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10-27-2008, 09:16 AM
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When is this goaltending issue going to get solved?

Just wondering about thoughts on this. Are we going to keep the 3 up until the trading deadline? Or trade one earlier than that? I suppose we could always bank on one of them getting injured (law of averages for our team!).

Personally, I think this needs to get taken care of sooner rather than later. As much as they say they're fine with the situation, it's gotta be wearing hard on the goalies. Rollie has played what..2 games (including preseason) since last spring? JDD is not going to develop much sitting around with 2 others, and Garon is going to have a hard time finding a rhythm as the #1. There's also the whole "room dynamic" that this situation can negatively effect.

I'm not sold on Garon as a #1 at all. I think he shows flashes or brilliance, but is very succeptilbe to the bad goal. We need top flight goaltending to survive in this league, and those bad goals are going to be something he's gotta correct.

It's tough to say anything about Rollie. He played well down the stretch last year, but I thought he looked bad in Chicago game, with poor lateral movement and big rebounds. That was either because he's aged, or because he's rusty. I still think if he's the type of goalie that can go on a real hot streak as we've seen in the past.

I'm not sure JDD would get swiped if we put him on waivers to send him to the minors. Pretty much every team has decent prospects in their system and have a serviceable backup. He's not a #1 at this point.

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10-27-2008, 09:20 AM
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Just wondering about thoughts on this. Are we going to keep the 3 up until the trading deadline? Or trade one earlier than that? I suppose we could always bank on one of them getting injured (law of averages for our team!).

Personally, I think this needs to get taken care of sooner rather than later. As much as they say they're fine with the situation, it's gotta be wearing hard on the goalies. Rollie has played what..2 games (including preseason) since last spring? JDD is not going to develop much sitting around with 2 others, and Garon is going to have a hard time finding a rhythm as the #1. There's also the whole "room dynamic" that this situation can negatively effect.

I'm not sold on Garon as a #1 at all. I think he shows flashes or brilliance, but is very succeptilbe to the bad goal. We need top flight goaltending to survive in this league, and those bad goals are going to be something he's gotta correct.

It's tough to say anything about Rollie. He played well down the stretch last year, but I thought he looked bad in Chicago game, with poor lateral movement and big rebounds. That was either because he's aged, or because he's rusty. I still think if he's the type of goalie that can go on a real hot streak as we've seen in the past.

I'm not sure JDD would get swiped if we put him on waivers to send him to the minors. Pretty much every team has decent prospects in their system and have a serviceable backup. He's not a #1 at this point.
JDD would get swiped, Garon is a number 1 and every goalie has bad games, Bobby-Lou and kipper both with a few this year alone.

Roli is fine IMO, but he cant play backup. Roli is a competitor that wants to play #1.

I think our best bet is giving up Roli for futures or a trade if that was an option but I doubt will happen.

edit: added a few words so it make sense...to some extent.


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I think our best bet is giving up Roli for futures or a that was an option but I doubt will happen.
Roli is virtually untradable at this point in the season.

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I agree, Rolie is untradeable. I still say we send JDD down and have Roli and Garon push each other all year.

I'm not sold on whether JDD would get claimed.

TOUGH, TOUGH situation.

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JDD would get swiped, Garon is a number 1 and every goalie has bad games, Bobby-Lou and kipper both with a few this year alone.

Roli is fine IMO, but he cant play backup. Roli is a competitor that wants to play #1.

I think our best bet is giving up Roli for futures or a that was an option but I doubt will happen.
When has Garon proven he's a starter?

As for the bad games comment... Luongo and Kiprusoff have years as starters to back up their shaky start.

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10-27-2008, 10:13 AM
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I don't see this as much as a problem as everyone else. If JDD and Roloson continue to play fairly well, then the Oilers aren't hurting at all. Someone has to take the ball and run with it, but we have yet to really see that.

I hope someone steps up soon, though.

