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02-04-2017, 08:24 AM
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Sens 25 top players (25th anniversary edition)

I'm sure there will be some of your favourite players missed, but what can you do ???

No Stone or Hoffman yet!

http://www.sens25.com/anniversaryteam/



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Wouldve liked Stone on there, but everyone who is there 100% deserves to be there

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02-04-2017, 09:48 AM
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Wouldve liked Stone on there, but everyone who is there 100% deserves to be there
Heatley?

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Heatley?
When he was here he was a beast. I mean he left on bad terms, but by play only 100% he deserves to be here.

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02-04-2017, 10:06 AM
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Godamn look at that jersey on Duchesne. It's like he's wearing a Tux to a pajama party. Beautiful.

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02-04-2017, 10:08 AM
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Way too skewed to the "Good old days". You're gonna tell me Chris Kelly or Antoine Vermette had a more impactful run on the Senators than Mark Stone who has played Selke level hockey while being either or very close to our top point producer at forward over the last three years?

Vermette had one really productive season in Ottawa. His 05-07 numbers are skewed because guys were scoring 120 points, so 39 points back then is bottom 6 production.

You're gonna tell me Chris Kelly is a bigger deal than Mike Hoffman who has been the Sens top goal scorer for 3 years?

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02-04-2017, 11:11 AM
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Way too skewed to the "Good old days". You're gonna tell me Chris Kelly or Antoine Vermette had a more impactful run on the Senators than Mark Stone who has played Selke level hockey while being either or very close to our top point producer at forward over the last three years?

Vermette had one really productive season in Ottawa. His 05-07 numbers are skewed because guys were scoring 120 points, so 39 points back then is bottom 6 production.

You're gonna tell me Chris Kelly is a bigger deal than Mike Hoffman who has been the Sens top goal scorer for 3 years?
I agree there is a history bias here. But thats true all throughout hockey with these sort of things for the most part.
All the players listed were/are great players in the sens organization.

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02-04-2017, 11:19 AM
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Stone has played 2 seasons for us.

He'll easily be top 5 if he plays his career with us... but for now he's not on the list.

It also seems to be a fan vote so guys who were with us in the "glory" days of being a contender will likely rate higher (Neil, Fisher, Vermette, Kelly)

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02-04-2017, 11:22 AM
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This list is brutal.

Unless I'm misunderstanding the list.

So it's not "best players to play for sens" but "longest serving senators"?

Or else we'd see Hasek, straka,demitra,bondra, gonchar etc if it was best players to put on a sens jersey.

If it was best players to play a long time on the sens guys like mceachern and white and stone with top line and 60+ point seasons would make it over Neil.

Neil was never a top 10 player for us in one year, so the fact he's in the top 25 all time is laughable.

Overall terrible list because I can't figure out what they're basing it on

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02-04-2017, 11:24 AM
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Take Neil and Kelly out and add Hoffman/Turris and Stone. Done

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Stone has played 2 seasons for us.

He'll easily be top 5 if he plays his career with us... but for now he's not on the list.

It also seems to be a fan vote so guys who were with us in the "glory" days of being a contender will likely rate higher (Neil, Fisher, Vermette, Kelly)
So being a 4th liner for several years is more impactful than being a first liner for a few years? I don't think so. Not in a "greatest xx" list.

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02-04-2017, 11:25 AM
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So being a 4th liner for several years is more impactful than being a first liner for a few years? I don't think so. Not in a "greatest xx" list.
The average fan loves Chris Neil

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02-04-2017, 11:27 AM
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"to celebrate the Ottawa Senators 25th anniversary, the duty of appointing the #Sens25 team was handed to the fans. Leading up to #Sens25, fans voted to determine the franchise team that consists of 12 forwards, six defencemen and two goaltenders. Voting concluded at the end of December 2016."

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Way too skewed to the "Good old days". You're gonna tell me Chris Kelly or Antoine Vermette had a more impactful run on the Senators than Mark Stone who has played Selke level hockey while being either or very close to our top point producer at forward over the last three years?

Vermette had one really productive season in Ottawa. His 05-07 numbers are skewed because guys were scoring 120 points, so 39 points back then is bottom 6 production.

You're gonna tell me Chris Kelly is a bigger deal than Mike Hoffman who has been the Sens top goal scorer for 3 years?
Its worth remembering a guy like Vermette was behind some very good players. His production could have been much higher had he been a first liner or even a regular 2nd liner. First year in columbus as a top liner he scored 27 goals and 65 points

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Maybe the list is money earned and that's why Neil and Phillips are so high up. Because we kept giving them multi million contracts after their prime so they could make this list.

