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10-06-2008, 09:46 PM
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Basically we lose McIver, Krajicek and Simek for O'Brien and Ouellet.
I don't know how to feel about this. I'm talking to some of my friends living in Tampa and they all say that O'Brien was over his head playing top 4 minutes however showed potential with his shot and speed. So maybe if he plays bottom pair minutes he'll provide us some much needed grit in the back end. And can someone tell me why is Ouellet starting in the moose instead of up with the big club? need clarification. thanks.
Tampa Bay sent Ouellet down to Norfolk and he passed through waivers without anybody claiming him. Since he was assigned to the AHL already I think thats why he is now in Manitoba. If I understand it correctly, if we try to call him up at some point during the season, he will then be on re-entry waivers and if he gets taken, we'll be on the hook for half his salary which I think is about 500k.

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Check hockeyfights.com and you'll see that O'Brien seems to have had as many losses as wins. He plays with an edge which is a welcome addition to the Canucks D but he isn't in the same category as Hordichuk.
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Tampa Bay sent Ouellet down to Norfolk and he passed through waivers without anybody claiming him. Since he was assigned to the AHL already I think thats why he is now in Manitoba. If I understand it correctly, if we try to call him up at some point during the season, he will then be on re-entry waivers and if he gets taken, we'll be on the hook for half his salary which I think is about 500k.
he is on the farm for the year then...

a team will claim him on re-entry waivers once injuries start to pile up

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I don't know if there is any intention to send him up to the big club. He could be a one and done for the Moose.

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Evaluating the D now

+ toughness is good
+ size is good
+ point shot cannons
+ defensive play is solid

= mobilty is adequate

- lacks raw speed
- lacks a PP QB
- lacks a puck carrier


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While Gillis doesn't need to make a move there are still opportunities for him to improve the team: QB/puck moving D and 2nd RW. He can bide time and look for sensible options.

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Evaluating the D now

+ toughness is good
+ size is good
+ point shot cannons
+ defensive play is solid

= mobilty is adequate

- lacks raw speed
- lacks a PP QB
- lacks a puck carrier


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While Gillis doesn't need to make a move there are still opportunities for him to improve the team: QB/puck moving D and 2nd RW. He can bide time and look for sensible options.
Sami freakin' Salo.

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Sami freakin' Salo.
You view Salo as a true PP QB?

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You view Salo as a true PP QB?
Are you saying Krajicek was more effective on the PP than Salo?

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Are you saying Krajicek was more effective on the PP than Salo?
Yeah no kidding, eh.

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You view Salo as a true PP QB?
I would argue we don't need a defenseman to quarterback our PP. On the first unit the puck will run through the Sedins and the second unit PP will run through Demitra (and maybe Wellwood) with Salo providing his booming shot from the point.

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Evaluating the D now

+ toughness is good
+ size is good
+ point shot cannons
+ defensive play is solid

= mobilty is adequate

- lacks raw speed
- lacks a PP QB
- lacks a puck carrier


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While Gillis doesn't need to make a move there are still opportunities for him to improve the team: QB/puck moving D and 2nd RW. He can bide time and look for sensible options.
2 words: Jay Bouwmeester.

I truly believe that Gillis will be going after JBo as a UFA in the offseason, especially if he elects not to re-sign Ohlund and/or trades Kevin Bieksa.

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Seems like a whole bunch of folks are overrating Krajicek here. No big loss at all, O'Brien is certainly his equal.

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Sweet, O'Brien will have played in 84 games this year. The man is a machine!

(assuming he played both games for the lightning. I did not fact check this.)
Pessimist.

I expect most of our players are going to play at *least* 86 games this season.

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Are you saying Krajicek was more effective on the PP than Salo?
I did? Where? Krajicek is irrelevant, he wasn't a PP QB on the Nucks. All I said is getting a true PP QB is an area he can work on if he feels the need, he doesn't have to since we aren't desperate, but I do see it being a spot he could upgrade later.

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This has probably been said a few times, but another move that makes Bieksa really expendable. What are the odds he's dealt in the next couple weeks?

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2 words: Jay Bouwmeester.

