You can have any opinion you want . But in my book any hit to the head is a dirty hit and should be punished by the league with at least a 5 min pen. or a suspension. Someone could get killed with a hit like that. One hockey death this week is enough.
You guys go play hockey and take a hit like that and ...then....see if you think its a dirty hit.
Problem: Any clean hit can become a hit to the head if your timing is a bit off. Look at the Downie hit on McAmmond: if Downie had arrived a split-second earlier, he catches McAmmond in the chest, and nobody complains.
The game moves so fast that there's simply no way to eliminate hits to the head, other than eliminating hitting altogether.
Problem: Any clean hit can become a hit to the head if your timing is a bit off. Look at the Downie hit on McAmmond: if Downie had arrived a split-second earlier, he catches McAmmond in the chest, and nobody complains.
The game moves so fast that there's simply no way to eliminate hits to the head, other than eliminating hitting altogether.
the league already punishes the way you think they should not.
When a player hits someone along the boards in a split second it can become illegal if the guy is facing the boards. thats the game. if you throw a hit you know there is a chance it could cause problems. players wont stop hitting because of that...they certainly are not now.
Another example is stick work....blood is an automatic 4 minutes...push too hard by 1 mm and you have blood....
there again is the game. anyone who thinks hits to the head should not be penalised should stop watching hockey and watch wrestling instead. there simply should be no excuse for it...
According to Habsinsideout Carbo says he's "unlikely" to play against the Panthers. I'm not sure what that means, it's pretty obvious there is no way he's going to play tomorrow even if he didn't have a concussion, with 4 full days off until our next game.
But I love how what Sergei did merits a "roughing" penalty but throwing your hands up towards a guys head is nothing. Never heard of hitting with your shoulder? Ah whatever.
the league already punishes the way you think they should not.
When a player hits someone along the boards in a split second it can become illegal if the guy is facing the boards. thats the game. if you throw a hit you know there is a chance it could cause problems. players wont stop hitting because of that...they certainly are not now.
Another example is stick work....blood is an automatic 4 minutes...push too hard by 1 mm and you have blood....
there again is the game. anyone who thinks hits to the head should not be penalised should stop watching hockey and watch wrestling instead. there simply should be no excuse for it...
It hasn't been illegal for 100 years, why should it start now?
It hasn't been illegal for 100 years, why should it start now?
Faceoffs after penalties weren't always in the offensive zone until this year... but the league felt that was a good rule. Rules can change over time.
With all we know about concussions... there is no reason to allow hits to the head.
What if crosby gets a concussion tomorrow, and then another when he comes back... and develops problems... does the league want a star like him to retire too young if forced to.
Its a good idea to protect the health of all players.... hits are part of the game and still legal.. but headshots should not be. There is nothing added to the game by going for someone's head instead of their body.
I fail to see the logic of some people. Hits with your forearms/gloves/stick to the head have never been legal hits. The Sauer hit on Kostitsyn was also a prime exemple of what boarding is. He pushed Kostitsyn's head on the boards with his arms. Headshot, boarding, what the hell does it takes to make a hit illegal? I'm all for hitting and Kostitsyn has never been affraid to deliver hard hits. But it's getting ridiculous. Players get away with head hunting now.
Reminds me of the difficulty of getting eye witness accounts by authorities at an accident scene.
If you freeze the frame at 1 sec of the 4 sec clip, Sauer is leaning into Kostitsyn and then using his hands/forearms shoves him towards the boards.
At first I thought Kost's head whip lashed, but after a few reviews, his his feet come up as Sauer applies more force and he pinwheels and lands on his head.
As some have said this appears to have been the most damaging result (his head making contact with the ice).
Is that a head shot ? No
IMO Sauer never hits Kots with his gloves or forearm in the initial contact, and his shoving motion is high in the chest area.
