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Petr Kalus leaves the Wild organization; goes to Europe to play...

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10-21-2008, 07:59 PM
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The Wild have a bunch of 3rd and 4th liners in their cupboard. How exciting!


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10-21-2008, 08:00 PM
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Not all prospects work out. Any of those guys tearing it up anywhere? If not, there's nothing to worry about.
Actually Hannula (when he was a prospect) was our Clutterbuck for a long time, Misharin looked good in the CHL, and Sprunger tore it up in Sweden. Kolusz, I criticized that pick. Kalus I was divided on but I knew we needed depth. Voloshenko clearly needed a new team to work with.

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10-21-2008, 08:02 PM
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I'll agree, like I always do about the 2004-05 draft. Those two drafts KILLED our prospect depth. Absolutely murdered it. But the 2006 draft and onwards seemed to have been starting to show signs of hope.
2006 looks bad too IMO.

Fiala - Bust
Medvec - 3 years at best?
Hovinen - Hasn't even cracked the elite league I think. But his numbers have been bad.
Walker - just heard he probably won't come over.
Hickey- Four years to go?

Even 07 looks shaky. The problem is, we don't have a lot of players we draft.

04 hurt because we had a MASSIVE amount of prospects.

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10-21-2008, 08:08 PM
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Work with him? That's why KC is down there. His job is to get these guys into NHL shape. Kalus never responded. He continued to play his way, and that way was not NHL material. There's no concern about losing prospects to Europe when they clearly don't have the attitude and drive necessary for the NHL. Who are the other three top prospects that left and didn't return? Yeah, who cares. It happens with every organization.
None of our prospects have responded yet. Pouliot was handed a job. Who else have been brought up? Irmen and Olvecky been in the system for a while.

It isn't just about top prospects, it's about depth as well and we're getting very, very thin lately. That was exposed in last year's playoff run. Kalus was essentially one of our last top 6 wingers we have as a prospect.

Voloshenko left and he was a highly thought of prospect before he went home. Misharin did well in the CHL. Khudobin left but came back. Sprunger isn't coming over for the Wild it appears and he's a very highly thought of Swiss player.

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That's not bipolar. There hasn't been a whole lot of talent down there since 2005. That's because of a couple bad drafts and early entries into the NHL. That's what low talent will do--BUST. It's a natural part of the hockey world.
So we've been drafting low talent in the 2nd round? That's very encouraging. While no one is asking for a Zetterberg, a Franson would be nice.

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Stoner would probably have seen the NHL last year if he hadn't been injured. That's not showing much?
No he wouldn't have. Read Lemaire's comments on Stoner, Belle, and Scott when Foster went down. And he wasn't injured when we called up Reitz.

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So what if we traded up for Irmen. He was well thought of, and you could see why at the time. Unfortunately he might not have that extra 10% to be an NHL player, but the jury is still out. That's the NORM for 3rd rounders. Touted are not, the facts stand that 3rd rounders have a success rate in the teens.
Again, 2003 is an abnormal draft year. A 2nd rounder in any draft, could slip into the 3rd round in 2003 EASILY. Jury is out on him, he's not doing well in the AHL.

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Better check up on Madsen again. He a rough rookie season but showed more offense late. He's continued that this year--4 points in 4 games. But again, at heart he's a 4th rounder, and the chances are low for anybody drafted then. You can't expect success.
Maybe because he's the only offensive player in Houston. Well we do have Schultz and Locke.

Why were they low? Right, they knew he had talent but he was a Danish player. Unknown.

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10-21-2008, 08:40 PM
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Ohh well atleast we still get the 4th in 09 this upcoming draft no matter what happens with Kalus...

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10-21-2008, 08:43 PM
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2006 looks bad too IMO.

Fiala - Bust
Medvec - 3 years at best?
Hovinen - Hasn't even cracked the elite league I think. But his numbers have been bad. And 0.897 (per hockeydb) doesn't seem terrible for a youngster in the elite league
Walker - just heard he probably won't come over.
Hickey- Four years to go?

Even 07 looks shaky. The problem is, we don't have a lot of players we draft.

04 hurt because we had a MASSIVE amount of prospects.
Fiala = 100% agreed.
Medvec = The time it takes for him to make the AHL/NHL will not determine if he is a bust or not. So I will hold my judgement on him until the Wild loses his rights or he signs a multi-year contract
Hovinen = wrong. He plays for the Pelicans. He started alot of their games in the beginning of the season. Haven't checked recently
Walker = no idea about him but he doesn't sound like a good prospect
Hickey = see medvec


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10-21-2008, 09:21 PM
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Anaheim and Tampa Bay have won cups.

Florida and Ottawa have been to the finals.

Atlanta, Minnesota, Nashville, and San Jose should be lumped into the expansion group that has little success in the playoffs so far. With San Jose and Minnesota having blips of success a few years back.
You're going back too far. We're talking since the late '90s, here. You can't compare the likes of Tampa with Minnesota, but if you did, Minnesota would have the edge based on the first 7 seasons. After that we can't compare yet.

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The Wild have a bunch of 3rd and 4th liners in their cupboard. How exciting!
It's what happens when the current and future 1st and 2nd liners are already in the NHL. Tough problem to have. . .


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2006 looks bad too IMO.

Fiala - Bust
Medvec - 3 years at best?
Hovinen - Hasn't even cracked the elite league I think. But his numbers have been bad.
Walker - just heard he probably won't come over.
Hickey- Four years to go?

