

Nothing says that we can't sign Komisarek to a 4 year deal and revisit options when the deal comes to an end. I think a deal in the 4.5M-5M range is where the Habs the should Komisarek and I think that's more than generous if you ask me.

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And I've explained exactly why he's worth that much money, especially in the market right now.
Doesn't mean that because that's what the market dictates, that the Habs have to pay it.

The habs best player and highest paid player is Andrei Markov...as good and important as Komisarek is, he can't make more money than him.

Look at Phillips and Volchenkov's contract...that should be the comparable for Komisarek. Guys like Streit, Hainsey, Foote, etc, were offered big deals on the open market. I understand that playing in Montreal will force the Habs to have to overpay, but a deal in the 4.75M range over 4 or 5 years is more than competitive in today's NHL for a player of Komisarek's attributes. Especially if he wants to play on a winning team.

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Is Mike Komisarek, Scott Stevens?

You're using an example of one player and trying to apply it to another...Mike Komisarek is less Scott Stevens, and is more Adam Foote/Jason Smith/Derian Hatcher.
Footed played 19 seasons in the NHL.
Smith and Hatcher 16 seasons.

Komisarek is about to enter his 4th full time season.

Yeah screw a long term deal, he's about done just there

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Doesn't mean that because that's what the market dictates, that the Habs have to pay it.

The habs best player and highest paid player is Andrei Markov...as good and important as Komisarek is, he can't make more money than him.
Doesn't mean the Habs have to pay it, but if they don't, they'll be left behind.

And about Markov's contract, sorry but that's nonsense. The market is very different every seasons. If you think the Habs can't hand out a contract bigger than Markhov's 5.75 millions per season to another D in the league for the next 3 seasons we're in deep trouble at the blue line


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Footed played 19 seasons in the NHL.
Smith and Hatcher 16 seasons.

Komisarek is about to enter his 4th full time season.

Yeah screw a long term deal, he's about done just there
At 5 to 6 million dollars a season, yes screw that long deal...He isn't 75 percent Nik Lidstrom or whatever the percentage is.

Being top heavy in salaries kills teams, theres less to pay 2nd and 3 rd tier players...that is where I believe wins and losses are most of the time.

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At 5 to 6 million dollars a season, yes screw that long deal...He isn't 75 percent Nik Lidstrom or whatever the percentage is.

Being top heavy in salaries kills teams, theres less to pay 2nd and 3 rd tier players...that is where I believe wins and losses are most of the time.
And you think a defenceman like him is gonna fetch under 5 to 6 millions in 2011-12? Especially after the inflation they get every season?

Come on, get real there.
Singing Komisarek to a 5+ years deal worth 5 millions per season would be an absolute steal and a pure work of genius from Gainey.

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Footed played 19 seasons in the NHL.
Smith and Hatcher 16 seasons.

Komisarek is about to enter his 4th full time season.

Yeah screw a long term deal, he's about done just there
Look, that's your opinion and I respect it...signing Komisarek to a long term 8-9-10 year deal is cool for some people, not for me. I don't like long term deals for players unless they're named Crosby or Ovechkin. That's just me...cap flexibility is the most important thing when you have a salary cap in place and tying up a large % of it in a player who is somewhat unidimensional, is not what I call smart money management.

So if Komi's agent is looking for a long term deal of that type at 6M+ then he can go find it post July 1st IMO. He can go sign with Columbus or Atlanta or on the Island and make alot of money the rest of his life but play on crap teams. That his perogative.

But if he wants to captain a team that plans on being successful for a long time, then he'll accept what the pay scale Gainey is establishing, determines

I also don't want to sound like i'm diminishing Komisarek as a player, but whenever you start discussing salary, that's what happens. Let's get one thing straight, I love Komisarek and would hate to see him leave, but more than Komisarek, I love the Habs and want them to be as competitive as possible and tying a ton of money in Komisarek does not enable them to do that, IMO

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And you think a defenceman like him is gonna fetch under 5 to 6 millions in 2011-12? Especially after the inflation they get every season?

Come on, get real there.
Singing Komisarek to a 5+ years deal worth 5 millions per season would be an absolute steal and a pure work of genius from Gainey.
Just so you know, the cap is rumoured to decrease next season...

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