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His rookie year was rough and was known to take dumb obstruction penalties, but he stopped those penalties a long time ago was actually decent post-foot injury:
At the WHC, he played pretty well for Team USA. Decent PKer. Is huge. Has upside remaining. Zero offense tho'.
$3M/yr is a bit high for a #5-#6, but at least the contract bought 4 years of UFA years.
No, he was flat-out awful as an Oiler from start to finish. Especially the 06-07 season, his only full healthy year so far.
He's a dumb player, can't read the play, lacks mobility, takes too many dumb penalties, and has no offensive skill whatsoever. Calgary and Vancouver fans were disappointed when he was traded out of the division.
As a player, I'd rate him about on par with Rob Davison, who the Canucks signed to a one-year, $600k deal during the offseason.
This is the worst contract in the NHL. Kind of in disbelief, actually.
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Only he's not one in L.A. He was Johnson's partner until Johnson got hurt. ie. top 2 minutes. He's also an assistant captain. He's looked far better than Oiler fans were telling us he would.
Because 3 games is a great sample size, of course. As opposed to the 200 or so games he played as an Oiler.
He'll regress, and this deal will end up being awful.
Only he's not one in L.A. He was Johnson's partner until Johnson got hurt. ie. top 2 minutes. He's also an assistant captain. He's looked far better than Oiler fans were telling us he would.
So playing that role on the Kings (and actually, O'Donnell and Preissing are both averaging more TOI than Greene) means that he's not a bottom-pairing defenseman throughout the rest of the league?
And as for "looking better" than what Oilers fans said...it's been three games. Oilers fans watched the rest of his career, including his stunning 1 point season last year in which he was their #6 guy.
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3 games is too small of a sample size, but using last year to prove this year doesn't make sense either. Sometimes players get better. So far, Greene looks like he's done that. Will it last? Who knows. But considering he hasn't played a single day of it, it's way too early to call it the worst contract in the NHL.
I will admit, it's only been 3 games, but he has looked good. It could be that he's playing for the right coach, in the right system. He does have good defensive upside, and leadership. His offensive upside is next to nill, but that's not what he's projected to be. I'm happy with the deal. The Kings brass obviously see something in Greene, and if the first 3 games is any indication, I can see why they locked him up to a 5 year deal. If, and I say If, Greene turns out to be the next coming of Jason Smith or Matty Norstrom, they got an absolute steal. If he turns out to be a serviceable 5th-6th d-man, then they overpaid. I'll trust the Kings brass on there evaluation of talent over some fan anyday.
The way I look at it, the Kings are paying two players for almost the same price they would've been paying for the one they traded away (Visnovsky), and they have them locked down to 4 & 5 year deals.
Now, Lombardi, work on Johnson and get him signed to a 4-6 year deal.
I will admit, it's only been 3 games, but he has looked good. It could be that he's playing for the right coach, in the right system. He does have good defensive upside, and leadership. His offensive upside is next to nill, but that's not what he's projected to be. I'm happy with the deal. The Kings brass obviously see something in Greene, and if the first 3 games is any indication, I can see why they locked him up to a 5 year deal. If, and I say If, Greene turns out to be the next coming of Jason Smith or Matty Norstrom, they got an absolute steal. If he turns out to be a serviceable 5th-6th d-man, then they overpaid. I'll trust the Kings brass on there evaluation of talent over some fan anyday.
The way I look at it, the Kings are paying two players for almost the same price they would've been paying for the one they traded away (Visnovsky), and they have them locked down to 4 & 5 year deals.
Now, Lombardi, work on Johnson and get him signed to a 4-6 year deal.
QFT once more.
Let's remember this is Dean Lombardi here. The same Dean Lombardi who stood his ground on extending a core forward with tremendous potential in O'Sullivan. He doesn't just hand out these contracts unless he has a reason.
Then again, there was that Cloutier debacle. And Mcauley.
No, he was flat-out awful as an Oiler from start to finish. Especially the 06-07 season, his only full healthy year so far.
He's a dumb player, can't read the play, lacks mobility, takes too many dumb penalties, and has no offensive skill whatsoever. Calgary and Vancouver fans were disappointed when he was traded out of the division.
As a player, I'd rate him about on par with Rob Davison, who the Canucks signed to a one-year, $600k deal during the offseason.
This is the worst contract in the NHL. Kind of in disbelief, actually.
Because 3 games is a great sample size, of course. As opposed to the 200 or so games he played as an Oiler.
He'll regress, and this deal will end up being awful.
