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10-17-2008, 10:54 PM
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Toronto - Colorado

Avs:
Toskala

Leafs:
Budaj
Wolski

The avs needs a stud goalie and after tonights game im sure most people agree Toskala would be a huge upgrade over Budaj.. but would it be enough of an upgrade to give up Wolski?
I think so.. but im sure most of you dont.

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10-17-2008, 10:58 PM
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Too much for Toskala IMO.

Wolski is a fantastic young player.

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10-17-2008, 11:00 PM
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Plus Toskala is signed through 09/10 for only 4 mil a year.

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10-17-2008, 11:05 PM
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Wolski is signed through the same time, for $2.8M/year.

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For some reason, when I think of Toskala, stud doesn't come to my mind.

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10-17-2008, 11:08 PM
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but im talking about goalies. hard to find a stud for 4 mil. i agree wolski is an awesome young player but adding toskala would make the avs division champs..

and even gives a slim chance for conference champs.

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For some reason, when I think of Toskala, stud doesn't come to my mind.
Yeah, you're not the only one.

The stats don't seem to suggest it, but the Leafs hang him out to dry like 2-3 times a game at least.

30+ save shutout of the Rangers tonight.

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10-17-2008, 11:09 PM
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For some reason, when I think of Toskala, stud doesn't come to my mind.
.... i think hes one of the most underrated goalies in the league.

oh well... but the avs need serious help in goal.

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10-17-2008, 11:10 PM
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they could always see about Khabi.

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10-17-2008, 11:11 PM
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but im talking about goalies. hard to find a stud for 4 mil. i agree wolski is an awesome young player but adding toskala would make the avs division champs..

and even gives a slim chance for conference champs.
I don't think the rest of their team is quite as good as you make it out to be.

Toskala is a mighty fine goalie IMO, but doesn't warrant giving up their best trade chip for.

Obviously Stastny is virtually untouchable, so who would be the next player you'd ask for from the Avs? Wolski.

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they could always see about Khabi.
I'd prefer to give up almost nothing for Khabi than trading Wolski for Toskala.

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I don't think the rest of their team is quite as good as you make it out to be.

Toskala is a mighty fine goalie IMO, but doesn't warrant giving up their best trade chip for.

Obviously Stastny is virtually untouchable, so who would be the next player you'd ask for from the Avs? Wolski.
Well, the Avs can score goals. so, it's not a terrible team.

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Avs:
Toskala

Leafs:
Budaj
Wolski

The avs needs a stud goalie and after tonights game im sure most people agree Toskala would be a huge upgrade over Budaj.. but would it be enough of an upgrade to give up Wolski?
I think so.. but im sure most of you dont.
We'll toss in Stajan and call it a deal.

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10-18-2008, 01:19 AM
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Avs: Toskala

Tor: Budaj and a 1st and a 4th.

If Toronto's smart (and thats a stretch) they should accumulate as many picks as possible and start to get bad quick. If they can a ton a draft picks and make a numer of lottery picks they will retool their system and be good in about 3-4 years.

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10-18-2008, 01:23 AM
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Avs: Toskala

Tor: Budaj and a 1st and a 4th.

If Toronto's smart (and thats a stretch) they should accumulate as many picks as possible and start to get bad quick. If they can a ton a draft picks and make a numer of lottery picks they will retool their system and be good in about 3-4 years.
only if the pick is conditional, and the condition is the avs at least make the playoffs, basically the Foote deal.

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10-18-2008, 01:33 AM
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only if the pick is conditional, and the condition is the avs at least make the playoffs, basically the Foote deal.
I mean seriously Toronto should be shredding payroll accumlating as many 1st and 2nds and aiming for the lottery.

They are not going to be good so why settle for pittling at the bottom of the eastern confernce with huge contracts.

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Avs: Toskala

Tor: Budaj and a 1st and a 4th.

If Toronto's smart (and thats a stretch) they should accumulate as many picks as possible and start to get bad quick. If they can a ton a draft picks and make a numer of lottery picks they will retool their system and be good in about 3-4 years.
As a leaf fan i'd be all over that.

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10-18-2008, 12:49 PM
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The Leafs would at least require getting back what they gave up for Toskala in a deal...otherwise there is no point in dealing him. Plus, with so many teams getting poor goaltending performances at this point, TO would be dealing from a position of strength.

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1st 2007 (SJ's option for 2007 or 2008)
2nd 2007
4th 2009

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Toskala
Mark Bell


So the thought of a 1st and a 4th with Budaj is not close to this at all. Also Mark Bell was added as a salary dump, which in theory would mean that he had negative value, so if TOR can't dump a high priced guy, the Leafs would need to get another good pick along with it.

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The Leafs would at least require getting back what they gave up for Toskala in a deal...otherwise there is no point in dealing him. Plus, with so many teams getting poor goaltending performances at this point, TO would be dealing from a position of strength.

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1st 2007 (SJ's option for 2007 or 2008)
2nd 2007
4th 2009

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Toskala
Mark Bell


So the thought of a 1st and a 4th with Budaj is not close to this at all. Also Mark Bell was added as a salary dump, which in theory would mean that he had negative value, so if TOR can't dump a high priced guy, the Leafs would need to get another good pick along with it.

Just because JFJ overpaid for him doesn't mean that's what Toskala's value is..

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I wouldn't be completely against it but I don't see fair value going to the Leafs, IMO. Wolski is pretty good but I'm not a fan of Budaj at all.

Toskala as starter and Raycroft as backup Brings back memories..

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Avs: Toskala

Tor: Budaj and a 1st and a 4th.

If Toronto's smart (and thats a stretch) they should accumulate as many picks as possible and start to get bad quick. If they can a ton a draft picks and make a numer of lottery picks they will retool their system and be good in about 3-4 years.
i think we could base a trade off that. The other pick would have to be higher IMO, but thats really not a big deal, the concept is there. maybe a second if you guys make the playoffs, a third if you dont?

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For some reason, when I think of Toskala, stud doesn't come to my mind.
you HAVE to watch the rangers game. He was hung out to dry and completely stole us a point.

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I think Colorado waits before any panic sets in. Come back in December.

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Avs: Toskala

Tor: Budaj and a 1st and a 4th.

If Toronto's smart (and thats a stretch) they should accumulate as many picks as possible and start to get bad quick. If they can a ton a draft picks and make a numer of lottery picks they will retool their system and be good in about 3-4 years.
I would think there would have to be assurances/stipulations for Colorado to give up a 1st in a good draft year. I would think a 1st if they make the playoffs, 2nd and 3rd if they don't. TO fans can give up the dream of having multiple top 10 picks in next years draft.

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