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10-27-2008, 04:15 PM
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There are already multiple respected hockey types (ie. Bob MacKenzie) who have come out saying that in all likelihood JDD would not clear waivers. I think I take their opinion over many of those presented here.

So saying that- Oil have to hang out to Roli and let him play occassionaly to show his skills so he still has some value for trade. I think they would be happy with later draft picks right now for Roli and end the three goalie saga.

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10-27-2008, 04:21 PM
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It's not a risk if there isn't anyone who is going to take him.
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There are already multiple respected hockey types (ie. Bob MacKenzie) who have come out saying that in all likelihood JDD would not clear waivers. I think I take their opinion over many of those presented here.

So saying that- Oil have to hang out to Roli and let him play occassionaly to show his skills so he still has some value for trade. I think they would be happy with later draft picks right now for Roli and end the three goalie saga.
I am not a "respected hockey type" but there were 3 guys from last years Falcons team that I believed were ready for the NHL, and 2 are there now and the 3rd lost a numbers battle. JDD is an NHL player, he would not clear waivers. Someone would claim him. I don't know enough about each teams situation, but there'd be at least 1 team that would pick him up. Much like how we had MacIntyre heavily scouted because he was in the same division as Springfield, I would suspect that a team with an Atlantic Division AHL team would nab him if no one else would.

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10-27-2008, 04:34 PM
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For that statement to be correct you would have to have inside knowledge about every team in the NHL....hmmmmm? ?your thinking.
You don't need inside knowledge.

All you need to do is look at 30 NHL teams and see who their backup goaltender is and what their cap situation is like.

I don't see a team in this league where the following isn't true:

1). Their backup is better than JDD (at least in terms of being proven)

2). Picking him up would put them in a similar situation with one of their own up and coming goaltenders.

The only reason you pick up JDD is because he's a better goaltender than what you currently have. Even if it's close, you stay with the guy you already know.

Regardless, this probably isn't a move that's made until around December anyways.

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10-27-2008, 04:55 PM
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You don't need inside knowledge.

All you need to do is look at 30 NHL teams and see who their backup goaltender is and what their cap situation is like.

I don't see a team in this league where the following isn't true:

1). Their backup is better than JDD (at least in terms of being proven)

2). Picking him up would put them in a similar situation with one of their own up and coming goaltenders.

The only reason you pick up JDD is because he's a better goaltender than what you currently have. Even if it's close, you stay with the guy you already know.

Regardless, this probably isn't a move that's made until around December anyways.
Ottawa, NYI, LA??? How are their situations???

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10-27-2008, 04:58 PM
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NYI would be a good fit, here's their back-up http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p...TRUE&pid=35678

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10-27-2008, 07:34 PM
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There are already multiple respected hockey types (ie. Bob MacKenzie) who have come out saying that in all likelihood JDD would not clear waivers. I think I take their opinion over many of those presented here.

So saying that- Oil have to hang out to Roli and let him play occassionaly to show his skills so he still has some value for trade. I think they would be happy with later draft picks right now for Roli and end the three goalie saga.
His words were actually something like " It's a gaurantee that JDD will not clear waivers"

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10-27-2008, 08:34 PM
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Apparently Dubnyk has sucked in the AHL ... I don't think we can risk losing Deslauriers for our future sake.

This'll be sorted out by the deadline I think, until then ... oh well. It's not like Roli's salary is preventing us from getting Gaborik or something.

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10-27-2008, 08:40 PM
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Boy, MacT sure was putting the hard sell on tv after making the decision to start Roli tonight. "He had a really strong camp, I like the way he played against Chicago, he had a really strong camp."

If Roli plays a solid game tonight MacT will have a 3 headed monster AND a starting goalie controversy on his hands.

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10-27-2008, 08:42 PM
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Boy, MacT sure was putting the hard sell on tv after making the decision to start Roli tonight. "He had a really strong camp, I like the way he played against Chicago, he had a really strong camp."

If Roli plays a solid game tonight MacT will have a 3 headed monster AND a starting goalie controversy on his hands.
What a joke

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10-27-2008, 08:43 PM
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When has Garon proven he's a starter?
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07-08.

You mean when he shined in a 1A/B rotation and went down hill in a 17 game stretch?

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10-27-2008, 08:49 PM
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You mean when he shined in a 1A/B rotation and went down hill in a 17 game stretch?
Yes troll, thats exactly what I meant.

