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10-20-2008, 09:05 PM
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Then the Flyers would have to look elsewhere for defensive help...because they're not getting Kaberle for less than that.
Do you honestly think that Carter's value hasn't increased since the trade deadline last year?? I mean he totally took over the Flyers when Richards went down, and without him, the Flyers would never had made the playoffs. He's made HUGE strides defensively, and he's becoming more consistent offensively. There is absolutely no way that the Flyers are trading Carter and a 1st round pick for Kaberle anymore. Especially with the amount of defenders they have on contract, and how much Carter brings to the Flyers, offensively and defensively.

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Kaberle + Stralman
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Carter + James Van Riemsdyk + 1st
You can't be serious?
Holmgren has a serious mancrush on JVR, and I can't see him being traded until he atleast has a year under his belt in the NHL.


Carter is not being traded people, if he was going to be traded, it would of happened this summer. Stop with these proposals.

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10-20-2008, 09:09 PM
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Kaberle + Stralman
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wtf.. lock this thread now.

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10-20-2008, 09:14 PM
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Then the Flyers would have to look elsewhere for defensive help...because they're not getting Kaberle for less than that.
the flyers have no reason to trade carter. they have other assets that can be used to acquire a defenseman that isn't kaberle.

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10-20-2008, 10:22 PM
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TO PHI: Kaberle + Kubina + Steen + Stajan

TO TOR: Carter + Lupul + Knuble + Giroux/2nd

Flyers completely solidify their defense and add some speed up front. They have long coveted Steen.

Leafs add their potential #1 centre in Carter and more pop up front. The cap hits are pretty much a wash.


Wow, let me guess...a leafs fan. Take Giroux/2nd out of the deal and its still pretty bad

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10-21-2008, 06:38 AM
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Wow, let me guess...a leafs fan. Take Giroux/2nd out of the deal and its still pretty bad
Wow that would be an underpayment to the Leafs and you think it's bad for the Flyers? Talk about homerism.

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10-21-2008, 06:44 AM
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When will Leaf fans listen to their GM?
They will not be trading to add proven NHLers. If they are going to trade away Kaberle (the rest are spare parts), it will be to build on their plan of young prospects and picks.

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10-21-2008, 06:48 AM
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Kaberle + Stralman
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Glue kills brain cells.

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10-21-2008, 07:46 AM
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We call him Luke Schenn in Toronto
So how long before you guys crucify him?

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10-21-2008, 12:08 PM
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WOW ...Philly robs the Leafs in this deal. ...see my earlier post for the proper/realistic breakdown
Excuse me?

Philly doesn't need defensemen that bad. They've just got injuries. I'm sure they wouldn't mind picking up a decent 2nd pairing offensive defenseman, but they have no need for anything like this.

Carter > Kaberle Carter has shown that he can do everything well and we're still not sure just how good he is offensively because he's too low down on the totem pole to play enough minutes to show us what he's really made of.

Lupul > Kubina Lupul had in incredible season last year. The season Edmonton expected him to have 2 seasons ago. Why would Philly trade him when he's a RFA when his contract is up? Kubina is a UFA next year.

Why would Philly trade Knuble?
He can play on a scoring line or preform well in a checking role as well. A role player. Something they know they'll need come playoff time.

Steen + Stagan's trade value right now = very low. Stagan would be a down grade from Knuble and a 2nd rounder isn't going to even things out.

Let's forget about the fact that a salary cap exists in the NHL today. The Leafs would have to Offer Kaberle, Kubina and their 2009 1st rounder to get Lupul and Carter.

No way that'll happen. Leafs fans would riot.

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10-21-2008, 12:54 PM
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Excuse me?

Philly doesn't need defensemen that bad. They've just got injuries. I'm sure they wouldn't mind picking up a decent 2nd pairing offensive defenseman, but they have no need for anything like this.

Carter > Kaberle Carter has shown that he can do everything well and we're still not sure just how good he is offensively because he's too low down on the totem pole to play enough minutes to show us what he's really made of.

Lupul > Kubina Lupul had in incredible season last year. The season Edmonton expected him to have 2 seasons ago. Why would Philly trade him when he's a RFA when his contract is up? Kubina is a UFA next year.

Why would Philly trade Knuble?
He can play on a scoring line or preform well in a checking role as well. A role player. Something they know they'll need come playoff time.

