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10-22-2008, 10:59 AM
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Marian Gaborik to the Flames(what would it take)

What would it take for the Calgary Flames to Marian Gaborik. He would look good in a Flames uniform. Accroding to TSN the wild hyas OFFERED Marian Gaborik to another team. Should Sutter make the Wild a better offer and grab him?
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=2533...=headlines_nhl

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10-22-2008, 11:15 AM
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The Flames would have to significantly overpay in order to convince the Wild to deal Gaborik to a division rival.

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Can he play the left side? If not not worth it as Iggy is the number one right winger...

IF Gaborik stays healthy and IF he shows up for the playoffs... big IF's in my mind. I like the team for the most part up front as it is. Bert and Cammy are great plus the younger players. I can not get over how well Bert protects the puck to enter the zone, refreshing over last year.

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Wouldn't the Flames have to dump a hell of a lot of salary to just to make it work? Never mind giving up Backlund, Boyd, and a 1st.

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Never mind giving up Backlund, Boyd, and a 1st.
And quite a bit more

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Did you see that contract that he rejected? That alone makes it not worth pursuing. Then there is his constant injury problem, and thirdly (most importantly) the fact that minny would take nothing less than what I would consider a devastating deal for the Flames organization.


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Gaborik is a great talent, but I wouldn't want to see Sutter give up the type of package he'd need to give up to acquire a guy who is as injury prone as Gaborik. If Sutter were to go after a big acquisition of this sort, I'd much rather see him try and acquire Bouwmeester.

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Now Bouwmeester could be worth a mega deal depending on all the circumstances. Agreed that Gaborik seems like a snitty player in that there seems to be no loyalty to his own team. Look at the Flames and guys like Iggy are clearly taking pay cuts to play here... Gaborik as good as he can be kinds of puts me off when he does that. I will take Bert for $2 mil.

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Gaborik seems like a greedy whiner, always complaining about his team and having high demands. The Flames are built with character players and Gaborik would not fit into that system.

But I do like the Wild as a team and hope they dump him soon so they get his black cloud out of the way.

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10-22-2008, 03:27 PM
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Now Bouwmeester could be worth a mega deal depending on all the circumstances. Agreed that Gaborik seems like a snitty player in that there seems to be no loyalty to his own team. Look at the Flames and guys like Iggy are clearly taking pay cuts to play here... Gaborik as good as he can be kinds of puts me off when he does that. I will take Bert for $2 mil.
Would you take a paycut to stay where you're not happy? Where every single day you're not allowed to be as creative and therefore as successfull as you want to be?

If you would stay in a place like that for less money than you could make where you would be allowed to be creative and feel good about yourself, then that kind of puts me off.

To me, Gaborik has every right to want to play somewhere else where his abilities are used in full.

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Gaborik seems like a greedy whiner, always complaining about his team and having high demands. The Flames are built with character players and Gaborik would not fit into that system.
Yeah wanting to maximize his potential is despicable. Lets call him a greedy whiner and identify his willingness to stand up for himself a complete lack of character

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10-22-2008, 05:13 PM
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Calgary's got other things to focus on next summer: Cammalleri, Bouwmeester, Bertuzzi.

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^^^ I'm with you. No point in paying a player 8+ to play half the season.

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- wild are unlikely to trade to a divisional opponent
- the cost is far too great in terms of what we'd give up in return
- he'd be tough to fit under our cap

gaborik is a great player. he's asking for tons simply because he wants out. i don't blame him. if you were a talented and offensively gifted player, you'd feel suffocated playing in the wild's defensive system. buyer beware though, this guy is made of glass.

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I'm sure he will go to Montreal

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the only thing I can think of is Marion Hossa..... give alot for playoffs then empty handed.

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the only thing I can think of is Marion Hossa..... give alot for playoffs then empty handed.
I see the opposite. I see this as about Money, not winning. I think some of his best chance to win while getting paid is in Minnisota who offered him, repordatly, a very lucractive deal. It was the the placement of the money Gaborik didn't agree to, but it likely has to do with lemaire.

I think Gaborik is overrated simply because he is never healthy enough to help a team. I wouldn't pay him 5 or 6 million let alone 8. I also question his dedication if he is that injury prone.

Would not be a smart investment trade or salary wise for the Flames.

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I don't think that Gaborik fits with the overall team toughness of the Flames. Skilled as hell, but not a great fit. I mean we just dropped Huselius for similar reasons (I know the comparison is a stretch), but there aren't many pure skill players on the Flames and I don't even think we have a single European skater on the roster.

