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Pretty fair value wise, but I don't know think the Pens want to give up Whitney.
How about Staal and a 2nd?
But then the Bruins probably wouldn't do it.
It hurts the defensive depth of the Pens, and the offensive depth of the Bruins.
I know what you mean. The value is pretty good and I would be tempted from a Bruins point of view but yet I am hesitant at the same time. Kessel & Lucic are so young...21 & 20 years of age and it is hard to part with that considering how they have done so far.
Stall & Whitney are no slouches and would fill some holes.
If Pitts is looking for forward depth then they should look at other players in our system.
Letang would be interesting as well. Is he on the table?
I'd drive Lucic to the airport if he was traded for Gonchar or Kaberle, but not Whitney.
I don't think that Lucic has quite proven himself enough to be worth a Franchise Dman....
I don't know why you would scoff at Whitney, if you factor in he was playing on a screwed up foot and still put up 40 points and played great defensively in the playoffs it makes him all the more impressive.
Only reason he is brought up is that I feel he would be the most appealing of the 3 puck moving Dmen Pittsburgh can realistically trade. Letang hasnt proven he can carry the load Offensively, and Goligoski is a rookie, although he has looked damn good, but I think his value is higher with Pittsburgh than it is with the rest of the league.
Pretty fair value wise, but I don't know think the Pens want to give up Whitney.
How about Staal and a 2nd?
But then the Bruins probably wouldn't do it.
It hurts the defensive depth of the Pens, and the offensive depth of the Bruins.
You'd have to add in Whitney or a good puck moving Dmen otherwise Boston would have no reason to do this whatsoever. These types of things are trade offs, we are trading from an area we have a surplus that happens to be the other teams need. Yeah our depth would be hurt for a couple months but when Gonchar returns it won't matter. I think Goligoski can perform Whitney's role on the other point.
The reason I like this trade is for the following....
Glad to hear you like it. If I was Pitts I would like it too.
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Originally Posted by Gooch
I do not know what his value would be to Boston.
Almost zero. I am a huge Staal fan, but he would be the 4th line center on this team. IMO, he's behind Boston's big three. He doesn't have the offensive game that Savard, Krejci, or Bergeron has, so he's not playing 1st or 2nd line center, and while Staal's defensive game is very nice, it's not as good as Bergeron's, so he wouldn't even be the 3rd line center.
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You have to admit though, the value from the Pittsburgh side is there, these guys arent exactly schlubs we are proposing.
Value wise, it might even be fair! But Boston is one of, if not the deepest team in the NHL/AHL at center. Kessel is a center and we converted him to wing.
I know what you mean. The value is pretty good and I would be tempted from a Bruins point of view but yet I am hesitant at the same time. Kessel & Lucic are so young...21 & 20 years of age and it is hard to part with that considering how they have done so far.
Stall & Whitney are no slouches and would fill some holes.
If Pitts is looking for forward depth then they should look at other players in our system.
Letang would be interesting as well. Is he on the table?
See these players in your system were picked out because they fit the certain need that Pittsburgh is looking to fill.
I am sure Letang would be considered, but honestly if you're looking for a more reliable puck mover Whitney would be better.. and has shown he can work a PP unit, whereas Letang is logging big minutes now but is usually playing on the PP2 unit while the Rookie Goligoski is on the PP1
Glad to hear you like it. If I was Pitts I would like it too.
Almost zero. I am a huge Staal fan, but he would be the 4th line center on this team. IMO, he's behind Boston's big three. He doesn't have the offensive game that Savard, Krejci, or Bergeron has, so he's not playing 1st or 2nd line center, and while Staal's defensive game is very nice, it's not as good as Bergeron's, so he wouldn't even be the 3rd line center.
Value wise, it might even be fair! But Boston is one of, if not the deepest team in the NHL/AHL at center. Kessel is a center and we converted him to wing.
Fine then. Since Staal was our biggest trade piece, what would be in your mind a fair trade that would send Kessel and Lucic to the Penguins... Keep in mind to not include Crosby, Malkin, Fleury in your proposal and also realize that Gonchar has a NTC.
Fine then. Since Staal was our biggest trade piece, what would be in your mind a fair trade that would send Kessel and Lucic to the Penguins... Keep in mind to not include Crosby, Malkin, Fleury in your proposal and also realize that Gonchar has a NTC.
Nothing. A trade would not work between these two teams.
Since Crosby, Malkin, Fleury and Gonchar can not be included i agree.
I was stopping people from making stupid responses where they would put up a 100+ point young player in return for guys who are 20+ point players. Boston needs puck movers and thats something Pittsburgh has a lot of and they are avaliable for trade. These guys arent exactly superstars we're asking for here, stop treating them like they are.
I was stopping people from making stupid responses where they would put up a 100+ point young player in return for guys who are 20+ point players. Boston needs puck movers and thats something Pittsburgh has a lot of and they are avaliable for trade. These guys arent exactly superstars we're asking for here, stop treating them like they are.
