HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > General Hockey Discussion > Trade Rumors and Free Agent Talk
Mobile Hockey's Future Become a Sponsor Site Rules Support Forum vBookie Page 2
Trade Rumors and Free Agent Talk Trade rumors, transactions, and free agent talk. Rumors must contain the word RUMOR in post title. Proposals must contain the word PROPOSAL in post title.

Canuck Revamp!

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old
10-23-2008, 08:53 PM
  #1
Bunter McVirtanen
Registered User
 
Bunter McVirtanen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Vernon, BC
Country: Canada
Posts: 439
vCash: 500
Canuck Revamp!

Trades:

To BOS:

D Kevin Bieksa
2009 5th Round Draft Pick

To VAN:

F Phil Kessel

WHY?
It is obvious that Boston needs a strong, two-way puck-moving D-man, and Bieksa fills that void perfectly. He can fight, hit, score, and provide TONS of spark. Boston has an abundance of quality centres in Savard, Bergeron, and Krejci, and Kessel may be the easiest to overload due to the others' heavy contracts.

To ATL:

F Daniel Sedin
F Henrik Sedin
F Mason Raymond
2009 1st Round Draft Pick

To VAN:
F Ilya Kovalchuk
2009 1st Round Draft Pick

WHY?
Change of scenery can do wonders for the Sedins, especially in the East, where the defense and goalies are considerably weaker. They can be 85-90 point players in the East. Kovalchuk has been rumored to want out of ATL, and he will be reunited with Hossa in VAN.

Signings:

Marian Hossa (81 M / 9 years)
Phil Kessel (20 M / 5 years)
Mattias Ohlund (13 M / 3 years)
Steve Bernier (5 M / 2 years)
Alex Burrows (4 M / 3 years)
Shane O'Brien (2.5 M / 2 years)
Jannick Hansen (2.5 M / 3 years)
Rick Rypien (2.5 M / 3 years)
Rob Davison (700 K / 1 year)
Curtis Sanford (700 K / 1 year)


Kovalchuk - Kessel - Hossa
Demitra - Hodgson - Bernier
Burrows - Kesler - Hansen
Hordichuk - Johnson - Rypien

Mitchell - Salo
Ohlund - Edler
O'Brien - Davison

Luongo
Sanford

Total Cap Hit: ~ 59 M

I think that this is fairly realistic, we stay under the projected cap (estimated to be around 60 M), and we gain one bonafide scoring line, with three superstars, two secondary scoring line, and one goon line. Our top 4 on D are relatively solid, and th bottom 2 provide toughness and grit.

Remember, ATL's pick can be used to draft Hedman (top 2), who can easily be slotted into the top 6 on D.

Bunter McVirtanen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-23-2008, 08:55 PM
  #2
JannikAtTheDisco
No panic it's Jannik
 
JannikAtTheDisco's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: a van in vancouver
Country: Canada
Posts: 12,787
vCash: 500
Holy...

JannikAtTheDisco is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-23-2008, 08:56 PM
  #3
Luongo2008*
 
Luongo2008*'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Country: Canada
Posts: 10,870
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Speedy Kesler View Post
Holy...
......

Luongo2008* is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-23-2008, 08:57 PM
  #4
Blackhawkswincup
Tornado Warning
 
Blackhawkswincup's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Chicagoland
Country: United States
Posts: 118,095
vCash: 157
I have made some bad proposals but i find these to be horrid!

I mean your making Atlanta give up a 1st? Seriously!

Blackhawkswincup is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-23-2008, 08:57 PM
  #5
Macke*
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Vancouver, B.C
Country: Canada
Posts: 6,752
vCash: 500
Should have traded Luongo.

Macke* is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-23-2008, 08:58 PM
  #6
JannikAtTheDisco
No panic it's Jannik
 
JannikAtTheDisco's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: a van in vancouver
Country: Canada
Posts: 12,787
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by KP View Post
......
Just a lot to take in, quite the bold first post.

I think I'd be OK with this if they did this all in the off-season...I dunno if we'd have to deal Sedins, Raymond and 1st, maybe just Sedins and one of Raymond or 1st (More likely 1st)

Edit: Nevermind, didn't see that Atlanta was giving up their first, that is no for ATL right there.

Take out ATL 1st and Raymond and that looks fairly realistic for Kovalchuk at least...

JannikAtTheDisco is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-23-2008, 08:59 PM
  #7
Luongo2008*
 
Luongo2008*'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Country: Canada
Posts: 10,870
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Blackhawkswincup View Post
I have made some bad proposals but i find these to be horrid!

