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04-07-2012, 08:20 AM
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Bob Cole Divisional Quarterfinals: Ak Bars vs. Pittsburgh

AK BARS KAZAN
АК БАРС КАЗАНЬ





Coach: Toe Blake
Captain: Sprague Cleghorn
Alternate Captains: Zdeno Chara, Eric Desjardins, Mike Modano

#26 Mats Naslund - #10 Jean Ratelle - #68 Jaromir Jagr
#7 Vic Stasiuk - #9 Mike Modano (A) - #33 Zigmund Palffy
#8 Johnny Wilson - #18 Walt Tkaczuk - #16 Eric Nesterenko
#25 Dave Andreychuk - #15 Bobby Smith - #17 Mike Foligno
#4 Bob Davidson
#14 Barney Stanley
#12 Tom Lysiak

#3 Zdeno Chara (A) - #2 Sprague Cleghorn (C)
#5 Mike Ramsey - #37 Eric Desjardins (A)
#6 Calle Johansson - #23 Petr Svoboda
#44 Alexei Zhitnik

#1 Johnny Bower
#11 Roberto Luongo

Vs.

PITTSBURGH BANKERS


Head Coach- Art Ross
Assistant Coach
- Harry Sinden

Dick Duff - Newsy Lalonde - Mike Bossy
Bob Gainey - Gilbert Perreault - Mike Gartner
Jack Marshall - Neil Colville - Jack Darragh
Cully Wilson - Marty Walsh - Ernie Russell

Scott Niedermayor - Vladimir Konstantinov
Harry Cameron - Dollard St. Laurent
Hamby Shore - Dion Phaneuf

Tony Esposito
Riley Hern

Harry Smith LW/C
Clare McKerrow C/R
Chris Phillips D

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04-09-2012, 12:43 AM
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i don't think it will really be possible for cleghorn and lalonde to never be on the ice simultaneously, and i don't think it makes much sense to keep my top d-men away from pittsburgh's top scorers, so chara and cleghorn will play against pittsburgh's 1st line.

cleghorn and lalonde clashed many times, often violently, and i expect they will be in the penalty box often. i just hope toe blake can keep cleghorn from going over the edge. toe blake was also a hothead, though.


i have said this before, but lalonde was also a very dirty and highly penalized player. i am not sure why, but i think eddie shore and sprague cleghorn are unfairly criticized more than other comparable dirty players for their reckless play.




pittsburgh is a very fast team, and the F's who are not especially fast were very dangerous scorers: bossy, lalonde (i am not at all sure how fast lalonde was, though). pittsburgh d-men are also as a group strong in transition, so the bankers are very dangerous in a counterattack or on the rush. i do not want to play a risky up and down game with pittsburgh. i want to play a more methodical cycling game to make the bankers play in their own end and to reduce their chances in counterattacking.

i think pittsburgh's strength is its F's more than its blueline, and i think my team should be able to establish a cycle.

it is probably more accurate to say that pittsburgh's strength is its offense more than its D. in addition to their powerful top F's, their scoring depth is good and their d-men are strong in transition and dangerous in the offensive zone.




matchups

i think my main advantage in this series is that i have a better blueline. i want my top 2 d-pairs to defend pittsburgh's top 2 lines.

primary matchup i want is cleghorn and chara against lalonde and bossy. other than cleghorn's proclivity to violence and penalties, i think he and chara are well suited to defending lalonde and bossy. cleghorn and chara are big and very physical, and i don't think chara's relative lack of agility will be a big problem against them, as i don't think either lalonde or bossy is particularly fast.


my approach to forward matchups is based more on zones.

all my C's played both ways, and other than bobby smith, were known for their 2 way games. i think my C's in combination with my d-men form effective defensive units. modano and ratelle were also both fast.


tkaczuk or sometimes modano will take most defensive zone faceoffs against lalonde. jagr will not be out for many defensive zone faceoffs, but will be out for a large share of offensive zone faceoffs. ratelle is not a defensive problem, so he can sometimes take defensive zone faceoffs when needed separate from jagr.


defensive zone

of my d-men, only johansson could be described as undersized, and he was not small. i think my defensive players' combination of size, reach and physicality (cleghorn chara and ramsey, plus some of my F's) will give me good control of the middle area of the defensive zone where most scoring occurs. control of that area is always an important issue.

jagr and andreychuk are more or less defensive liabilities. but to some extent, those problems are reduced b/c jagr tended to control the play with his puck possession game, and andreychuk will not play much at ES.



i will post more later.

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Very strong combo of goaltending and defence for AK Bars Kazan.

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I think this is a good match-up and the squads are well matched, but this series certaintly has a feel of being one of those series were the 8th seeded teams knocks off a number 1 seed. I like and respect Nik Jr assesment, but I think the bankers being the faster and better offensive team should lead them to victory. Bower will see a lot of shots from all 4 of the Bankers line and there defense in Niedermayor, Cameron, Shore will provide plenty of spark from the back end. The Bankers are no slouches defensively either with One of the best defensive forwards and defensemen in Gainey & Konstantinov. I think Esposito will be great in net for the Bankers as well. I think the Bankers can win this series in 6 or 7 games.