Jeez, who cares, it's the Trade board. You are taking this way too seriously.
Personally, I'd rather the B's trade for Letang, but I doubt they give him up.
As far as I know, it was a Pens fan who posted this proposal.
The fact is, I wouldn't want Kessel traded for Whitney - it hurts the Bruins more than the Pens.
If the B's had to trade Kessel/Lucic, I'd rather them target a defenseman like Burns or Weber - which would cost an arm, a leg, and more.
I think you're overrating those guys quite a bit to think they would land Burns or Weber... Kessel has a promising start to this season but its a gamble as to whether he can maintain it or not. His performance in seasons prior wasnt really impressive at all. Lucic is a unique kind of player but not a young superstar.
Whitney had a 59 point season before his foot got all messed up last year and he still managed to put out a 40 point season. The guy is no slouch when it comes to the puckmoving department. He is signed long term to a bargain contract, especially by today's standards... The contract ups his value as well. His value probably is a little low until he returns back from surgery but I would imagine that when he gets back and he performs strongly his value will skyrocket. That is the gamble you would take with him.
I don't understand why people were so eager to offer up Kessel for an impending UFA Gaborik who probably will go wherever the cash is the greatest and then scoff at the idea of getting two very good low 1st round players who would be around for a hell of a lot longer than just 1 season.
Another center-converted-winger is the last thing the Penguins need anyway. If Staal is traded its going to be for a natural winger, else were right back in the same spot, only the new center-converted-winger is not a penalty killer. And then we throw in a top 5 point producing defenseman and only get back Lucic???
I think you're overrating those guys quite a bit to think they would land Burns or Weber... Kessel has a promising start to this season but its a gamble as to whether he can maintain it or not. His performance in seasons prior wasnt really impressive at all. Lucic is a unique kind of player but not a young superstar.
Whitney had a 59 point season before his foot got all messed up last year and he still managed to put out a 40 point season. The guy is no slouch when it comes to the puckmoving department. He is signed long term to a bargain contract, especially by today's standards... The contract ups his value as well. His value probably is a little low until he returns back from surgery but I would imagine that when he gets back and he performs strongly his value will skyrocket. That is the gamble you would take with him.
I don't understand why people were so eager to offer up Kessel for an impending UFA Gaborik who probably will go wherever the cash is the greatest and then scoff at the idea of getting two very good low 1st round players who would be around for a hell of a lot longer than just 1 season.
You're not reading my posts properly....
I said it would cost an arm, a leg, and much more. Obviously that means more than Lucic and Kessel. ****
No one is eager to offer Kessel for Gaborik, that's news to me. YOU
are just making stuff up now. Bruins fans didn't even want to give him up for Hossa last season.
Another center-converted-winger is the last thing the Penguins need anyway. If Staal is traded its going to be for a natural winger, else were right back in the same spot, only the new center-converted-winger is not a penalty killer. And then we throw in a top 5 point producing defenseman and only get back Lucic???
Kessel has been playing like a natural winger for a long time now. He's been more effective as a winger than a center in the NHL, and it's showing this season.
I said it would cost an arm, a leg, and much more. Obviously that means more than Lucic and Kessel. ****
No one is eager to offer Kessel for Gaborik, that's news to me. YOU
are just making stuff up now. Bruins fans didn't even want to give him up for Hossa last season.
I saw it proposed in the numerous Gaborik threads, thought it looked silly so that is why it caught my attention.
Another center-converted-winger is the last thing the Penguins need anyway. If Staal is traded its going to be for a natural winger, else were right back in the same spot, only the new center-converted-winger is not a penalty killer. And then we throw in a top 5 point producing defenseman and only get back Lucic???
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Kessel has been playing like a natural winger for a long time now. He's been more effective as a winger than a center in the NHL, and it's showing this season.
There have been a lot of NHL players who play as wing now but were drafted as a Center. It isnt uncommon for them to make the transition properly, just because people think Staal is having difficulty with it doesnt mean other players will as well.
Kessel is looking good at wing right now and for his assets I think the wing position supports his playstyle more than Center does. To me he seems like the ideal speedy winger for Crosby.
Kessel has been playing like a natural winger for a long time now. He's been more effective as a winger than a center in the NHL, and it's showing this season.
LOL I thought this looked familiar, this is pretty much what I proposed on the pens board, you thief!!!
Haha, I actually tried to post on that very thread that a deal like this is in the neighborhood of what I had been thinking about (Whitney + Staal for 2 young wingers) and that I was gonna post it on the main board to see what the response was like, but my post didn't stick I guess.
Good to see so many replies. Of course I don't frame it this way at the time of proposal, but obviously the B's center-depth is prolly the sticking point in a deal like this. Similar to the Pens in that regard. Response is pretty much what I expected.
Besides, this is how GMs get to the trades that really go down...In this case Letang for Lucic
