HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > NHL Eastern Conference > Atlantic Division > Montreal Canadiens
Notices

Tanguay Or Kovalev?

View Poll Results: Who do the habs retain next season?
Alex Tanguay 83 56.85%
Alex Kovalev 63 43.15%
Voters: 146. You may not vote on this poll

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old
10-19-2008, 02:12 PM
  #1
Shabutie
Registered User
 
Shabutie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Ottawa
Country: Portugal
Posts: 15,640
vCash: 500
Tanguay Or Kovalev?

With the UFAs + RFAs that we have to re-sign, it would be damn near impossible to sign all 3 of Koivu, Kovalev and Tanguay. So (hypothetically), if these two wouldn't take a huge hometown discount who between these two do you believe that Gainey will re-sign?

Shabutie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-19-2008, 02:15 PM
  #2
Ape Clutch
Registered User
 
Ape Clutch's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Country: Haiti
Posts: 3,070
vCash: 500
Send a message via MSN to Ape Clutch Send a message via Yahoo to Ape Clutch
Tangs is 28 or 29... heck ya we keep him

and this has nothing to do with bandwagon hopping, honestly guys 28 vs. 36 ?

really?

We'll have everyone back though, (our top 9 atleast) so im not that worried (well maaybe not Lang..but that's it)

Ape Clutch is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-19-2008, 02:16 PM
  #3
Peacock
Registered User
 
Peacock's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Montreal
Country: Canada
Posts: 891
vCash: 500
I'm gonna wait a bit before answering this. Seems like Kovalev hasn't quite hit his stride yet and Tanguay's production could drop as the season goes on.

EDIT: Ape clutch does have a very very good point though.

Peacock is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-19-2008, 02:22 PM
  #4
24 And Counting*
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Deux-Montagnes
Country: Canada
Posts: 102
vCash: 500
I say we keep 'em both.


Kovalev can do a lot of things Tanguay can't and vice-versa...


I'd rather have those 2 guys on my team and know what they are (and are not) capable of than sign a 8$M/year Gaborik and don't know what to expect...

24 And Counting* is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-19-2008, 02:24 PM
  #5
Shabutie
Registered User
 
Shabutie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Ottawa
Country: Portugal
Posts: 15,640
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Peacock View Post
I'm gonna wait a bit before answering this. Seems like Kovalev hasn't quite hit his stride yet and Tanguay's production could drop as the season goes on.

EDIT: Ape clutch does have a very very good point though.
I don't think we should base our answers on point production but rather the players' style. Tanguay I feel makes those around him better, where as Kovalev [I feel] requires others around him to make him better. His style of play can be irritating at times and I feel that he's not going in the same direction as Carbo is. He likes to slow the game pace down, and I don't feel he utilizes his linemates like he could.

Shabutie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-19-2008, 02:24 PM
  #6
TheDamned
"Only in Montréal"
 
TheDamned's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Montréal
Posts: 9,280
vCash: 500
Koivu is gone, we keep both anyway.

Kovalev can win a game by himself, not Tanguay.


Last edited by Habs10Habs: 10-19-2008 at 03:00 PM.
TheDamned is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-19-2008, 02:27 PM
  #7
kovalev47
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 680
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDamned View Post
Kovalev can win a game by himself, not Tanguay.
Agreed.

kovalev47 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-19-2008, 02:27 PM
  #8
Cupmonger
Registered User
 
Cupmonger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Montreal
Country: Armenia
Posts: 3,277
vCash: 500
Really? so soon?

Cupmonger is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
10-19-2008, 02:28 PM
  #9
Shabutie
Registered User
 
Shabutie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Ottawa
Country: Portugal
Posts: 15,640
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by BruinsFansLoveDP View Post
I say we keep 'em both.


Kovalev can do a lot of things Tanguay can't and vice-versa...


I'd rather have those 2 guys on my team and know what they are (and are not) capable of than sign a 8$M/year Gaborik and don't know what to expect...
Unless both of these guys take a huge pay cut, we won't be able to retain them both.

Someone should try to come up with a scenario where we could sign both of these guys AND Higgins, Plekanec, Komisarek, Koivu, Chipchura, Latendresse... Cuz from my calculations it is very much impossible. Not to mention we have to give ourselves a little breathing room to sign Price in the season after.