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10-27-2008, 08:49 PM
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I agree with BBO. It makes little sense to expose JDD to waivers, without subjecting him to further tests at the NHL level. Could he clear? Maybe, maybe not. It would be one thing if JDD was terrible in the pre-season - but he's at least held his fort and deserves a second look.

Roloson? He would clear without any issues. No team is going to tackle his 3.667M contract - even at re-entry it's questionable. The guy is done.

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10-27-2008, 11:07 PM
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I love it how people think Roloson isn't even good enough for a beer league team, but are upset that Lowe/Tambellini won't trade him. If he is so awful, what team would want him?

And I can't see any organization trying to threaten a player into retirement.

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10-27-2008, 11:22 PM
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I love it how people think Roloson isn't even good enough for a beer league team, but are upset that Lowe/Tambellini won't trade him. If he is so awful, what team would want him?

And I can't see any organization trying to threaten a player into retirement.
Tambellini just might get some calls after tonight for a certain goalie...

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10-27-2008, 11:34 PM
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Ottawa, NYI, LA??? How are their situations???
Auld has been Solid in Ottawa.

NYI have the Red Wings old JDD (Joey McDonald).

The Kings have Ersberg who was excellent for them at the end of last year.

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10-27-2008, 11:35 PM
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I agree with BBO. It makes little sense to expose JDD to waivers, without subjecting him to further tests at the NHL level. Could he clear? Maybe, maybe not. It would be one thing if JDD was terrible in the pre-season - but he's at least held his fort and deserves a second look.

Roloson? He would clear without any issues. No team is going to tackle his 3.667M contract - even at re-entry it's questionable. The guy is done.
Stick a fork in him.

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10-27-2008, 11:48 PM
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I would like Garon to start capitalizing on the opportunites he is given. There would be no goaltending issue if he could string together some consistent wins.

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10-27-2008, 11:53 PM
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Just wondering about thoughts on this. Are we going to keep the 3 up until the trading deadline? Or trade one earlier than that? I suppose we could always bank on one of them getting injured (law of averages for our team!).

Personally, I think this needs to get taken care of sooner rather than later. As much as they say they're fine with the situation, it's gotta be wearing hard on the goalies. Rollie has played what..2 games (including preseason) since last spring? JDD is not going to develop much sitting around with 2 others, and Garon is going to have a hard time finding a rhythm as the #1. There's also the whole "room dynamic" that this situation can negatively effect.

I'm not sold on Garon as a #1 at all. I think he shows flashes or brilliance, but is very succeptilbe to the bad goal. We need top flight goaltending to survive in this league, and those bad goals are going to be something he's gotta correct.

It's tough to say anything about Rollie. He played well down the stretch last year, but I thought he looked bad in Chicago game, with poor lateral movement and big rebounds. That was either because he's aged, or because he's rusty. I still think if he's the type of goalie that can go on a real hot streak as we've seen in the past.

I'm not sure JDD would get swiped if we put him on waivers to send him to the minors. Pretty much every team has decent prospects in their system and have a serviceable backup. He's not a #1 at this point.
Whats to solve, why are goalies any different than other players, why are they immune from being in the PB?..its up to the goalies to make the best of their opportunities, if a guy wins a few in a row they will run with him until he falls.

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Add in a second and take on a equally worse signing we might have a deal.

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After Roloson's game in Boston tonight. I wouldn't be surprised to see him start next game.

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After Roloson's game in Boston tonight. I wouldn't be surprised to see him start next game.
I think he should. Gotta ride the hot hand.

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Stick a fork in him.
One really good game doesn't mean much in the grand scheme of things DB. If he can do this consistently he will have proven his worth by a country mile.

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Start him. No brainer. Roli was head and shoulders the best player on the ice tonight.

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Tambellini just might get some calls after tonight for a certain goalie...
And I wouldn't trade him.

I'd put JDD in the pressbox for the rest of the season and let Garon and Roli drag this team along.

Throw the 3 headed monster under the bus. JD will survive. He's survived worse.

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I love it how people think Roloson isn't even good enough for a beer league team, but are upset that Lowe/Tambellini won't trade him. If he is so awful, what team would want him?
It's not his playing skills that's the problem. It's his contract.

Roli's got the skills but not many teams can work his contract into a fair trade at this point in the season. Thank the CBA for that.

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