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some questions:


how well will lalonde and bossy mesh? although both were good playmakers, both were primarily goalscorers.

it is hard to say about lalonde, who played before the forward pass, and in a time when assists were rarely recorded. he was one of only a few players who led the NHL in goals, assists and points in the same season (1919). i think only 99, 66, phil esposito, gordie howe, morenz and lalonde have done that (only the greatest offensive players), so it is a great accomplishment.

jagr was close to the trifecta but finished 2nd in goals in '99.



who will defend jagr? gainey would be the best option at F, but he is playing with 2 weaker defensive players.


special teams
how are pittsburgh's PP and PK set up? they are not in the roster thread.


both teams have players who were physical and took many penalties. cleghorn, chara, ramsey, nesterenko, stasiuk, foligno, smith on my side, and for pittsburgh, lalonde, konstantinov, russell, wilson, walsh.

obviously, many of those penalties were fights and other penalties that did not create PP's, but special teams are important.


my special teams:
Quote:
PP1
Ratelle - Andreychuk - Jagr
Cleghorn - Desjardins

PP2
Naslund - Smith - Palffy
Chara - Modano

Jagr will take extended PP shifts, with Naslund replacing him.



PK1
Tkaczuk - Nesterenko
Chara - Ramsey

PK2
Modano - Wilson
Cleghorn - Desjardins

other PKers: Johansson, Svoboda, Ratelle, Palffy, Smith, Davidson, Stanley, Lysiak

my 1st PP is based around 6'4 andreychuk at the crease for garbage, deflections and screens. he will draw a defender, and should give jagr and ratelle more space around the circles and for passes through the box. cleghorn was a good passer, but i think was known more for his shot, so i think desjardins would probably be a better PP QB.

chara is not a bona fide QB, so the F's are the primary puckhandlers. i think palffy and naslund are well suited to that. chara's shot is an important weapon, though, and i think may be especially effective against esposito, b/c (according to stan mikita) esposito had some trouble seeing long shots.


OTOH, bobby hull said in 2010 (and probably also before 2010) that my 3rd liner nesterenko was at fault on lemaire's goal for retreating to his own blueline instead of picking up lemaire.

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can someone post jean ratelle's ES scoring? i don't have overpass' statsheet of ES/PP/SH scoring.

jagr's dominant ES scoring is well known, and i am fairly sure naslund was a much better ES than PP scorer, but i don't know much about ratelle.

based on ratelle's ES goals (334 at ES vs 136 on PP), i expect that he scored much more at ES, but ratelle's PP scoring may have been highly skewed towards assists.

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can someone post jean ratelle's ES scoring? i don't have overpass' statsheet of ES/PP/SH scoring.

jagr's dominant ES scoring is well known, and i am fairly sure naslund was a much better ES than PP scorer, but i don't know much about ratelle.

based on ratelle's ES goals (334 at ES vs 136 on PP), i expect that he scored much more at ES, but ratelle's PP scoring may have been highly skewed towards assists.
Year ESG ESA ESP PPG PPA PPP G A P ESP rank
1965 12 14 26 2 6 8 14 20 34
1966 18 24 42 3 6 9 21 30 51 t-11
1967 4 5 9 2 0 2 6 5 11
1968 22 39 61 10 7 17 32 46 78 t-1
1969 24 32 56 8 14 22 32 46 78 14
1970 22 27 49 10 13 23 32 40 72 9
1971 20 34 54 5 13 18 26 47 73 9
1972 40 42 82 5 18 23 46 60 106 2
1973 30 38 68 11 14 25 41 52 93 t-6
1974 22 25 47 6 14 20 28 39 67
1975 20 32 52 16 23 39 36 55 91
1976 18 42 60 17 24 41 36 67 103 20
1977 24 49 73 8 9 17 33 58 91 t-5
1978 22 51 73 3 7 10 25 58 83 6
1979 16 32 48 11 11 22 27 44 71
1980 14 34 48 14 11 25 28 45 73

The column at right is Ratelle's league-wide rank in ES points.

Another way of looking at it - top scorers from 1967-68 to 1977-78
Player ESP PPP Points ES%
Esposito P 738 460 1233 60%
Ratelle 676 255 936 72%
Orr 515 303 863 60%
Mikita 550 251 817 67%
Clarke 524 231 797 66%
Bucyk 477 313 790 60%
Gilbert R 538 251 789 68%
Lemaire 583 193 782 75%
Cournoyer 520 243 764 68%
Hodge 542 182 730 74%

Ratelle did score a higher percentage of his points at even strength than his contemporary stars.


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Sorry If you guys missed this but here are all my lines.

PITTSBURGH BANKERS


Head Coach- Art Ross
Assistant Coach
- Harry Sinden

Dick Duff - Newsy Lalonde - Mike Bossy
Jack Marshall - Gilbert Perreault - Mike Gartner
Bob Gainey - Neil Colville - Jack Darragh
Cully Wilson - Marty Walsh - Ernie Russell

Scott Niedermayor - Vladimir Konstantinov
Harry Cameron - Dollard St. Laurent
Hamby Shore - Dion Phaneuf

Tony Esposito
Riley Hern

Harry Smith LW/C
Clare McKerrow C/R
Chris Phillips D

PP1- Gilbert Perreault - Newsy Lalonde (C) - Mike Bossy
Scott Niedermayor (A) - Harry Cameron

PP2- Jack Darragh - Ernie Russell - Mike Gartner
Hamby Shore - Neil Colville

PK1- Bob Gainey (A) - Jack Marshall
Vladimir Konstantinov - Dollard St. Laurent

PK2- Neil Colville - Marty Walsh
Scott Niedermayor - Hamby Shore[/QUOTE]

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