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Marian Gaborik Salary according to HockeyBuzz.com makes 6,333,333

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/cap-central/team.php?team=MIN

My thinking of the Gaborik situation. I am not a big of Gaborik but have an idea of how to use him too our advantage. On trade deadline we deal for Gaborik meaning we will have to make room for 6.3million.
and we send some players to Minnesota. We do not send Backlund or a first rounder.


According to Hockeybuzz.com these players on the Flames are UFA at end of season

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/cap-central/team.php?team=CGY

1. Mike Cammalleri - 3,350,000
2. Todd Bertuzzi - 1,950,000
3. David Moss - 550,000
4. Andre Roy - 550,000
5. Adrian Aucoin - 4,000,000
6. Adam Pardy - 500,000

Total cap 10,900 000 million

Add Gaborik at 6.3 + 10.9 = 17.2 million.
As of October 25th, 2008 Flames have cap of 2.7
Add 17.2 + 2.7 = 19.9 million in Cap space at season end if the Flames do not spend the 2.7 in cap space before then.

The Flames use that 19.9 million in cap space to resign Mike Cammalleri, Todd Bertuzzi and David Moss who will probably want an increase in salary. Andre Roy, and Adam Pardy if they fit into the Flames plan can be resigned.

Then go after Jay Bouwmeester by offering him a two year deal at 10 million. You may say it too much but he makes according to HockeyBuzz.com 4.8 million with Florida so two years at 10 million is not bad.

By this time we added Boumeester and Eliminated Aucoin. Then Sutter can look at other players to fill the roster for the 2009/10 season. By Getting Gaborik at the deadline forces the Flames to eliminate some players to make cap room that will be used at season end to sign some of the Flames UFA and sign some new players.

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Marian Gaborik Salary according to HockeyBuzz.com makes 6,333,333

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/cap-central/team.php?team=MIN

My thinking of the Gaborik situation. I am not a big of Gaborik but have an idea of how to use him too our advantage. On trade deadline we deal for Gaborik meaning we will have to make room for 6.3million.
and we send some players to Minnesota. We do not send Backlund or a first rounder.


According to Hockeybuzz.com these players on the Flames are UFA at end of season

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/cap-central/team.php?team=CGY

1. Mike Cammalleri - 3,350,000
2. Todd Bertuzzi - 1,950,000
3. David Moss - 550,000
4. Andre Roy - 550,000
5. Adrian Aucoin - 4,000,000
6. Adam Pardy - 500,000

Total cap 10,900 000 million

Add Gaborik at 6.3 + 10.9 = 17.2 million.
As of October 25th, 2008 Flames have cap of 2.7
Add 17.2 + 2.7 = 19.9 million in Cap space at season end if the Flames do not spend the 2.7 in cap space before then.

The Flames use that 19.9 million in cap space to resign Mike Cammalleri, Todd Bertuzzi and David Moss who will probably want an increase in salary. Andre Roy, and Adam Pardy if they fit into the Flames plan can be resigned.

Then go after Jay Bouwmeester by offering him a two year deal at 10 million. You may say it too much but he makes according to HockeyBuzz.com 4.8 million with Florida so two years at 10 million is not bad.

By this time we added Boumeester and Eliminated Aucoin. Then Sutter can look at other players to fill the roster for the 2009/10 season. By Getting Gaborik at the deadline forces the Flames to eliminate some players to make cap room that will be used at season end to sign some of the Flames UFA and sign some new players.
Wow are you ever underestimating the salary market. Negotiations for Bouwmeester will START at 7 million per season, length will be minimum 6 years. Cammallerri will start at 5 million and probably higher and Bertuzzi, if healthy and scores 30 plus goals will probably get at least $3.5 million on a new deal.

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10-25-2008, 05:18 PM
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Gaborik is not worth what it would take

and you are underestimating what J.Bo will make Scoring machine... I fully expect him to get 6+ million... something the Flames can also not afford

i also think it will cos the Flames 7.5-9 million combined to retain Bertuzzi and Cammalleri if they continue their strong play... letting Aucoin walk and replacing him with Pardy, Pelech or Negrin could potentially make this possible if the cap doesn't drop

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Gaborik is not worth what it would take

and you are underestimating what J.Bo will make Scoring machine... I fully expect him to get 6+ million... something the Flames can also not afford

i also think it will cos the Flames 7.5-9 million combined to retain Bertuzzi and Cammalleri if they continue their strong play... letting Aucoin walk and replacing him with Pardy, Pelech or Negrin could potentially make this possible if the cap doesn't drop
Well put. I'd love it if that happened too.

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Gaborik isn't worth the money he's asking, or the things the Flames would have to give up.

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the pending UFA I want up front is Nik Antropov

on the blueline a return of Derek Morris interests me going into the playoffs

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