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10-28-2008, 09:38 PM
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Tampa Bay has probably succeeded so well because half the residents there are from New England.
I'd like to see you post some stats to back that up.

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So...they should be contracted?
Don't worry, you're not the only one who's not following the "logic" here. If the League dumped every team who had a bad game, there'd be no one left.

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10-28-2008, 09:45 PM
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So...they should be contracted?
The contracted comment was more-so out of frustration, but it would be nice.

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10-28-2008, 09:51 PM
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Thank god Versus showed this game instead of the thrilling 4-3 Caps/Nashville game.

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10-28-2008, 09:53 PM
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It's almost a guarantee that Kovalchuk doesn't re-sign there, why would he want to?
It could change if they ownership shows better commitment. Start by firing Waddell, then decide if the future of the organization involves Kovalchuk, and if it does, how do we get better players around him. It's not like the Thrashers don't have decent players, they lack an identity and a real commitment to win. Scott Mellanby brought that to the team, and he left with it as well.

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10-28-2008, 10:10 PM
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I have a feeling in 4 yrs, we'll be talking about the Las Vegas Thrashers. An NHL team in Atlanta isn't going to succeed, nobody there knows much about hockey because Atlanta is full of native southerners. Tampa Bay has probably succeeded so well because half the residents there are from New England. The NHL needs to admit its mistake and move on.
Atlanta has a good amount of transplants there. Which is a double edged sword some who already have a favorite team from back home, but at least they are familiar with the sport. It's not a bunch of country hicks.

The issue is not location it's lack of icing a winning product. Not trying to belittle Thrasher fans but if there was a playoff caliber team there for a decent amount of time they would have plenty in the seats. Look at Chicago even they couldn't pack the stands when they stunk.

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10-28-2008, 10:10 PM
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10 years.

Two first overall picks.
Two second overall picks.
A third overall pick.
8 picks in the top 12.

A single season of more wins than losses.

No playoff wins.

Traded Coburn for Zhitnik.

Traded a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and checker for 2 months of Tkachuk.

Thrashers fans, you have my respect - it takes courage to go down with the ship.
The Hossa trade looks pretty good.

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10-28-2008, 10:18 PM
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I have a feeling in 4 yrs, we'll be talking about the Las Vegas Thrashers. An NHL team in Atlanta isn't going to succeed, nobody there knows much about hockey because Atlanta is full of native southerners. Tampa Bay has probably succeeded so well because half the residents there are from New England. The NHL needs to admit its mistake and move on.
You you should look up the facts before you just spew forth this crap.

There are nearly 1 million northern-born people in Atlanta--more than in Tampa Bay area. But hey, don't let actual facts or data get in the way of your sweeping generalizations.

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10-28-2008, 10:20 PM
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1 More after this season.
Thats it? Wow. This will probably be his last full season in Atlanta.

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10-28-2008, 10:21 PM
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You you should look up the facts before you just spew forth this crap.

There are nearly 1 million northern-born people in Atlanta--more than in Tampa Bay area. But hey, don't let actual facts or data get in the way of your sweeping generalizations.
weren't too many of them there tonight, couldn't have been above 10k in the building and I don't care what the official numbers say

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10-28-2008, 10:21 PM
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Sink this ship....why not just contract them?
Too bad we didn't contract the Red Wings after they failed to draw during the Dead Wings period.

Too bad we didn't contract the Blackhawks when they failed to draw during the end of the Wirtz nightmare.

Why don't we just contract the Bruins where the fans fail to turn out in large numbers of a regular playoff contender.

Oh wait--could it be that the quality of the hockey product matters? Could it be that consumers are smart to not shell out their money for a bad product. Nope, just contract them, that couldn't possibly be the problem.

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10-28-2008, 10:23 PM
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weren't too many of them there tonight, couldn't have been above 10k in the building and I don't care what the official numbers say
And how many of those yankees did you see in Tampa's building when they sucked for their first decade? Not very many either. So it just goes to show you that the quality of the on ice product matters--even to people born up north like myself.

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10-28-2008, 10:24 PM
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10 years.

Two first overall picks.
Two second overall picks.
A third overall pick.
8 picks in the top 12.

A single season of more wins than losses.

No playoff wins.

Traded Coburn for Zhitnik.

Traded a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and checker for 2 months of Tkachuk.

Thrashers fans, you have my respect - it takes courage to go down with the ship.
Woah, I've never seen those draft stats. Thats pathetic.

I feel sorry for the true fans left there, because it would be near impossible to still be a fan of that organization. Unfortunately I can't see a team staying there, extremely poor management.

I hope the same doesn't happen to Columbus.

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10-28-2008, 10:26 PM
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As a Thrashers fan, I have seen far worse on ice products.

The fact is, you are making a judgement based on one game.
Not true at all, as I didn't even watch this game. But thanks for being incorrect.

