O'Byrne may play with Hamrlik, but he is NOT our #4 defencemen on the depth chart.
but he still gets #4 dman minutes because he plays with hamrlik whos #3......so obyrne and hamrlik get more minutes than bouiliion and gorges thus making obyrne the 4th dman
Higgins has a better shot than Lats, he plays with Koivu on the 2nd line. Lats should be down on the 3rd line. We have so much depth now that S. Kost is on the 3rd line when he is top 2 line material.
Lats is a better finisher/shot but Higgins is a better all around player.
but he still gets #4 dman minutes because he plays with hamrlik whos #3......so obyrne and hamrlik get more minutes than bouiliion and gorges thus making obyrne the 4th dman
on 5 on 5 play when we are rolling 3 defence pairings yes he will get more time.
However Gorges will get more PK time than O'B and he'll be used late in periods in critical spots more than O'B will... so Gorges usually ends up with more minutes in total; especially in tight games.
on 5 on 5 play when we are rolling 3 defence pairings yes he will get more time.
However Gorges will get more PK time than O'B and he'll be used late in periods in critical spots more than O'B will... so Gorges usually ends up with more minutes in total; especially in tight games.
whatever point is all dman matter whether its ur 1st dman or ur last they all will play, thus making all dman important besides brisebois
bingo my friend, I hoped for that lineup all summer long... it just seems like its well balanced... moreso than having lats on the third with lang.
with that lineup, you take pressure off of higgins shoulders while putting him in a productive line still, and you give guillaume a chance to get the most out of his game....
1 GP ... trio records 10 pts.... it would be abselutely insane to put higgins back on that line, unless carbo decides that it would be a lack of respect towards higgins to put him on the 3rd line rightaway.
bingo my friend, I hoped for that lineup all summer long... it just seems like its well balanced... moreso than having lats on the third with lang.
with that lineup, you take pressure off of higgins shoulders while putting him in a productive line still, and you give guillaume a chance to get the most out of his game....
1 GP ... trio records 10 pts.... it would be abselutely insane to put higgins back on that line, unless carbo decides that it would be a lack of respect towards higgins to put him on the 3rd line rightaway.
with that lineup, you take pressure off of higgins shoulders while putting him in a productive line still, and you give guillaume a chance to get the most out of his game....
Chris Higgins is a 25 year old with three seasons under his belt.
Guillaume Latendresse is a 21 year old with two seasons under his belt.
Why in the bloody hell are you "giving a chance" to Gui to get the "most out of his game" and not Chris Higgins?
And it would be absolutely insane to take a guy with 33 NHL goals in his whole career and put him in a spot that was reserved for another kid (He's only 2 years older than me but in the NHL, he is a kid) who scored 27 goals in just his last season.
When Higgins comes back, the Koivu/Tanguay's line is only going to increase with production. And you know what? So will the Lang/Kostitsyn line.
Chris Higgins is a 25 year old with three seasons under his belt.
Guillaume Latendresse is a 21 year old with two seasons under his belt.
Why in the bloody hell are you "giving a chance" to Gui to get the "most out of his game" and not Chris Higgins?
And it would be absolutely insane to take a guy with 33 NHL goals in his whole career and put him in a spot that was reserved for another kid (He's only 2 years older than me but in the NHL, he is a kid) who scored 27 goals in just his last season.
When Higgins comes back, the Koivu/Tanguay's line is only going to increase with production. And you know what? So will the Lang/Kostitsyn line.
Not that i agree or disagree with you about your point , but i just want to say that you are comparing 2 players that were playing in 2 different situations ; Higgins didn't score 27 goals on a 3th - 4th line , with a limited ice time , with linemates like Dandeneault and Kostopoulos , with close to no PP time .
Not that i agree or disagree with you about your point , but i just want to say that you are comparing 2 players that were playing in 2 different situations ; Higgins didn't score 27 goals on a 3th - 4th line , with a limited ice time , with linemates like Dandeneault and Kostopoulos , with close to no PP time .
Latendresse didn't score the majority of his goals with Dandenault, Smolinski and Kostopolous either. Goto canadiens.com and look over the games that Latendresse scored in. A lot of those goals were going onto the ice when Koivu, Markov, Kovalev, Plekanec, etc. were still on the ice.
Latendresse is a better player when he has better players with him, no question about it. But when Koivu and Higgins spend so much time working together during the season and in the pre-season, and Latendresse spends a lot of time on Lang's wing, its better to keep those combinations together until its clear they are not working.
