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10-25-2008, 05:16 PM
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I'm telling you guys... Give Fritsche more than 3 games before deciding he sucks.

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10-25-2008, 09:19 PM
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once again, prucha makes his presence known with another superb game. all 4 of his games he has been a factor everytime he gets on the ice, in a positive way. there is no reason he should be benched. NONE.

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once again, prucha makes his presence known with another superb game. all 4 of his games he has been a factor everytime he gets on the ice, in a positive way. there is no reason he should be benched. NONE.
Good...maybe we can get a 2nd round pick for him.

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Good...maybe we can get a 2nd round pick for him.
maybe you can start learning how to watch and understand the game of hockey, too

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maybe you can start learning how to watch and understand the game of hockey, too
Maybe you can show me some time...really 30+ years of watching hockey, and I need you to explain the game for me, thanks. Prucha has become Jed Ortmeyer without the defensive ability...which is fine if all you want is 4th line production.

The Rangers are getting the majority of their production from four players - Dubinsky, Zherdev, Naslund and Gomez - the players who are legitimate top six players. They have gotten surprising production from Voros, which has been offset by the lack of production by Drury. The Rangers can put in any two players from the group of Prucha, Dawes, Korpikoski and Fritsche and the production remains the same. I'd rather see Korpikoski get his feet wet, (much like Dubinsky last year), and become the player that he's capable of becoming, than sit here game after game being told that Prucha's been very good, while his production remains nil. In the long term, I believe Korpikoski will be a key component of the Rangers. I don't see that from Prucha, and given the $1.6 million that he occupies on the salary cap, I'd rather move him for a pick.


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10-26-2008, 12:59 PM
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Maybe you can show me some time...really 30+ years of watching hockey, and I need you to explain the game for me, thanks. Prucha has become Jed Ortmeyer without the defensive ability...which is fine if all you want is 4th line production.

The Rangers are getting the majority of their production from four players - Dubinsky, Zherdev, Naslund and Gomez - the players who are legitimate top six players. They have gotten surprising production from Voros, which has been offset by the lack of production by Drury. The Rangers can put in any two players from the group of Prucha, Dawes, Korpikoski and Fritsche and the production remains the same. I'd rather see Korpikoski get his feet wet, (much like Dubinsky last year), and become the player that he's capable of becoming, than sit here game after game being told that Prucha's been very good, while his production remains nil. In the long term, I believe Korpikoski will be a key component of the Rangers. I don't see that from Prucha, and given the $1.6 million that he occupies on the salary cap, I'd rather move him for a pick.
i agree with this.

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I'm sorry Ola, I usually agree with you, but that is the most unfair and clearly biased things I've ever read on HFBoards. Fritsche scored 2 goals and had a great assist (to Redden against NJ if I recall) in his limited preseason ice time, and I'm not sure why everyone around here is conveniently purging this from their memory. The guy has played what, 30 min in the regular season?
Maybe I am not fair when evulating Fritche, but it really irks me that he is still on the team.

In other words, Fritsche could be the solution. He could be what we are looking for. If we gave him a chance, 3 years from now he could answear the bell.

The problem is, we are never giving anyone a chance. From Jason Ward, to Adam Hall, to Ville Nieminen, to Pascal Dupuis, to Petr Prucha, to Dan Fritsche.

Whats sad is that David "the minor leaguer" Clarksson probably would step right into our team and beat out Frtische and Prucha clean. NJ had no options, they worked with what they had, they invested in what they had -- and they got a player out of it.

Slats makes trades, Renney trys it out -- and of course it never works out. Why would a great 3rd lineer fall into our hands like that? Or when it does, great, but now we have batted and missed like 10 times already on the names mentioned above.

We need to pick a player, wheter its Petr Prucha or Dan Fritsche don't matter all that much -- and really invest in him.

And from my point of view, we have invested allot in Prucha already. We need to go through on that for once, atleast when the alternative is Dan Fritsche. Because if we give Fritsche a year to grow in NY -- we might get a Jason Ward type of producer/player. If we give him 2 years, we might get someone a tad better. And in 2012 we might have a solid 3rd lineer. What we are getting from Prucha now is at worst basically on par with Fritsche, but Prucha will never have lower confidence then he have now. He could turn it around anytime.