I mean your making Atlanta give up a 1st? Seriously!
LOL, this is his first post.

Luongo2008* is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-23-2008, 08:59 PM
  #8
mrmyheadhurts
Registered Loser
 
mrmyheadhurts's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Vancouver
Country: Canada
Posts: 15,500
vCash: 50
Ha Ha Ha.. You are going to get so flamed.

mrmyheadhurts is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-23-2008, 09:05 PM
  #9
weaponomega
Registered User
 
weaponomega's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Calgary, Alberta
Country: Canada
Posts: 8,838
vCash: 500
Kessel doesn't play center in Boston he plays the wing a position where the B's are not deep. Prior to this season you may have found a couple of B's fans who would have made a Bieksa for Kessel trade, now I doubt there are any.

weaponomega is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-23-2008, 09:05 PM
  #10
Rotang
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Dallas, TX
Country: United States
Posts: 2,362
vCash: 500
Just to add something somewhat constructive - a Bieksa for Kessel swap was actually talked about a lot during this off-season with mixed reaction from both sides.

I doubt Bruins fans would be so favorable after Kessel's start though.

Rotang is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-23-2008, 09:05 PM
  #11
Bunter McVirtanen
Registered User
 
Bunter McVirtanen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Vernon, BC
Country: Canada
Posts: 439
vCash: 500
Ok so let me break down the ATL trade ...

Sedins for Kovalcuhuk
-Essentially 160 points for ~ 100 points (max)
-Sedins getting 80 points each in the tight checking NW division; they will do wonders in the SE

Mason Raymond and our 1st (likely to be roughly the 7-8 pick) for Atl 1st (top 3)

Would it sound better if we also added in a 2010 3rd round?

Bunter McVirtanen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-23-2008, 09:07 PM
  #12
Blackhawkswincup
Tornado Warning
 
Blackhawkswincup's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Chicagoland
Country: United States
Posts: 118,095
vCash: 157
Quote:
Originally Posted by toddbertuzzi712 View Post
Ok so let me break down the ATL trade ...

Sedins for Kovalcuhuk
-Essentially 160 points for ~ 100 points (max)
-Sedins getting 80 points each in the tight checking NW division; they will do wonders in the SE

Mason Raymond and our 1st (likely to be roughly the 7-8 pick) for Atl 1st (top 3)

Would it sound better if we also added in a 2010 3rd round?
Aren't the Sedins going to be UFA's soon?

Blackhawkswincup is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-23-2008, 09:09 PM
  #13
Bunter McVirtanen
Registered User
 
Bunter McVirtanen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Vernon, BC
Country: Canada
Posts: 439
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Blackhawkswincup View Post
Aren't the Sedins going to be UFA's soon?
Yeah, but u given them the NVC, the clause that allows them to only be traded together, and about 6 M pery year, they are all yours.

Bunter McVirtanen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-23-2008, 09:11 PM
  #14
Rotang
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Dallas, TX
Country: United States
Posts: 2,362
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by toddbertuzzi712 View Post
Ok so let me break down the ATL trade ...

Sedins for Kovalcuhuk
-Essentially 160 points for ~ 100 points (max)
-Sedins getting 80 points each in the tight checking NW division; they will do wonders in the SE
The Sedins combined for 44 goals last year while Kovalchuk alone had 52, he tops them even without the benefit of including one of his linemates in the totals.

An argument can be made whether it makes us a better team, as it leaves us WEAK down the middle and the Sedins eat up difficult minutes against the other teams top units. The points argument is just stupid though.

All moot, because ATL doesn't even consider without the Sedins locked up to extensions.

Rotang is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-23-2008, 09:13 PM
  #15
Bunter McVirtanen
Registered User
 
Bunter McVirtanen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Vernon, BC
Country: Canada
Posts: 439
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rotang View Post
The Sedins combined for 44 goals last year while Kovalchuk alone had 52, he tops them even without the benefit of including one of his linemates in the totals.

An argument can be made whether it makes us a better team, as it leaves us WEAK down the middle and the Sedins eat up difficult minutes against the other teams top units. The points argument is just stupid though.

All moot, because ATL doesn't even consider without the Sedins locked up to extensions.
What would you suggest as a Sedins-Kovy trade?

