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10-11-2008, 01:37 AM
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Toronto Philly trade proposal

Alright, this was negotiated between me and a Philly fan, lets see what people think:

Giroux + Hartnell for Kaberle

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10-11-2008, 01:38 AM
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Done from Philly POV imo. Idk about a Leaf POV though, i think they'd rather have a 1st than Hartnell.

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that's very solid value wise, maybe I would do it, not sure

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Done from Philly POV imo. Idk about a Leaf POV though, i think they'd rather have a 1st than Hartnell.
well, Hartnell's salary is a near match for Kaberle's, and he's a prototypical Wilson player

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That looks like a deal Fletcher would make, which means B R U T A L.

If i'm a leafs fan i'd want someone else for Kaberle and let's be honest here, Kaberle is underrated as a powerplay qb, he's also a solid positional defenseman and a quiet leader. You best be asking for some stud players that Philly has a lot of right now.

Personally, i still like Gagne and if the leafs could dump Blake with Kaberle to Philly for Gagne and some prospects that Philly can part with that aren't crap, i'd do that. Then again, i don't really know much about the needs and wants both teams have. I do know Toronto could use some solid offense and Philly is hurting with injuries on defense. So basically Gagne + Upshall + 5th for Kaberle + Blake + 6th maybe...swing and a miss i'm guessin'.

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That looks like a deal Fletcher would make, which means B R U T A L.

If i'm a leafs fan i'd want someone else for Kaberle and let's be honest here, Kaberle is underrated as a powerplay qb, he's also a solid positional defenseman and a quiet leader. You best be asking for some stud players that Philly has a lot of right now.

Personally, i still like Gagne and if the leafs could dump Blake with Kaberle to Philly for Gagne and some prospects that Philly can part with that aren't crap, i'd do that. Then again, i don't really know much about the needs and wants both teams have. I do know Toronto could use some solid offense and Philly is hurting with injuries on defense. So basically Gagne + Upshall + 5th for Kaberle + Blake + 6th maybe...swing and a miss i'm guessin'.
whoo, I'd do that trade in a second, but my thinking behind this trade is that Giroux will be a top line winger(something we could use) who doesn't mind getting his nose dirty, even if he's not overly physical, and Wilson could probably get him to cover his defensive spots nicely... and then there's Hartnell, who Wilson would love to have... although I the Leafs could probably get a bit more in there

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Personally, i still like Gagne and if the leafs could dump Blake with Kaberle to Philly for Gagne and some prospects that Philly can part with that aren't crap, i'd do that.

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So basically Gagne + Upshall + 5th for Kaberle + Blake + 6th maybe...swing and a miss i'm guessin'.
Blake has such negative value that the likelyhood of ANY trade going down that includes Blake going and Gagne coming back is extremely unlikely. Not that Blake is terrible, but his cap hit and contract length are just brutal.

To land Gagne AND Upshall I would suspect Toronto would have to throw Kaberle + Blake + Stralman + 2nd - not something TML fans would approve of. Even then, Philly would probably prefer to keep their proven roster players instead of taking prospects and picks...

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Personally, i still like Gagne and if the leafs could dump Blake with Kaberle to Philly for Gagne and some prospects that Philly can part with that aren't crap, i'd do that. Then again, i don't really know much about the needs and wants both teams have. I do know Toronto could use some solid offense and Philly is hurting with injuries on defense. So basically Gagne + Upshall + 5th for Kaberle + Blake + 6th maybe...swing and a miss i'm guessin'.
I wouldn't take Blake and a 1st for a 5th. I HATE Jason Blake and never ever ever ever ever want to see him in my teams uniform

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I wouldn't take Blake and a 1st for a 5th. I HATE Jason Blake and never ever ever ever ever want to see him in my teams uniform
that's definitely going overboard, Blake is very fast and his idiotic shots at least create lots of chances on the rebounds... how do you think he got all those assists?

Put him on a line with a powerforward, have the powerforward sitting infront of the net, and you'll see a lot of dirrrrrttttyyyy goals

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On his supposed off year, Blake was still a 50pt player, it's not totally out of left field that if put on a team like the flyers, he could do better.