Problem: Any clean hit can become a hit to the head if your timing is a bit off. Look at the Downie hit on McAmmond: if Downie had arrived a split-second earlier, he catches McAmmond in the chest, and nobody complains.
The game moves so fast that there's simply no way to eliminate hits to the head, other than eliminating hitting altogether.
? Downie lept into him. You can't tell me Downie had no idea that launching himself like a projectile at an unsuspecting player could result in a serious concussion. He just plain didn't care.
The guy plays with an edge, he was trying to make a name for himself in preseason. It wasn't the 1st time he threw a big hit in his life & it was premeditated.
Ask any retired player that's played with an edge, they're looking to hurt someone when they hit like that, not make a big hit just for the sake of it. If it results in a concussion, so be it. Normally this type of decimating blow is reserved for the post season, because really, why would you try to end someone's career & make yourself a marked man in the regular season? Make no mistake these hits are done to injure. It doesn't matter if it's a Marchment hit, a Samuelsson hit, a Stevens hit or a Niel hit. They're done to take someone out. The only difference is the legality.
And I'm not talking about a Latendresse on Dimaio type hit where the arm comes up a bit or the shoulder connects with the head.
Now, before people jump on me for comparing Stevens to Samuelsson, Samuelsson was a dirty piece of **** for not following the rules of the game. Stevens injured people according to the rules. Attempt to injure was prevalent in both careers. Clearly, trying to take out someone's hip or knees is a pretty disgusting thing to do...but there is an element of hypocrisy in saying it's sick to destroy Cam Neely's career, but causing someone to have their livelihood altered because they can't even tie their shoes without a dizzy spell is just the nature of the beast.
People are still examining & re-examining the nature of headshots, but you just can't tell me McAmmond was a victim of circumstance & poor timing like Andrei was last night. One is a clear case of recklessness & trying to obliterate another player, the other is a routine hit that went wrong.
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The hit was fine. Kostitsyn left himself vulnerable. If he was aware he would have gotten up, and no one would be complaining, and it would have been the exact same hit.
great news! good to hear it... although I will warn, from a guy that's had 4 concussions (3 mild, one serious), you don't necessarily feel it the day after, so hopefully he's fine, but i wouldn't rush a return either way
Being a Bruin fan and maybe not too welcome here, I just wanna say : I hope Andrei is ok and back on the ice soon.
Most of you know what happened to Patrice Bergeron last season. He lost all of last season but this year he seems fine and playing great hockey. Hope Andrei don't lose much time and fully recovers.
I have my team, you have your's and it wouldn't be much fun if we all cheered for the same team. Andrei, Patrice, all the players are there for our entertainment and we all lose something when a player goes down to injury, no matter who he plays for.
So, here's wishing him all the best and hope all turns out just fine.
Being a Bruin fan and maybe not too welcome here, I just wanna say : I hope Andrei is ok and back on the ice soon.
Most of you know what happened to Patrice Bergeron last season. He lost all of last season but this year he seems fine and playing great hockey. Hope Andrei don't lose much time and fully recovers.
I have my team, you have your's and it wouldn't be much fun if we all cheered for the same team. Andrei, Patrice, all the players are there for our entertainment and we all lose something when a player goes down to injury, no matter who he plays for.
So, here's wishing him all the best and hope all turns out just fine.
Thanks. FWIW, I think the Bruins handled Bergeron in an admirable way... I'm sure the temptation was there to put him in the lineup during the playoffs, but if there was any question about his readiness, they did the smart thing.
As far as Andrei not having headaches, I'm cautiously encouraged by that. I say cautiously because, from what I hear, it's not uncommon after a concussion to feel ok while you're relaxing and become headachy, dizzy, and nauseous when you exert yourself. I assume he's just resting and having tests today; we'll know more after he's tried to skate, presumably in a couple days.
Being a Bruin fan and maybe not too welcome here, I just wanna say : I hope Andrei is ok and back on the ice soon.