Latendresse is a better player when he has better players with him, no question about it. But when Koivu and Higgins spend so much time working together during the season and in the pre-season, and Latendresse spends a lot of time on Lang's wing, its better to keep those combinations together until its clear they are not working.
So, your point is that because Higgins and Koivu did 'OK' with each other the past few years, and Lang and Latendresse looked 'OK'(debatable) in preseason then they should be paired together?
That argument is stretched pretty thin. You go with the lines that makes the best team. As of right now, the line that combined for 10 points stays together.
That argument is stretched pretty thin. You go with the lines that makes the best team. As of right now, the line that combined for 10 points stays together.
Higgins is a better player than Latendresse.
Add Higgins to the number one powerplay and that line, its pretty believable, barring bad chemistry (which is doubtful), that the line is going to do even better.
Plus, we're talking about 10 points against the Leafs here. A little perspective, please?
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10 points for the line in 1 game...it's staying together for now.
Latendresse didn't score the majority of his goals with Dandenault, Smolinski and Kostopolous either. Goto canadiens.com and look over the games that Latendresse scored in. A lot of those goals were going onto the ice when Koivu, Markov, Kovalev, Plekanec, etc. were still on the ice.
Latendresse is a better player when he has better players with him, no question about it. But when Koivu and Higgins spend so much time working together during the season and in the pre-season, and Latendresse spends a lot of time on Lang's wing, its better to keep those combinations together until its clear they are not working.
It is clear that Latendresse works well with Koivu.
He has produced with him since he made the team.
10 points for the line in 1 game...it's staying together for now.
Chris Higgins is a 25 year old with three seasons under his belt.
Guillaume Latendresse is a 21 year old with two seasons under his belt.
Why in the bloody hell are you "giving a chance" to Gui to get the "most out of his game" and not Chris Higgins?
And it would be absolutely insane to take a guy with 33 NHL goals in his whole career and put him in a spot that was reserved for another kid (He's only 2 years older than me but in the NHL, he is a kid) who scored 27 goals in just his last season.
When Higgins comes back, the Koivu/Tanguay's line is only going to increase with production. And you know what? So will the Lang/Kostitsyn line.
to me, its all about getting the best out of each player...
and in my humble opinion, latendresse has a far better finish than higgins.... not even close.if you are to have koivu and tanguay to play on the same line, you need a guy that can finish the plays... lats played 11 min last game and recorded 1 g , 2 a. Its just one bloody game, but the instant chemistry those 3 had last game needs to be exploited ...
higgins is fast, with good hands and an eye for goals... an exellent puck carrier... exactly the kind of guy you need beside a robert lang and a s.kos.
I honestly think its a better fit for both lines...
to me, its all about getting the best out of each player...
and in my humble opinion, latendresse has a far better finish than higgins.... not even close.if you are to have koivu and tanguay to play on the same line, you need a guy that can finish the plays... lats played 11 min last game and recorded 1 g , 2 a. Its just one bloody game, but the instant chemistry those 3 had last game needs to be exploited ...
higgins is fast, with good hands and an eye for goals... an exellent puck carrier... exactly the kind of guy you need beside a robert lang and a s.kos.
I honestly think its a better fit for both lines...
I agree and that is without going into the fact that Tanguay looks better on the Left side than on the Right side.
Latendresse didn't score the majority of his goals with Dandenault, Smolinski and Kostopolous either. Goto canadiens.com and look over the games that Latendresse scored in. A lot of those goals were going onto the ice when Koivu, Markov, Kovalev, Plekanec, etc. were still on the ice.
Latendresse is a better player when he has better players with him, no question about it. But when Koivu and Higgins spend so much time working together during the season and in the pre-season, and Latendresse spends a lot of time on Lang's wing, its better to keep those combinations together until its clear they are not working.
The argument works also on the other way ; If Latendresse would have played all the season with the top players , he would have had a lot more goals than the 16 he got . Maybe it would have been more than the 27 goals of Higgins .
And i am going to say something againts the general beleif ; i don't think that Higgins and Koivu are working so welll together . If you look at their productions last season , you will see that they needed the PP to get their points , but were ineffective most of the time at ES . Higgins was more productive when he was playing with AKos and Plekanec the previous season . I think that Koivu- Latendresse worked as much as Koivu-Higgins . I would like to know the players Koivu would select to play with him . I wouldn't surprised to see Latendresse on his short list , even more now that he's faster
Last edited by goalchenyuk: 10-13-2008 at 05:44 PM.