Steen + Stagan's trade value right now = very low. Stagan would be a down grade from Knuble and a 2nd rounder isn't going to even things out.

Let's forget about the fact that a salary cap exists in the NHL today. The Leafs would have to Offer Kaberle, Kubina and their 2009 1st rounder to get Lupul and Carter.

No way that'll happen. Leafs fans would riot.

Wow you are so off in all your aspects there....just brutal.

No way Carter is worth more than Kaberle. We may not get the supposed Carter and a 1st for him cause carter's value "supposably" went up but we'd be able to get Carter ++ for him.

Kubina is easily worth more than Lupul.

Stajan isn't as high as he should be but he still could bring in a decent return.

I don't even think Toronto wants to trade Steen

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10-21-2008, 01:26 PM
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Leafs > Flyers

why not just lock it..

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10-21-2008, 02:07 PM
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What about something like this....


Kaberle, Stajan, 3rd in 09

for

Carter, Giroux, Upshall , 4th in 09

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10-21-2008, 02:17 PM
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What about something like this....


Kaberle, Stajan, 3rd in 09

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Carter, Giroux, Upshall , 4th in 09
drop stajan, giroux, and upshall and i'd think about it.

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10-21-2008, 02:21 PM
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drop stajan, giroux, and upshall and i'd think about it.
Funny guy.

That's me being generous.

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10-21-2008, 02:21 PM
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What about something like this....


Kaberle, Stajan, 3rd in 09

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Carter, Giroux, Upshall , 4th in 09
Carter isn't being traded, and if he is it will be for Bouwmeester. Besides Kaberle REJECTED the trade last year, what makes you think that he will waive his NMC??

And I highly doubt that Giroux is being traded either, not to mention that I think he has a lot more value than most of you are thinking.

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10-21-2008, 02:22 PM
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Carter isn't being traded, and if he is it will be for Bouwmeester. Besides Kaberle REJECTED the trade last year, what makes you think that he will waive his NMC??
He doesn't have one anymore. It was voided when the Leafs failed to make the playoffs.

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10-21-2008, 02:24 PM
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Funny guy.

That's me being generous.
i'm being completely serious. the flyers have absolutely no reason to trade carter for anything short of massive overpayment. the response i get from TO fans on this issue is that if you want kaberle, you have to pay the price. in that case, i'd rather skip on kaberle, who has already nixed a deal to philly, and move onto someone like jay bouwmeester.

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10-21-2008, 03:15 PM
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Try this...


Kaberle, Stajan, 5th in 09

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Carter, Upshall, Parent, Downie/2nd in 09

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how is this thread still open?

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10-21-2008, 03:58 PM
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Try this...


Kaberle, Stajan, 5th in 09

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Carter, Upshall, Parent, Downie/2nd in 09
Try taking Carter out of any trade you suggest, cause its not going to happen.

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10-21-2008, 04:06 PM
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Try this...


Kaberle, Stajan, 5th in 09

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Carter, Upshall, Parent, Downie/2nd in 09
i don't believe that the flyers have too much interest in stajan and the 5th round pick is just a throw-in at this point. also, the flyers don't have a 2nd in 09 (or '10 for that matter). this proposal would really gut the flyers, which isn't what they're looking to do. we just need a top-4 defenseman to fill in while parent and jones get healthy. filling a hole would be stupid if it meant creating holes elsewhere.

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10-21-2008, 04:16 PM
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Let me say as a LEAFS FAN born in T.O, but am a Flyers fan if leafs are not in the playoffs!

the reason why Kabrele is worth value... How many puck moving defenders are their with the skill of kabrele .... Very good contract (improves value) ..... and puts up the numbers every year!!

BUT

i do not believe he is worth Carter anymore i believe carters stock has risen after his awesome play since march

But to be honest this trade comes down to the GM's descion and their needs for the year! Lets let them make the trades and stop making wishful thinking deals! Thanks

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10-21-2008, 04:22 PM
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Try this...


Kaberle, Stajan, 5th in 09

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Carter, Upshall, Parent, Downie/2nd in 09
lol..


Good luck rebuilding for the next 3 years. Stop trying to rip teams off with your silly ideas.


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10-21-2008, 07:39 PM
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lol..


Good luck rebuilding for the next 3 years. Stop trying to rip teams off with your silly ideas.

I'm not

Cheers

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10-21-2008, 07:53 PM
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God dammit just give us Carter for Kaberle straight up and let all this madness stop.

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