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10-15-2008, 12:14 PM
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We should most definitely take the only line on the team that seems to have anything resembling chemistry or prodcution and split it up so that message board posters are more comfortable with a player who has traditionally been third line for them still being third line.
I agree.

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10-15-2008, 12:15 PM
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Our defense stinks, actually it was a lot better last season with Adam Foote and Ron Hainsey.

Commodore: Failed again, was slammed into the boards by Shelley. Could he answer that? No way...he could barely get back up on his feet.

Tyutin: Lost a puck in front of Pazzy which resulted in a goal.

Russell: Lacks muscles, was simply pushed away by some of the Shark forwards.

Klesla: Almost invisible.

The pairs don't work well together, they allowed 12 pucks in our net on this road trip. Hitch must do something. Tollefsen and Methot in, I don't know who should sit, maybe Russell and Klesla.

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10-15-2008, 12:17 PM
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Ohh hell, you know what you are absolutely right. We should keep one of our best scorers on a grinder line so we can watch 1 guy run around and take feeds from great passers only shoot it right into the crest of the goalie (if we're lucky, otherwise its not even on net) and get an occasional assist instead of putting up points....youre sooo right

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10-15-2008, 12:21 PM
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We should keep one of our best scorers on a grinder line so we can watch 1 guy run around and take feeds from great passers only shoot it right into the crest of the goalie (if we're lucky, otherwise its not even on net) and get an occasional assist instead of putting up points.
Good point. I agree.

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10-16-2008, 11:05 AM
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Ohh hell, you know what you are absolutely right. We should keep one of our best scorers on a grinder line so we can watch 1 guy run around and take feeds from great passers only shoot it right into the crest of the goalie (if we're lucky, otherwise its not even on net) and get an occasional assist instead of putting up points....youre sooo right
If one is producing and the other is not you are absolutely correct. Congratulations for finally seeing the other side of things. We are playing the player who is presently producing on a line that promotes production.

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10-17-2008, 09:48 PM
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TEAM PLAYED HORRIBLE CHANGE THE LINES THIS IS TRASH FIRE HOWSON FIRE HITCHCOCK WE HAD A CHANCE AT QUENNEVILLE SHOULDA TRADED FOR BRAD RICHARDS RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE


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TEAM PLAYED HORRIBLE CHANGE THE LINES THIS IS TRASH FIRE HOWSON FIRE HITCHCOCK WE HAD A CHANCE AT QUENNEVILLE SHOULDA TRADED FOR BRAD RICHARDS RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE

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10-17-2008, 10:09 PM
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10-18-2008, 01:08 PM
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When the roster will be full who will go out? Because Dorsett and Picard are good, Filatov excelent? I think some will have to be trading. Do we need Torres? We have very good wings: Huselius, Nash, Modin, Filatov, Voráček, Chimera and + Picard, Dorsett and Boll. And centers: Umberger, Brassard, Peca, Murray and Malhotra so what with Novotný? Besides it is pity to let to sit down Tolefsen with Methot. And we have not (except Russell but he is still young) good offensive defensman. And goalman. Leclaire is enough often injured, Mason probably too, Norrena is average. I think we need to get good offensive defensman and one good goalman.

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The Bluejackets have the best defensive players they've ever had. However they need to find combo's that will click. I think that's what Hitch is working on now. But, I really like the overall speed of this unit.

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Let's start with putting Brassard between Nash and Huselius and demote RJ to 2nd line. Okay, RJ played well last season in PHILLY as a WINGER, but let's not kid ourselves - he's not nr 1 center caliber. Also Voracek should be playing 17-18 minutes per game, not something like 12-13 minutes. I know Hitch is a veteran coach, but if the guy is better than the others, he should play more. Ask CHI and LA how they played Kane, Toews and Kopitar during their first season...

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Let's start with putting Brassard between Nash and Huselius and demote RJ to 2nd line. Okay, RJ played well last season in PHILLY as a WINGER, but let's not kid ourselves - he's not nr 1 center caliber. Also Voracek should be playing 17-18 minutes per game, not something like 12-13 minutes. I know Hitch is a veteran coach, but if the guy is better than the others, he should play more. Ask CHI and LA how they played Kane, Toews and Kopitar during their first season...

I totally agree. Brassard needs to be paired with Nash and Huselius and RJ to the 2nd line. Also agree with getting Voracek more playing time.

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10-19-2008, 10:43 AM
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I totally agree. Brassard needs to be paired with Nash and Huselius and RJ to the 2nd line. Also agree with getting Voracek more playing time.
I would have agreed with this before I saw Brass and Voracek playing together. At this point, I would hate to split them up. I'd say if Brass moves up to the top line, put Voracek up there with him. Those 2 have some great chemistry.. they just seem to love playing together.

2nd line.. drop huselius and umby down with modin. (lets hope modin gets it together)

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Ask CHI and LA how they played Kane, Toews and Kopitar during their first season...
Looking at box scores from last season, it looks like Kane and Toews were getting between 10-12 on the road and 12-14 at home. Hitch is not stupid, he knows what he's doing. He knows the kind of talent he has in these young kids and he knows what they can handle. If Brassard and Voracek are playing against the top lines of the other team every night, their point totals are going to drop. They are going to need a little more time to get more accustomed to the league, and then you put them out against the league's best. Huselius and Nash are playing well right now by themselves. Spread the scoring out a little. Vorassard has clicked well with Chimera. The problem is not with the offense, it's with the defense.