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Giroux + Hartnell for Kaberle
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Blake is very fast and his idiotic shots at least create lots of chances on the rebounds...
Put him on a line with a powerforward, have the powerforward sitting infront of the net, and you'll see a lot of dirrrrrttttyyyy goals
Please keep Blake. We do not want him, his contract or his dirrrrttttyyyy goals

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the flyers aren't in a position to take on salary dumps like blake. he's not useless or worthless, but he's a deal breaker in this case.

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I wonder how long it'll be until People realize that Toronto has finished tearing down.

Kulemin/Grabovski/Stralman/Tlusty/Schenn are our wave of youth for this year. We don't necessarly need more. We have 10 players on our roster who are 25 or under, and only 5 over 30 (2 being goaltenders). Our rebuild is already in full effect.

Kaberle wont be moved unless we crash hard, which I wouldn't bet on.

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Alright, this was negotiated between me and a Philly fan, lets see what people think:

Giroux + Hartnell for Kaberle
Replace Hartnell with Lupul and Toronto does this.

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Replace Hartnell with Lupul and Toronto does this.
i highly doubt the flyers trade lupul so soon after resigning him. plus, not enough salary going back to toronto.

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I want no parts of Kaberle. He already said no to Philly once, thats not the kind of player I want on my team. He'd be a sour puss in the locker room because he was traded.

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Hartnell + contract = do not want

I agree with the Pens poster that if Lupul was included it would be a better deal.

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I want no parts of Kaberle. He already said no to Philly once, thats not the kind of player I want on my team. He'd be a sour puss in the locker room because he was traded.
Heaven forbid feeling attached or having an allegiance to the team you've played with your entire career.

What a joke.

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The deal should start off with Carter and a 1st for Kaberle. But I can see this deal expanding.

So how about:

Carter, Upshall, Hartnell and 1st

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Kaberle, Stajan, Ponikarovski and 4th

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The deal should start off with Carter and a 1st for Kaberle. But I can see this deal expanding.

So how about:

Carter, Upshall, Hartnell and 1st

for

Kaberle, Stajan, Ponikarovski and 4th
You see the problem is we don't want Stajan or Ponikarovski. Upshall & Hartnell >>>>> Stajan & Ponikarovski and a 4th. If Kaberle refused to waive his NTC to come to Philadelphia he obviously doesn't want to be here and if a guy doesn't want to play for the Flyers, I don't want him on the Flyers.

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The deal should start off with Carter and a 1st for Kaberle. But I can see this deal expanding.

So how about:

Carter, Upshall, Hartnell and 1st

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Kaberle, Stajan, Ponikarovski and 4th
c'mon we can probably squeeze Mike Richards and Bernie Parent out of them too...

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I want no parts of Kaberle. He already said no to Philly once, thats not the kind of player I want on my team. He'd be a sour puss in the locker room because he was traded.
He didn't say no to Philly, he said no to everyone. Just because a guy gets traded doesn't mean he wouldn't play for them. I'm sure he'd like to play for a winning team at some point, whether it be the Leafs or someone else.

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The deal should start off with Carter and a 1st for Kaberle. But I can see this deal expanding.

So how about:

Carter, Upshall, Hartnell and 1st

for

Kaberle, Stajan, Ponikarovski and 4th
No need to expand the deal. We would want Kaberle. That's it.

No offense, but Toronto isn't getting extra pieces for players we don't want or need.

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Hartnell + contract = do not want

I agree with the Pens poster that if Lupul was included it would be a better deal.


Heaven forbid feeling attached or having an allegiance to the team you've played with your entire career.

What a joke.
Of course it would be better but you are not going to get Lupul and Giroux for Kabs. Giroux has 1st line potential and you know that.

I would offer this package (Hartnell and Giroux plus pick) for Jay-Bo and see what Florida has to say about that. If Flyers need to add a minor prospect or pick so be it.

Jay-Bo is Flyers type of player.

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Ouch, not sure I like this deal.

I'd rather have Giroux + 1st.

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Ouch, not sure I like this deal.

I'd rather have Giroux + 1st.
Cap room.

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