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10-27-2008, 10:29 AM
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[QUOTE=otto84;16040713]When has Garon proven he's a starter?
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10-27-2008, 10:59 AM
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I think the problem is that we don't have an extra forward on hand to shake things up. While Pisani is day to day, it would have been useful to carry another skilled forward (Schremp, Brule [if healthy], Potulny) so that the fourth line doesn't have to involve both Mac and Stortini. Sometimes there is an advantage to playing both Mac and Stortini, but certainly not in all circumstances.

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I think the problem is that we don't have an extra forward on hand to shake things up. While Pisani is day to day, it would have been useful to carry another skilled forward (Schremp, Brule [if healthy], Potulny) so that the fourth line doesn't have to involve both Mac and Stortini. Sometimes there is an advantage to playing both Mac and Stortini, but certainly not in all circumstances.
I was thinking along the same lines this morning.

For me the annoyance of having 3 goalies on the roster is the reduced flexibility it causes for the 4th line. Having MacIntyre is a nice luxury, but if he ends up playing 5 games out of every 7 from now until the end of the year that's going to hurt the 4th line's overall effectiveness more than help it IMO. It'd be nice to have a speedy, physical player like Brule (when healthy) as an extra 4th line option.

In the latter half of last season, the 4th line was an honest to goodness weapon that could hem the opposition in their own zone with a tenacious forecheck. This year, the 4th line looks like something MacT sneaks out there, crossing his fingers that he can squeeze a shift or two out of them without paying for it.

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I think the problem is that we don't have an extra forward on hand to shake things up. While Pisani is day to day, it would have been useful to carry another skilled forward (Schremp, Brule [if healthy], Potulny) so that the fourth line doesn't have to involve both Mac and Stortini. Sometimes there is an advantage to playing both Mac and Stortini, but certainly not in all circumstances.
Agreed, I'd much prefer to have Brule or Schremp riding shotgun right now. Brule I think would be excellent fit ahead of Shrempy on the 4th line, mainly because of the physicality he can bring.

It's completely ridiculous to be carrying 3 goalies. Something needs to give.

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I don't understand why people are so worried about having JDD on waivers. It's not like he's got huge superstar starting goaltender potential and the fact is, Roli and Garon are both better than him at this point in time. If a team wants to claim him, so be it but I don't think that will be the case. Here's what I would do.

-Give JDD another start in the near future.

-If he plays an average game, like the one he did against Calgary, take your chances on the waiver wire. If he gets claimed it's not a huge loss although we would need to find a new backup goaltender for next year if that were to happen and that would be my only concern.

He doesn't have the potential in my opinion to be a star goalie in this league and it's quite obvious that having 3 goaltenders is serious burden right now. I'm going to get flamed for critiquing JDD but as much as I'd like to give him his shot this year to prove he can be an NHL backup, Roli's contract and the fact that he's immovable prevent that from happening. Also, Roli and Garon are clearly better than JDD at this point in my mind.

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I don't understand why people are so worried about having JDD on waivers. It's not like he's got huge superstar starting goaltender potential and the fact is, Roli and Garon are both better than him at this point in time. If a team wants to claim him, so be it but I don't think that will be the case. Here's what I would do.

-Give JDD another start in the near future.

-If he plays an average game, like the one he did against Calgary, take your chances on the waiver wire. If he gets claimed it's not a huge loss although we would need to find a new backup goaltender for next year if that were to happen and that would be my only concern.

He doesn't have the potential in my opinion to be a star goalie in this league and it's quite obvious that having 3 goaltenders is serious burden right now. I'm going to get flamed for critiquing JDD but as much as I'd like to give him his shot this year to prove he can be an NHL backup, Roli's contract and the fact that he's immovable prevent that from happening. Also, Roli and Garon are clearly better than JDD at this point in my mind.
I'd rather stick JDD in there over FIVEoloson.

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I think it also has to be resolved, What I see happening is we trade Roli for another bad Contract that we can buy out. That is pretty much all that I can see happening. Some bad player who is getting 2.5 mill or something. Not sure who that is, but look to TB or LA.