I truly believe that Gillis will be going after JBo as a UFA in the offseason, especially if he elects not to re-sign Ohlund and/or trades Kevin Bieksa.
odds are a lot better that JBo never hits UFA. you'd think we would have learned that this past season.

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10-06-2008, 11:35 PM
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This has probably been said a few times, but another move that makes Bieksa really expendable. What are the odds he's dealt in the next couple weeks?
Yes it has been said a few times and the theory makes no sense whatsoever in my opinion. Just to clarify why this move means that Bieksa is going to get traded next, can you please tell me your reasoning behind it? I honestly do not get it.

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odds are a lot better that JBo never hits UFA. you'd think we would have learned that this past season.
Yeah, whoever trades for him will be a contender with room to sign him most likely. Either that or he gets 8 million a year as a free agent. Neither seems like scenarios where the Canucks are involved.

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Yes it has been said a few times and the theory makes no sense whatsoever in my opinion. Just to clarify why this move means that Bieksa is going to get traded next, can you please tell me your reasoning behind it? I honestly do not get it.
because the one draw back some people had with moving Bieksa is that he was the only guy on the backend that could intimitate anyone. now Davison and SOB can do that.

now the counter is that Bieksa is the arguably the best dman we have at skating the puck up the ice and generating offence (when he's on).

I don't think this deal impacts Bieksa at all, although I'd be less pleased with eithe O'Brien or Davison filling in in the top 4 than Krajicek. But I'd say if a deal involving Bieksa that brings us a top 6 C/RW is available, O'Brien/Davison are adequate 5-6 dmen.

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Yes it has been said a few times and the theory makes no sense whatsoever in my opinion. Just to clarify why this move means that Bieksa is going to get traded next, can you please tell me your reasoning behind it? I honestly do not get it.
Well, at the risk of bringing up redundant arguments, and with the preface I'm a huge Bieksa fan:

a) He may be our only marketable and moveable asset on the backend not named Edler
b) One of his greatest strengths is grit and toughness. The team was desperate for it but is no longer.
c) If he isn't performing as a top 4 defenseman he will not be justifying his salary.
d) Many feel he will not regain the form that earned him that contract.
e) Defense remains our biggest strength, and any deal for offense will probably have to be dealt from this strength.

Of course it is all based on how the coaches and GM feel about him, but I do find it telling he was overlooked for an A when his game and personality seems ideally suited to the role.

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odds are a lot better that JBo never hits UFA. you'd think we would have learned that this past season.
most of those re-signing didn't blatantly call out their teams' management.

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Yes it has been said a few times and the theory makes no sense whatsoever in my opinion. Just to clarify why this move means that Bieksa is going to get traded next, can you please tell me your reasoning behind it? I honestly do not get it.
The team does have 8 defenceman on 1 way contracts, but I'm not sure if Nycholat needs to clear waivers in order to be sent down. That said, the only thing I would trade him for would be a skilled physical top 6 forward who's either young or signed for a while still. I doubt there's too many of those available for trade.

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My comments:

-- What is this? Make Luongo happy week? First make Roberto captain and then get him a bruising crease clearing D-man who has proven he can play in the West.

-- Ouellet will be a decent winger for Hodgson.

-- I like the trade, but I think IF this season's a bust -- as many have predicted, e.g. ESPN, and Hockey News, and others putting us between 10th and 14th in the West -- it will be because of a lack of firepower. Gillis ought to address that. Having said that, I happen to think that this year's Canucks will be far better than many suspect.

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most of those re-signing didn't blatantly call out their teams' management.
which just means he's likely to get traded by the deadline. and since he's going to cost some major assets, I'd guess whomever trades for him will have worked out a deal before hand.

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I did? Where? Krajicek is irrelevant, he wasn't a PP QB on the Nucks. All I said is getting a true PP QB is an area he can work on if he feels the need, he doesn't have to since we aren't desperate, but I do see it being a spot he could upgrade later.
Cause our powerplay thus far has been just horrible. So much so that we should take OUT a hard hitting defenseman and put IN a "Pure PP QB". Sounds like a plan. Why aren't you GM?

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