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10-28-2008, 10:27 PM
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Waddell needs to go. And now is a good time to do it. They need a new vision, and soon. Start with a new GM, then build the team through smart drafting/trades (and maybe a free agent or two), and within 3 years they should be competitive on a yearly basis for the playoffs.

But as long as Waddell is there, this team is going no where. It's too bad there's nothing Bettman could do to essentially force Waddell out.

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10-28-2008, 10:31 PM
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Too bad we didn't contract the Red Wings after they failed to draw during the Dead Wings period.

Too bad we didn't contract the Blackhawks when they failed to draw during the end of the Wirtz nightmare.

Why don't we just contract the Bruins where the fans fail to turn out in large numbers of a regular playoff contender.

All three of the above have a history of popular support in their respective cities. Atlanta does not.

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10-28-2008, 10:34 PM
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Waddell = Mediocre

Pretty much sums up the situation.

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10-28-2008, 10:36 PM
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Woah, I've never seen those draft stats. Thats pathetic.
Is it?

http://hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/teams/dr00004682.html

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10-28-2008, 10:39 PM
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I feel for Thrashers fans. An inept GM can ruin a team - I've lived through it with O'Connell. At least with Chiarelli the prospect pool is getting restocked.

If the Thrashers overhaul management and DON'T trade away assets like candy, they can easily be competitive. There is no reason to contract the team yet; we need to see how the market reacts when there is a good product on the ice.

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10-28-2008, 10:39 PM
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All three of the above have a history of popular support in their respective cities. Atlanta does not.
Detroit, Chicago and Boston all have a history of NOT supporting their teams when they suck for long periods. Compare that to Atlanta which has 1 playoff appearance in 9 years and zero playoff wins in 9 years. Show me a stretch where Detroit packed their arena with that level of awfulness.

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Detroit, Chicago and Boston all have a history of NOT supporting their teams when they suck for long periods. Compare that to Atlanta which has 1 playoff appearance in 9 years and zero playoff wins in 9 years. Show me a stretch where Detroit packed their arena with that level of awfulness.
Once again, history of hockey in those cities.

Atlanta has been in the NHL how many years?

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Bettman will hand them Tavares or Hedman to keep them afloat.
I want a detailed written response on how Bettman will hand Tavares or Hedman to the Thrashers please.

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Detroit, Chicago and Boston all have a history of NOT supporting their teams when they suck for long periods. Compare that to Atlanta which has 1 playoff appearance in 9 years and zero playoff wins in 9 years. Show me a stretch where Detroit packed their arena with that level of awfulness.
The Chicago and Boston situations were because of ownership, not awfulness.

One owner blacked out games while the other owner kept his purse strings closed and controlled every single decision for the longest time. It's easy to lose fans when ownership alienates their fanbase.

There are a large amount of people who won't go to a B's game because they are boycotting the Jacobs ownership. It's sad but true. If the B's had a different owner they would not have an attendance problem. Even when things go well, people sing the "same ****, different year" tune.

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Detroit, Chicago and Boston all have a history of NOT supporting their teams when they suck for long periods. Compare that to Atlanta which has 1 playoff appearance in 9 years and zero playoff wins in 9 years. Show me a stretch where Detroit packed their arena with that level of awfulness.
I agree completely, every city is a fairweather city (except maybe Toronto, the Leafs are a lifestyle almost), nobody is going to show up in Detroit if they lose for 9 seasons straight, the only thing that matters is winning. Some teams will support their teams more than others all things being equal, but winning is whats most important.

The worry is though that I don't see success in the near future for the Thrashers, in fact its going to get worse once they lose Kovalchuk, and with no solid base, how do you justify keeping a franchise there?

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The Chicago and Boston situations were because of ownership, not awfulness.

One owner blacked out games while the other owner kept his purse strings closed and controlled every single decision for the longest time. It's easy to lose fans when ownership alienates their fanbase.

There are a large amount of people who won't go to a B's game because they are boycotting the Jacobs ownership. It's sad but true. If the B's had a different owner they would not have an attendance problem. Even when things go well, people sing the "same ****, different year" tune.
Are you going to tell me with a straight face that if the Blackhawks had been winning Cups in the 2000-2008 period people in Chicago would have stayed home and NOT bought tickets. Look Wirtz treated his fans like dirt for 20+ years. Once J. Roenick and Belfour left and the team stopped winning THAT'S WHEN the fans stopped coming to games. If the Hawks had put a product out there they would have filled that building in spite of their owner.

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Once again, history of hockey in those cities.

Atlanta has been in the NHL how many years?
You can't prove a positive with a negative. You can't prove that Atlanta will not support a competitive team until you have a competitive team in that market. Everything people say about Atlanta you could have said about Tampa when they sucked for a decade, or Anaheim in their first 10 years.

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