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Garon is our srtarter.
Holeoloson had no more future in the NHL
JDD may have a future in the NHL (plus we have too much invested in him to loose him, and believe you, he will be claimed on waivers, just ask Bob MacKenzie

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I don't understand why people are so worried about having JDD on waivers. It's not like he's got huge superstar starting goaltender potential and the fact is, Roli and Garon are both better than him at this point in time. If a team wants to claim him, so be it but I don't think that will be the case. Here's what I would do.

-Give JDD another start in the near future.

-If he plays an average game, like the one he did against Calgary, take your chances on the waiver wire. If he gets claimed it's not a huge loss although we would need to find a new backup goaltender for next year if that were to happen and that would be my only concern.

He doesn't have the potential in my opinion to be a star goalie in this league and it's quite obvious that having 3 goaltenders is serious burden right now. I'm going to get flamed for critiquing JDD but as much as I'd like to give him his shot this year to prove he can be an NHL backup, Roli's contract and the fact that he's immovable prevent that from happening. Also, Roli and Garon are clearly better than JDD at this point in my mind.
well I wouldn't say he doesn't, the thing with goalies is so few do anything untill their late 20s. He has a big frame and good reflexes. I think with goalies you try and have a few good prospects kicking around and hope one pans out, bottom line is JDD is younger and more talented then a back up that we could just pick up. I think yo u want to keep him.

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If we could sneak JDD back to Springfield it might help them out in a major way, given that Dubnyk seems to be sh1tting the bed at present.

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Having Roloson isn't so bad.

He's a ready-made excuse for losses in games he plays in.

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I agree that this needs to be dealt with ASAP. In fact, it should've been dealt with before the season even started. If you can't trade Roli, then send JDD to the minors. If we lose him through waivers, then so be it. He's a below average goaltender who likely won't develop beyond "average NHL backup" at any point in his career. He can VERY easily be replaced in the offseason if we lose him and decide not to keep Roli beyond this year (and I can't see us re-signing Roli).

With Pisani hurt, we're forced to play both Stortini AND MacIntyre in every game because we're carrying 3 goaltenders, only one of whome can play any given game, and only 2 can even practice.

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Roli needs to go, waivers then re-entry waivers. If there's no takers then ask him to retire and be our goaltending coach this season. He can come out of retirement next year if the fire still burns.

JDD would not clear waivers. He was 10X the goalie last year that Dubnyk has been this season. Contrary to his stats he is a much better than average AHL netminder and IMO he has NHL starter potential. If we lose him to waivers we have an underperforming Dubnyk and 2 20 year old goalies in our system.

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I don't see this as much as a problem as everyone else. If JDD and Roloson continue to play fairly well, then the Oilers aren't hurting at all. Someone has to take the ball and run with it, but we have yet to really see that.

I hope someone steps up soon, though.
I disagree that it isn't hurting us at all because of how it forces our hands with the forward situation. If we lose a skilled forward we have to replace him in the line-up with Stortini or MacIntyre which aren't necessarily the preferred options all the time.

I don't mind not having to throw JDD to the wolves if we don't want to, but it complicates things in other departments.

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I don't see why JDD wouldn't clear waivers.

Which team would pick him up? Even if they do, if they try and send him down the Oilers can re-claim him and put him down on the farm.

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I don't see why JDD wouldn't clear waivers.

Which team would pick him up? Even if they do, if they try and send him down the Oilers can re-claim him and put him down on the farm.
Why risk it??? Unlike Roli, he has years ahead of him, not behind him.

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The goaltending will be sorted out when either Roli or Garon grabs the #1 job and runs with it. After Roli got his token start in Colorado it was Garon's to run with, one bad goal in Colorado and 2 in Van city and now Mact is thinking we DON'T have a proven #1 YET.

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Why risk it??? Unlike Roli, he has years ahead of him, not behind him.
It's not a risk if there isn't anyone who is going to take him.

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It's not a risk if there isn't anyone who is going to take him.
For that statement to be correct you would have to have inside knowledge about every team in the NHL....hmmmmm? ?your thinking.

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