Bunter McVirtanen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-23-2008, 09:17 PM
  #16
Peter Griffin
Registered User
 
Peter Griffin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Country: Canada
Posts: 27,159
vCash: 500
Hypothetically, if the Sedins were dealt for Kovalchuk, I would play Kovy with Kesler. IMO, Kesler has the speed to match Kovalchuk and his offensive game has greatly improved. He'd add some grit, defensive awareness and toughness to a line featuring Kovalchuk. I know most Canucks fans are convinced the team is better off with Kesler in a checking role, but if he continues to improve offensively I strongly disagree. A two-way center with his size and skating is more valuable in an offensive role for a team struggling to score such as the Canucks.

Peter Griffin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-23-2008, 09:22 PM
  #17
Nikita Filatov*
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Country: United States
Posts: 6,301
vCash: 500
Send a message via AIM to Nikita Filatov*
Wow....

Nikita Filatov* is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-23-2008, 09:25 PM
  #18
Toes
Registered User
 
Toes's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 3,634
vCash: 500
I doubt that Vancouver will give up the Sedins and Raymond for another forward. True, Vancouver needs a superstar that can score 30+ but giving up the same amount of value won't help at all. I can see Vancouver trying to give defensemen and picks for Kovalchuck.

Toes is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-23-2008, 09:29 PM
  #19
Peter Griffin
Registered User
 
Peter Griffin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Country: Canada
Posts: 27,159
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hemsky112395 View Post
I doubt that Vancouver will give up the Sedins and Raymond for another forward. True, Vancouver needs a superstar that can score 30+ but giving up the same amount of value won't help at all. I can see Vancouver trying to give defensemen and picks for Kovalchuck.
I could see the Sedins for Kovalchuk and a lesser player(Jason Williams/Todd White) if the team continues to struggles and Gillis decides he does not want to build the team's offense around the Sedins going forward. But that would leave the team team thin at center and they already have depth issues there. A lot would depend on how Kesler develops and how soon the team feels Hodgson can make an impact at the NHL level. Personally I think Hodgson will make the team next year in a top 6 role and the team values him very highly.

Peter Griffin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-23-2008, 09:57 PM
  #20
Jeffro
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 819
vCash: 500
After all the ridiculous nonsense in the first post, he still doesn't assemble a team that would make the playoffs. Impressive.

Jeffro is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-23-2008, 10:06 PM
  #21
eklunds source
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Ed Snider's basement
Posts: 8,300
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by toddbertuzzi712 View Post
Yeah, but u given them the NVC, the clause that allows them to only be traded together, and about 6 M pery year, they are all yours.
That sounds like a good idea, except for the fact that that clause doesn't exist in the CBA.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rotang View Post
The Sedins combined for 44 goals last year while Kovalchuk alone had 52, he tops them even without the benefit of including one of his linemates in the totals.
The Sedins also combined for 106 assists, so even if EVERY assist they had was on each others goals (eg Daniel from Henrik), that leaves another 62 points assists between them, and even if EVERY remaining assist was on the same goal (eg Pyatt from Henrik and Daniel), thats another 31 goals.

All in all, the Sedins contributed at LEAST 74 goals to the Canucks. If someone wants to go back and add up how many goals were scored that both Sedins didn't assist on, I bet that number would climb to ~95.

eklunds source is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-23-2008, 10:13 PM
  #22
Bunter McVirtanen
Registered User
 
Bunter McVirtanen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Vernon, BC
Country: Canada
Posts: 439
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by eklunds source View Post
That sounds like a good idea, except for the fact that that clause doesn't exist in the CBA.



The Sedins also combined for 106 assists, so even if EVERY assist they had was on each others goals (eg Daniel from Henrik), that leaves another 62 points assists between them, and even if EVERY remaining assist was on the same goal (eg Pyatt from Henrik and Daniel), thats another 31 goals.

All in all, the Sedins contributed at LEAST 74 goals to the Canucks. If someone wants to go back and add up how many goals were scored that both Sedins didn't assist on, I bet that number would climb to ~95.

There is; MG was discussing it with media.

Bunter McVirtanen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-23-2008, 10:15 PM
  #23
DreamCatcher*
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: In Your Mind
Country: United Nations
Posts: 4,230
vCash: 500
Nice imagination

DreamCatcher* is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-23-2008, 10:21 PM
  #24
batmansuncle
Registered User
 
batmansuncle's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Calgary
Posts: 1,223
vCash: 1912
if those trades did happen and they signed those ufa's that would be one scary team lol

batmansuncle is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-23-2008, 10:24 PM
  #25
Riffo*
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Country: United Kingdom
Posts: 3,226
vCash: 500
Unless Luongo is coming our way, you're not getting Kessel.

Riffo* is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:44 PM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2015, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. 2015 All Rights Reserved.