Or the 130 or so games he played in his first three years as a pro. Its not like hes an 6th year pro who hasnt improved as most players tend to do in his age range.
good for greener. he seemed a lot more comfortable in the latter half of the season last year. sure, he's mistake prone and has no offence but he has shown a lot of improvement since he came into the league and he is still improving. it's still overpayment but really, 85% of the contracts given out the last two seasons have been overpayment.
This one might have outdone the Jeffrey Finger contract.
Youre right. A guy going into his 3rd full season who gives up UFA years at 25 years old for 2.9 a year outdoes a 3.5m a year deal for a 29 yr old with one full season in the NHL. Especially when said 29 year old hasnt played a game of that contract. But yeah it really outdoes it.
This deal comes nowhere close to the Finger deal. Not at all. Sometimes contracts arent based on points.
I've always liked Greene I remember watching him in College and thinking he could develop into a Derrian Hatcher with better mobility which would be a pretty decent player, as I and others on the Oiler board watched him play and evolve many of us compared him to Jason Smith with less hockey sense, which is fairly accurate.
He's always been a very good competitor, a great guy in the room, who brings a high level of physicallity to his game, and is tough as *** nails. I do feel he made a lot of questionable reads on down low and cross seam plays leaving his defensive partner out to hang, but I still can't help but like the guy.
It feels like a lot of money to give for what he showed when he was an Oiler, for his sake and the Kings I hope he grows into the contract. His growth as a player seemed to stall in his last year and a bit as an Oiler hopefully he can get it back on track. I do remember MacTavish saying he had the tools to be one of the best defensemen in the league at one time, but MacT also compared Reasoner to Sakic /w less speed so who knows.
He def doesn't deserve Brooks Orpik money but I have a feeling if Greene would've become a UFA he would've gotten anywhere between 2.5-3.25.....That's just the price for a young, tough stay at home guy these days...
I looked at some D who salaries comes to mind...
Jay McKee makes 4 million. Too much, he's older and injury problems.
Willie Mitchell makes 3.5.
Aaron Ward makes 2.5. Older, but reliable.
Corey Sarich makes 3.6.
Greene is younger than Ward but not as good as Mitchell so he is probably around there.
Youre right. A guy going into his 3rd full season who gives up UFA years at 25 years old for 2.9 a year outdoes a 3.5m a year deal for a 29 yr old with one full season in the NHL. Especially when said 29 year old hasnt played a game of that contract. But yeah it really outdoes it.
This deal comes nowhere close to the Finger deal. Not at all. Sometimes contracts arent based on points.
Finger actually had a season where he looked like a quality NHL defender and was effective playing roughly 20 minutes/game on a solid team.
3 crap seasons aren't better than one good season.
David Hale got $700k/year. Rob Davison got $600k. Kurt Sauer got $1.7 and he's actually a decent player. This is the market for a mediocre #6 defender like Matt Greene.
Guys who are *ages* better like Orpik and Commodore and play top-4 minutes just signed deals that pay only slightly more than this.
Finger actually had a season where he looked like a quality NHL defender and was effective playing roughly 20 minutes/game on a solid team.
3 crap seasons aren't better than one good season.
David Hale got $700k/year. Rob Davison got $600k. Kurt Sauer got $1.7 and he's actually a decent player. This is the market for a mediocre #6 defender like Matt Greene.
Guys who are *ages* better like Orpik and Commodore and play top-4 minutes just signed deals that pay only slightly more than this.
Orpik fine but Commodore is just as bad if not worse than Greene..
Orpik fine but Commodore is just as bad if not worse than Greene..
You do know that young players do improve, right? This is one of those deals, with some of the responses on here, I truly hope turns out to be an absolute steal for the Kings. Just so it can shut people's traps.
You do know that young players do improve, right? This is one of those deals, with some of the responses on here, I truly hope turns out to be an absolute steal for the Kings. Just so it can shut people's traps.
umm.. I said Commodore is as bad if not worse for more money.. it already is a fair deal...
2.95 for a a 3-5 defense man is fine. Look how much people are being paid. Were not expecting this guy to be our #1 or #2 defense man obviously the whole league is envious of our depth in our system. Its a stop gap until our defense grows up. Brad Stuart makes just as many mistakes and he got 3.5. Greene is bigger, younger and is making 600,000 less then him.
Also...Canadian fans in general are harder on there players. Matt Greene will be fine in LA and when we get our whole defense together in the next year and a half he will fall into place. And people here will have a little bit more respect for him.
as a Kings' fan here, but trying to look for something positive...
so who knows.