Shabutie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-19-2008, 02:28 PM
  #10
wedge
Registered User
 
wedge's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: victoriaville
Country: Canada
Posts: 5,263
vCash: 500
I've voted Kovalev because it's been 5 ******** GAMES!!!

come on!!! wait a few months before doing that kind of polls!!!

wedge is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-19-2008, 02:28 PM
  #11
CanadienErrant*
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Country: Cook Islands
Posts: 4,956
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ape Clutch View Post
Tangs is 28 or 29... heck ya we keep him

and this has nothing to do with bandwagon hopping, honestly guys 28 vs. 36 ?

really?

We'll have everyone back though, (our top 9 atleast) so im not that worried (well maaybe not Lang..but that's it)
I would like to keep BOTH, but age factor might command to keep Tanguay instead of Kovy if $$$ is on the line.

CanadienErrant* is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-19-2008, 02:28 PM
  #12
Shabutie
Registered User
 
Shabutie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Ottawa
Country: Portugal
Posts: 15,640
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDamned View Post
Koivu is gone, we keep both anyway.
Koivu is gone in order to keep Kovalev/Tanguay? I very much doubt that.

Shabutie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-19-2008, 02:29 PM
  #13
redmachine54
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 677
vCash: 500
It's a tough one if we could only keep either one. Personally I'd go for Tanguay, as he's much younger and would be around much longer than Kovalev, but Kovalev can change a game on his own. Tanguay does give us a top-line winger for a lot longer, though.

I hope it doesn't come to this at the end of the season, but we'll see.

redmachine54 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-19-2008, 02:29 PM
  #14
Shabutie
Registered User
 
Shabutie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Ottawa
Country: Portugal
Posts: 15,640
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Komisarev View Post
I've voted Kovalev because it's been 5 ******** GAMES!!!

come on!!! wait a few months before doing that kind of polls!!!
Okay, say both finish with 80pts a piece, who do you keep?

Shabutie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-19-2008, 02:32 PM
  #15
redmachine54
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 677
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Komisarev View Post
I've voted Kovalev because it's been 5 ******** GAMES!!!

come on!!! wait a few months before doing that kind of polls!!!
TC doesn't mention the play of either Tanguay or Kovalev, so I don't think the topic's motivated by their current play. It's a realistic question that Gainey may face (provided neither is traded, which they shouldn't be) at the end of the season.

This question was asked before the season started, as well. I don't think their current play really factors into it.

redmachine54 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-19-2008, 02:32 PM
  #16
JMMR
Registered User
 
JMMR's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Kingston
Country: Canada
Posts: 9,350
vCash: 500
Send a message via MSN to JMMR Send a message via Yahoo to JMMR
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDamned View Post
Kovalev can win a game by himself, not Tanguay.
Kovalev is a God.
Tanguay is a demi god.

JMMR is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-19-2008, 02:32 PM
  #17
guest1467
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 24,824
vCash: 500
I think we can keep all three, I don't see Kovalev and Koivu getting any raises and Tanguay may get 6 million max. We have (I think) around 11 million coming off the books. I think if one of two were to go it would be Tanguay. Kovalev is a big leader on this club and has a gamebreaker factor that Tangs doesn't have.

guest1467 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-19-2008, 02:33 PM
  #18
Ape Clutch
Registered User
 
Ape Clutch's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Country: Haiti
Posts: 3,070
vCash: 500
Send a message via MSN to Ape Clutch Send a message via Yahoo to Ape Clutch
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDamned View Post
Koivu is gone, we keep both anyway.
so we lose Koivu and Lang... what are ur plans at center?

or u rather keep Lang instead of Koivu? honestly... I like Koivu and Kovalev what the heck is this idea that if u like one u must hate the other?

and don't say u don't hate him... fair enough hate is a strong word, but it seems to me that any opportunity to move Koivu u want to move him?

honestly ppl who want koivu moved... we just now got our 3rd center to terrorize the league with 3 offensive lines and you ppl want to move Koivu?

huh? even the Gaborik for Koivu + pick etc... was retarded as a proposal... who do we play our top 9 wingers with? Lapierre? Chipchura?

really?