Most of you know what happened to Patrice Bergeron last season. He lost all of last season but this year he seems fine and playing great hockey. Hope Andrei don't lose much time and fully recovers.
I have my team, you have your's and it wouldn't be much fun if we all cheered for the same team. Andrei, Patrice, all the players are there for our entertainment and we all lose something when a player goes down to injury, no matter who he plays for.
So, here's wishing him all the best and hope all turns out just fine.
Any fans with some commen sense no matter from which team that are from are always welcome. Unfortunately, lately, your board has not been the most mature and most classy board as far as our team was concerned. But your opinion and your post today is appreciated.
But you do know that your opinion is not shared by the majority of your friends and most were really happy to see what had happened to Kosty even though they didn't know the severity of it.....and then we're being called classless....
That is REALLY good news! No headaches the day after is REALLY good news.
I got a concussion last year. I didn't have any headaches but I did feel dizzy and cloudy for a week or two after.
From what I saw it looked like Sauer raised his elbow towards Andrei's head, sorta like he was reaching out to make sure he made contact. I don't know what the league will think but to me it looked like a head shot.
Being a Bruin fan and maybe not too welcome here, I just wanna say : I hope Andrei is ok and back on the ice soon.
Most of you know what happened to Patrice Bergeron last season. He lost all of last season but this year he seems fine and playing great hockey. Hope Andrei don't lose much time and fully recovers.
I have my team, you have your's and it wouldn't be much fun if we all cheered for the same team. Andrei, Patrice, all the players are there for our entertainment and we all lose something when a player goes down to injury, no matter who he plays for.
So, here's wishing him all the best and hope all turns out just fine.
Ignore Cyrrus he's acting like a bum
Thanks for your thoughts about Andrei man u've just earned the Boons fan base a point
Definitely not a dirty hit. Sauer is just much taller than Kostitsyn, and he was leaning over a bit. Sauer had his hands to his chest and extended with the hit. It was just a hard hit, and Kostitsyn lost his balance and fell, so Sauer's hands ended up high. This kind of hit happens in hockey, and I'm sure some of your players like Komisarek make it from time to time. Hopefully Kostitsyn is ok.
... But you do know that your opinion is not shared by the majority of your friends and most were really happy to see what had happened to Kosty even though they didn't know the severity of it.....and then we're being called classless...
I wouldn't go that far, the majority of Bruin fans realize that injuries, particularly concussions are not laughing matters. That said, there are a few posters on the Bruins board who are unapologetically ignorant.
Why everytime there is a new about the Habs, the Bruins fanbase are creating a thread about it on their own forums. Do you guys have a fixation on us or what?
If Andrei played for the Coyotes, I would have went to the Phoenix board and sent my regards there. This isnt a Mon/Bos thing. This is a player that got hurt and I'm sending best wishes. Whatever the posters on any other board is saying is surely beyond me.
I sincerely wish him the best. That's it.
It's not about being a biased Habs fan. Neil cheapshotted Drury, Bell cheapshotted Alfredsson, Jones cheapshotted Bergeron -- these are all division rivals who got injured in a gratuitous way. It's no different because of the player's team.
It's all in the eye of the beholder
Neil on Drury was cheap
Bell on Alfredsson was a clean hit keep your head up
Jones on Bergeron was cheap but Bergeron should protect his body better in the danger area
Clarkson on Kaberle was a clean hit keep your head up instead of admiring your pass.
Saur on Kostitsyn was a clean hit keep your head up and your only getting driven into the boards.
O Brien on Williams was a cheap hit.
The difference in a lot of these and the hits Holloweg has been throwing around is a player doesn't have the chance to protect himself like Bergeron Williams and Drury's. The Alfredson Kaberle Kostitsyn hits were ones that if they were paying attention wouldn't have happend. Lindros had a short career because he never did learn to keep his head up. The players delivering these hits are just playing the game. Some players pull up and don't hit that hard in those situations but those type of hits have been thrown for years in hockey.