The fact that we can't even give Petr Prucha a honest chance when the alternative is Dan Fritsche really irks me off. Prucha was rushed into the league. He became a star before he had pinned down the fundamentals. He scored 30 before he could play defense or contribute in the transition game. Then we saw why a kid shouldn't be rushed into the NHL. Sooner or later a hockeyplayer goes through a tough stretch in his career. The marginals are so small that its pure math that it will come tough stretches. The best players scores on like 10% of their shots in the long run, to miss 100 straight shot is not all that "unlucky". Since Prucha had nothing to fall back on really, he fell long and hard. Renney did the right thing and pulled him back. He took the pressure of him, and got him to focus on the aspects he needed to improve. Defense and contributing in the transition game. Prucha is now better then ever in thoose aspects. Now he just needs to get his confidence back. We need to follow through on him. Give him a opertunity to get that confidence back. And its definitly not as far away as some thinks. Before he got hurt last season he was pretty hot. He scored some goals. He got great chances. He outplayed Callahan so that Cally was sent to the AHL.

We now also got a good position for Prucha to play in, next to Voros and Dubi. But no, he can't be given a chance there -- because we "must" give Dan "who?" Fritsche a chance to show taht he isn't ready to be a great 3rd lineer on a team where he doesn't know anyone, on a system he doesn't know, in a new city -- really only the 2nd city he played in for a long time et c. Like Fritche is doomed to fail if he doesn't get atleast 60 games with zero expectations on him, so that he can grow onto the team. We all know he won't get that.

In this aspect, Tom Renney and Glen Sather is putting forth a real amature effort. And I am not saying that because I reeeaaallly disslikes Fritsche, or because I reeeeaaaalllly likes Prucha -- it because the way they, Slats and Renney, are gooing about their trade. Its just doomed to fail.


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I think we all know what we will get out of this "evaluation" of Fritsche and Prucha -- nothing.

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10-26-2008, 05:53 PM
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I'm telling you guys... Give Fritsche more than 3 games before deciding he sucks.
I'm more than willing to give Fritsche a chance, I'm just not willing to do it at the expense of Prucha--who's played much better than Fritsche since the beginning of training camp.

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10-26-2008, 07:56 PM
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Id sit Drury for a game if anything. It sends a good message to your players that not even the Captain is exempt from a benching if hes not doing his job.

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Inferno, I agree as well.

Rissmiller perhaps was Hollweg replacement, but ultimately didn’t improve upon what we already had on tap. I saw a big, slow 4th line checking forward with a history of making mental mistakes and inept passing skills. Too much potential downside and not enough upside to bring him back.

Frische has played in three games and has been invisible in all but maybe 3 or 4 shifts. Iirc, there was a shift or two, during NJ and TOR when he at least seemed to be trying to contribute. I saw a potential less gritty version of Callahan with a nice looking off-angle shot. His lackluster performance against his old team was a bad sign.

Korpikoski showed great potential in the preseason and with time may have higher ceiling than the rest, but has faded since. Sending him back to Hartford for some retooling may help.

Prucha was ready on day one and has stood out above the rest of the pack. He’s become an excellent fore checker- causing turnovers, getting to loose pucks, stronger on the puck, and creating his own scoring chances. Causing the turnover and drawing the penalty in the 3rd against PIT, was a catalyst in the come back win. In my mind, he’s earned a slot and could be a goal scorer again with some luck & help playing with Gomez or with Dubinsky & Voros.

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10-27-2008, 12:17 AM
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Fritsche and Rissmiller shouldnt skate for this team again. IMHO, they are worthless. They do nothing, NOTHING to make me even remotely interested in seeing them out there on the ice again. Right now Korpedo is by far and away the best of those 4, and Prucha is definitely second.


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What games are you watching? Fritsche has played in only 3 games and played rather well against Columbus. I noticed he was definately out of game shape. How do you expect him to play to his full potential when he has only played in three games, isn't playing his natural position of center and isn't even able to get in game shape? In the Columbus game he was out there on the right wing with Dubinsky playing center. Dubinsky was terrible at the center position as he lost almost every faceoff and didn't even play a physical game at the center position.

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What games are you watching? Fritsche has played in only 3 games and played rather well against Columbus. I noticed he was definately out of game shape. How do you expect him to play to his full potential when he has only played in three games, isn't playing his natural position of center and isn't even able to get in game shape? In the Columbus game he was out there on the right wing with Dubinsky playing center. Dubinsky was terrible at the center position as he lost almost every faceoff and didn't even play a physical game at the center position.
One thing that's been obvious during Renney tenure with the Rangers is that he will not play a player who is not in game shape--if there was something holding him back, an injury or whatever, he would have been asked to to go to Hartford for a 2 week conditioning stint. I don't see that as a good excuse anyway: Prucha hasn't had significantly more game time and there is no question that he's been able to stay in "game shape" from day one.