I know people will probably jump on me for the Phillips comment because he's been with us for long...But that being said, he's never been a top defenseman for us.

Back in the day we'd swap him for a forward. And then after that we still gave more ice time to guys like duchesne, kravchuk, redden, York... Even in Phillip's prime he was a #3 or #4 behind Chara, redden, and maybe volchenkov depending on your preference. And then guys like gonchar too.

He's never been one of our better defenseman yet is on the list when guys who were ahead of him in the depth chart for their total time here spanning over several seasons are nowhere to be found for the list.

I'd rather have Crosby for 5 years than Darren maccarty for 20. Yet this list would put maccarty ahead because of time played.

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02-04-2017, 11:31 AM
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Looks good!

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The average fan loves Chris Neil
Do they like him or think he's a good hockey player?

Is this poll asking who's the most liked or who's the best?

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02-04-2017, 11:44 AM
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Do they like him or think he's a good hockey player?

Is this poll asking who's the most liked or who's the best?
If I'm building an All-Time best Sens team, Neil is on it, regardless of how good he is right now.

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I don't get the Neil hate here. There are many roles on hockey teams and Chris Neil has been one of the best in the league in his role for a very very long time.

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If I'm building an All-Time best Sens team, Neil is on it, regardless of how good he is right now.
Really? "ALL-TIME BEST"? I'm not misunderstanding those words. Best to ever play with the sens?

Heatley-Spezza-alfredsson
Bondra-Yashin-Kovalev
Hossa-demitra-Stone
Hoffman-straka-havlat

Just missed the cut: turris, bonk, stillman, McEachern, Smolinski, Prospal, white, foligno, vermette, fisher, Juneau, arvedson, schaefer, kelly, michalek, macarthur

Karlsson-chara
redden-gonchar
Duschesne-Phaneuf

Just missed the cut: Phillips, volchenkov, Kuba, Methot, mciver, york, karvchuk

Hasek
Barrasso

Just missed the cut: Tuggnutt, rhodes, lalime, anderson

That would be my opinion of the "best all time roster collected of guys who played for the sens"

Then if you care about time with the sens, you can take out hasek and barrasso and replace them with anderson and lalime.
Take out no one on D because they all played the better part of multiple seasons. Maybe phaneuf for phillips but not for long once phaneuf plays more as hes the higher ranking defenseman all time)
Take out bondra, demitra, straka and replace them with 3 of turris,bonk, smolinski, stillman, prospal or mceachern.

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02-04-2017, 12:55 PM
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Agreed with JBeck. It should be a measure of accumulation of performance over the years, some sort of career WAR if you will. This will help eliminate superstars who didn't play long enough with the Sens (Hasek), and players who just benefited from longevity with the team (Phillips, Kelly). In that case, these are some of the obvious ones in my book:

Alfie, Yashin, Karlsson, Spezza, Redden, Chara, Stone, Hossa, Lalime, Anderson, Heatley, Bonk, Turris, Methot, Havlat, Fisher.

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That's fine if you would build ur team that way, but mine would surely have prime Neil as the 4th line RW.

Also you don't seem to be taking in consideration the level the players had with Ottawa, i.e Bondra, Kovalev, Demitra, etc.

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25 top patches

Perhaps we should have a top 25 patches comp.

Missing from the list is some old original patches (Worlds Champions), etc.. and this years 25th Anny patch!






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Maybe the list is money earned and that's why Neil and Phillips are so high up. Because we kept giving them multi million contracts after their prime so they could make this list.

I know people will probably jump on me for the Phillips comment because he's been with us for long...But that being said, he's never been a top defenseman for us.

Back in the day we'd swap him for a forward. And then after that we still gave more ice time to guys like duchesne, kravchuk, redden, York... Even in Phillip's prime he was a #3 or #4 behind Chara, redden, and maybe volchenkov depending on your preference. And then guys like gonchar too.

He's never been one of our better defenseman yet is on the list when guys who were ahead of him in the depth chart for their total time here spanning over several seasons are nowhere to be found for the list.

I'd rather have Crosby for 5 years than Darren maccarty for 20. Yet this list would put maccarty ahead because of time played.
Phillips/Volchenkov was straight up our #1 pairing when we went to the Stanley Cup Finals.

Phillips is undoubtably one of the top 6 defencemen in franchise history. There is no doubt or argument.

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