Ape Clutch is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-19-2008, 02:41 PM
  #19
Shabutie
Registered User
 
Shabutie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Ottawa
Country: Portugal
Posts: 15,640
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by redmachine54 View Post
TC doesn't mention the play of either Tanguay or Kovalev, so I don't think the topic's motivated by their current play. It's a realistic question that Gainey may face (provided neither is traded, which they shouldn't be) at the end of the season.

This question was asked before the season started, as well. I don't think their current play really factors into it.
Exactly....I'm not asking based on current play.

Shabutie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-19-2008, 02:41 PM
  #20
guest1467
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 24,824
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ape Clutch View Post
so we lose Koivu and Lang... what are ur plans at center?

or u rather keep Lang instead of Koivu? honestly... I like Koivu and Kovalev what the heck is this idea that if u like one u must hate the other?

and don't say u don't hate him... fair enough hate is a strong word, but it seems to me that any opportunity to move Koivu u want to move him?

honestly ppl who want koivu moved... we just now got our 3rd center to terrorize the league with 3 offensive lines and you ppl want to move Koivu?

huh? even the Gaborik for Koivu + pick etc... was retarded as a proposal... who do we play our top 9 wingers with? Lapierre? Chipchura?

really?
He never said anything about Koivu being moved. Regardless, I don't want to see Koivu gone at all but we do have Chipchura and Maxwell who could both be ready for offensive roles at center.

guest1467 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-19-2008, 02:41 PM
  #21
Ape Clutch
Registered User
 
Ape Clutch's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Country: Haiti
Posts: 3,070
vCash: 500
Send a message via MSN to Ape Clutch Send a message via Yahoo to Ape Clutch
Quote:
Originally Posted by buddahsmoka1 View Post
I think we can keep all three, I don't see Kovalev and Koivu getting any raises and Tanguay may get 6 million max. We have (I think) around 11 million coming off the books. I think if one of two were to go it would be Tanguay. Kovalev is a big leader on this club and has a gamebreaker factor that Tangs doesn't have.
I can see us signing all 3

If these 3 are intelligent (which they are) they are all gonna take a home town discount

12 for all 3 of them, It can happen and I will dream the dream

Ape Clutch is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-19-2008, 02:42 PM
  #22
Shabutie
Registered User
 
Shabutie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Ottawa
Country: Portugal
Posts: 15,640
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by buddahsmoka1 View Post
He never said anything about Koivu being moved. Regardless, I don't want to see Koivu gone at all but we do have Chipchura and Maxwell who could both be ready for offensive roles at center.
TheDamned said "Koivu is gone" so yes he was speaking about Koivu being moved in favor of Kovalev or Tanguay...

Obviously this wouldn't happen.

Shabutie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-19-2008, 02:43 PM
  #23
guest1467
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 24,824
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ape Clutch View Post
I can see us signing all 3

If these 3 are intelligent (which they are) they are all gonna take a home town discount

12 for all 3 of them, It can happen and I will dream the dream
I don't see how Koivu or Kovalev could warrant a more expensive contract considering they are now 4 years older and have similar point production as when the original contracts were awarded.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Shabutie View Post
TheDamned said "Koivu is gone" so yes he was speaking about Koivu being moved in favor of Kovalev or Tanguay...

Obviously this wouldn't happen.
No, he could be implying that they would let him walk.

guest1467 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-19-2008, 02:44 PM
  #24
Cyrrus147
Registered User
 
Cyrrus147's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Montreal
Country: Canada
Posts: 2,897
vCash: 500
Tanguay because he is younger...but I don't see why we should have to choose between the two.

Cyrrus147 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-19-2008, 02:45 PM
  #25
CanadienErrant*
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Country: Cook Islands
Posts: 4,956
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by buddahsmoka1 View Post
He never said anything about Koivu being moved. Regardless, I don't want to see Koivu gone at all but we do have Chipchura and Maxwell who could both be ready for offensive roles at center.
I would not put the name "Chipchura" and the word "offensive" in the same sentence. Jason Ward and Chad Kilger are the types of players that Chipchura is closer to in style and talent.

As for Maxwell, let's wait until his first pro season in Hamilton ta make a real judgement on his abilities and possibilities to make the NHL soon.

CanadienErrant* is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:26 PM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. ©2014 All Rights Reserved.