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korpikoski should either play or be sent to hartford....he woul dbe my choice of who should play over prucha and fritsche just because of his size, strength and defensive ability....also because he has the most potential and he is ready to take that step

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Last season, Dubinsky scored his first point after 8 games. With 15 games under his belt he still had -- 1 point, a lone secondary assist.

Less then a handful of month later he was our best center against Pittsburgh in the PO's.

I know Korpikoski haven't blown away many experts and fans following the Rangers. But he have played pretty well in like 2/3's of the game. He have been very strong on the puck. He have been solid defensivly. He have taken the puck up ice, and made some plays offensivly. Thats very impressive IMO. Like he have easily been as good as Näslund in every aspect besides last 5th so to speak.

I would like to see how he would look with Dawes and Gomez. I don't have a problem with Dawes-Gomez-Callahan. Thats a really solid hockey line. Mostly thanks to Gomez, yes, but the other 2 comes to play every night and I wouldn't be suprised if that line got really hot in stretches. But if Korpikoski would click next to Gomez that line would have allot more potential. Korpi is strong on the puck, he got good balance but also excellent agility that lets him protect the puck really well. He got a much better shoot/pass bias then Callahan, and while Cally might have a edge as a sniper, Korpi got a good shot too. If Dawes-Gomez-Korpikoski could click it would give this team another dimension. Dawes-Gomez-Callahan will score in stretches, but because Cally don't belive its ever worth to pass the puck, we will never see them play a "great" game. Sometimes the puck will go in, sometimes it won't. But they will never be dominating.

It wouldn't hurt Korpi to play some more games in the AHL. But I think we atleast should explore what he could do on the wing next to Gomer in the NHL.

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I think we all know what we will get out of this "evaluation" of Fritsche and Prucha -- nothing.
The evaluation hasn't just been for those guys however. These auditions have taken Voros and Sjostrom to darkhorses who didn't impress in camp/preseason to locks for the lineup on a nightly basis. In the process, they've BLOWN past Prucha in terms of value to the team, which would never have happened if you handed Prucha a roster spot.

BUT, your argument about "investing" in Prucha now is well put and tipped the balance for me. Fritsche didn't come in the way Voros did and stake a claim to that roster spot, so the time has finally come to call it Prucha's IMO. He's absolutely playing at a higher level even if the results aren't there, he hasn't raised his value to the point where trading him makes sense for the team and I believe he's got a better chance of contributing to the team than bringing back a commodity that will.

For Fritsche's effort, he at least stays with the team. No doubt, Korpikoski has played better, but it's an asset management decision at this point and the waiver exempt player needs to keep playing somewhere.

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Gee, I am glad we don't have to see that pathetic waste of life Petr Prucha, who generates chances, gets in on the forecheck, disrupts the oppositions play, creates turnovers and draws penalties. Instead we have the super awesome Dan Fritsche who....umm....you know....plays hockey....apparently.

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Korepdo-Prucha>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Dawes-Fristche.

Who's with me?

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Korepdo-Prucha>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Dawes-Fristche.

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i'd agree with this as well.

the 3 most worthless rangers so far this season.

Steaming turds>>>>>>Dawes>>Fritsche>>>>>>>>>>>>Rissmiller

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fritsche looks very, very out of place

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Gee, I am glad we don't have to see that pathetic waste of life Petr Prucha, who generates chances, gets in on the forecheck, disrupts the oppositions play, creates turnovers and draws penalties. Instead we have the super awesome Dan Fritsche who....umm....you know....plays hockey....apparently.
Well, Dawes and Fritsche learned the Renney way. Play the "generates chances, gets in on the forecheck, disrupts the oppositions play, creates turnovers and draws penalties" game and you get benched. Play the "plays hockey....apparently" and you are a regular in the line-up!

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Well, Dawes and Fritsche learned the Renney way. Play the "generates chances, gets in on the forecheck, disrupts the oppositions play, creates turnovers and draws penalties" game and you get benched. Play the "plays hockey....apparently" and you are a regular in the line-up!
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Seriously, if u hadn't told me Fritsche was in the lineup I wouldn't have known he was in there

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Seriously, if u hadn't told me Fritsche was in the lineup I wouldn't have known he was in there
pretty much. 1 good play where he got a beauty of a pass and had a semibreakaway, but thats about it.

absolute garbage.

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pretty much. 1 good play where he got a beauty of a pass and had a semibreakaway, but thats about it.

absolute garbage.
****, he hasn't grasped the system and meshed with his teammates after 4 games? Jesus, this guy really does suck. Let's trade him for a bag of pucks. I mean damn, he's 23 already! Over the hill, a has-been and a never-was at the same time.

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