Even 07 looks shaky. The problem is, we don't have a lot of players we draft.

04 hurt because we had a MASSIVE amount of prospects.
1. Better include Sheppard in that list.
2. Fiala was a good pick in reality. A little risky, but sometimes injuries keep happening.
3. Medvec - so far, so good.
4. Hovinen - he just needs to play, period. He will this year. Good pick.
5. Walker - yeah, sometimes they don't want to come.
6. Hickey - Hey, a 7th rounder has made a WCHA roster

2007 looks even better! It's only 5 guys, but all 5 have shown good progress. It's not shaky in the least, especially when only one was drafted in the top-3 rounds. If we drafted more guys, you'd only whine about more names that will bust out.


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So we've been drafting low talent in the 2nd round? That's very encouraging. While no one is asking for a Zetterberg, a Franson would be nice.

No he wouldn't have. Read Lemaire's comments on Stoner, Belle, and Scott when Foster went down. And he wasn't injured when we called up Reitz.

Again, 2003 is an abnormal draft year. A 2nd rounder in any draft, could slip into the 3rd round in 2003 EASILY. Jury is out on him, he's not doing well in the AHL.

Maybe because he's the only offensive player in Houston. Well we do have Schultz and Locke.

Why were they low? Right, they knew he had talent but he was a Danish player. Unknown.[/QUOTE]

2nd round? No way. It's the been the opposite. We've drafted high talent (aside from Kassian) that hasn't worked out for odd reasons, like homesickness and injury. The low talent has come from the likely sources - mid/late rounders.

Yes, he very well could have. Read the assistant GM's comments. Reitz was the best choice at the time, too. Stoner wasn't leaping over him. Either way, you've said all along that Stoner has stalled because of injuries, not his play.

2003 was abnormal - for the first two rounds. Currently I count 5 NHL players from the 2003 3rd round. All of them are depth players at this point. Do the math - 5/30. Bingo, right in the normal range. In fact, the lack of an impact player to this point means it probably was a below normal 3rd round. Obviously normally solid 2nd rounders weren't slipping into the 3rd that year.

Locke, Schultz, Kolanos, and the others are nothing to scoff at. That's legitimate offense there. Madsen is far from the only offensive player. Unknown -exactly why guys like Voloshenko and Kalus flame out. Proves my point.

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10-22-2008, 02:11 AM
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Fiala - Bust
Medvec - 3 years at best?
Hovinen - Hasn't even cracked the elite league I think. But his numbers have been bad.
Walker - just heard he probably won't come over.
Hickey- Four years to go?
Your assessment on Hovinen is way off. He has been very good on a weak team and is the first goalie of Lahti Pelicans. He has two shut-outs and a 2.81 GAA in 14 games in the Finnish elite league.


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10-22-2008, 12:48 PM
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Your assessment on Hovinen is way off. He has been very good on a weak team and is the first goalie of Lahti Pelicans. He has two shut-outs and a 2.81 GAA in 14 games in the Finnish elite league.

Just added a 41-save effort in a 5-4 win. Apparently, the tutelage of Pasi Nurminen and the change of scenery in getting out of Helsinki have done wonders for this young player. The talent and physical ability are definitely there.

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kalus was a better player and more of a star then most euros in the whl in a while. he was more of a star in the dub then gillies ever was. kids got grit , will battle, and isnt soft. went toe to toe with mike gauthier. id welcome kalus on the canucks any day of the week

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10-22-2008, 02:37 PM
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kalus was a better player and more of a star then most euros in the whl in a while. he was more of a star in the dub then gillies ever was. kids got grit , will battle, and isnt soft. went toe to toe with mike gauthier. id welcome kalus on the canucks any day of the week
He was also reckless and hard to coach. The Nucks can have him.

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2. Kalus, at that time, seemed like a decent prospect. Still does. And he seemed satisfied in North America. His aggressive style just didn't fit with Constantine's defensive style, which ended up with dumb penalties, which in the end, resulted him being benched. Him being benched is ultimately what drove him to Europe. I say it was his own fault for not adjusting to the coach's standards. He was just too vicious
It goes both ways.

In terms of thier minor league system, Minnesota's priority should be the development of their prospects's natural talents.....especially offensive players. You don't do that by implementing a defensive system while they're still developing thier skill set.

It's a delicate balance between learning to play within Jacques Lemaire's system and developing an offensive player's skills. IMO, it's total mismanagement on the Wild's part to focus too much on the former.....probably why few skilled players have emerged out of the Wild's minor league system.

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It goes both ways.

In terms of thier minor league system, Minnesota's priority should be the development of their prospects's natural talents.....especially offensive players. You don't do that by implementing a defensive system while they're still developing thier skill set.

It's a delicate balance between learning to play within Jacques Lemaire's system and developing an offensive player's skills. IMO, it's total mismanagement on the Wild's part to focus too much on the former.....probably why few skilled players have emerged out of the Wild's minor league system.
While I understand where you're coming from, I disagree. From what I hear (I'm basing this off Aero posters), Kalus took dumb penalties because of being too reckless and vicious. That is something that is purely on Kalus, not the system. If Constantine has to worry about going onto the PK by putting Kalus out on the ice, Kalus needs to learn how to tone down his game.

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95% of the world is ********... awesome. When put side to side with family, the Stanley Cup is a meaningless trophy, even for a lot of hockey fans.

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