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I totally agree. Brassard needs to be paired with Nash and Huselius and RJ to the 2nd line. Also agree with getting Voracek more playing time.
But you must awake that Voráček and Brassard, Filatov (+Picard) play in Columbus and Columbus is training by Ken Hitchcock. Hitch has yourself idea about roster and about players. Besides when he likes som players they play (nice examples - Novotný, Výborný in the last season). I hope Voráček, Brassard and Filatov (+Picard) fall out not like Gilbert Brulé. Hitch is the speacialist for it.

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Hitch keeps switching your lines during the games. He isn't allowing chemisty to build, create or happen between players.

I thought during the presason Umberger and Nash looked great together.

On the top line you need Nash and Umberger together. Their RW can be switched, but Umberger could easily put up the numbers as Daniel Sedin (their style is very similiar)

Nash - Umberger - ?

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Hitch keeps switching your lines during the games. He isn't allowing chemisty to build, create or happen between players.

I thought during the presason Umberger and Nash looked great together.

On the top line you need Nash and Umberger together. Their RW can be switched, but Umberger could easily put up the numbers as Daniel Sedin (their style is very similiar)

Nash - Umberger - ?
I disagree. I think Hitch is giving plenty of time for lines to gel and he's not switching the lines up. The only reason lines were being switched around last night was because of 11 forwards being dressed instead of 12. I also disagree about Umberger and Nash. I think Nash and Huselius have gelled a lot more Nash and Umberger. Juice and Nash have a combined 10 points in 5 games together. 2 goals and 4 assists for Juice and 4 goals for Nash. I don't think theres anyway you split those two up. In a little while, move Brass up to play with them, but not right now. The offense is fine, the defense is the problem.

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10-19-2008, 01:29 PM
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This "superteam" got two serious problems, goalies and defense. They leak like a sifter, 5 games and 22 pucks in our net already. Wont reach the playoffs looking like this.

Something must be done here. Did Howson trade crap or what's wrong with those new d-men? Commodore/Tyutin/Backman...I don't like the way they play at all.

Methot looked good last night, even scored a goal. Tollefsen did a good job as well. They should play more, but we can't sit our 3 million dollar guys can we...

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This "superteam" got two serious problems, goalies and defense. They leak like a sifter, 5 games and 22 pucks in our net already. Wont reach the playoffs looking like this.

Something must be done here. Did Howson trade crap or what's wrong with those new d-men? Commodore/Tyutin/Backman...I don't like the way they play at all.

Methot looked good last night, even scored a goal. Tollefsen did a good job as well. They should play more, but we can't sit our 3 million dollar guys can we...
Yep.
Anybody think we have enough offensive firepower to outscore other teams every night??

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This "superteam" got two serious problems, goalies and defense. They leak like a sifter, 5 games and 22 pucks in our net already. Wont reach the playoffs looking like this.

Something must be done here. Did Howson trade crap or what's wrong with those new d-men? Commodore/Tyutin/Backman...I don't like the way they play at all.

Methot looked good last night, even scored a goal. Tollefsen did a good job as well. They should play more, but we can't sit our 3 million dollar guys can we...
http://www.tampabay.com/sports/hocke...icle861304.ece

At what point do you think this happens with our team?

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This "superteam" got two serious problems, goalies and defense. They leak like a sifter, 5 games and 22 pucks in our net already. Wont reach the playoffs looking like this.

Something must be done here. Did Howson trade crap or what's wrong with those new d-men? Commodore/Tyutin/Backman...I don't like the way they play at all.

Methot looked good last night, even scored a goal. Tollefsen did a good job as well. They should play more, but we can't sit our 3 million dollar guys can we...
Sure we can. In fact, that might be what it takes to get them (read: Tyutin) with the program.

To the Backman haters, apparently he's not the biggest problem we have, eh?

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Not to make excuses, but we did turn over half of the D line this offseason.

It shouldn't be an excuse... but it is.

Might take a while before we break in our new toys.

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Backman has looked fine out there, can't understand any bashing of him

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Not to make excuses, but we did turn over half of the D line this offseason.

It shouldn't be an excuse... but it is.

Might take a while before we break in our new toys.
I think you have it exactly right (as far as the blueliners are concerned)

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Not to make excuses, but we did turn over half of the D line this offseason.

It shouldn't be an excuse... but it is.

Might take a while before we break in our new toys.
As a neutral fan, I'm not convinced it's the D but I haven't seen all the games. With rookies, they tend to fail to play solid defensive hockey (lack of experience or physical immaturity) and will bleed goals against (or bleed as many goals as they score).

EDIT: With rookies, you have to shelter them from tough competition (Iginla, Thornton, etc.) which means the vets have to take own tougher minutes and usually that means a production drop. Last year with the Oilers, the kids got soft soft minutes and the vets suffered.

To expect a playoff spot while playing 3-5 rookies a night is a bit much. I did a quick study on rookies vs. team records in 06-07 and only found the Penguins (with Malkin and Staal) and San Jose (Clowe, Pavelski, Vlasic, Carle) with significant rookie time and playoff spots. Even Statsny + Wolski couldn't push the Avs into the playoffs. Both the young Oilers and Blackhawks failed in their playoff push last season too.


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