HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > NHL Eastern Conference > Metropolitan Division > New York Rangers
Mobile Hockey's Future Become a Sponsor Site Rules Support Forum vBookie Page 2
Notices

prospect David Skokan is already in Europe. do you know why?

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old
11-03-2008, 11:00 AM
  #1
alko
Registered User
 
alko's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Slovakia
Country: Slovakia
Posts: 1,895
vCash: 500
prospect David Skokan is already in Europe. do you know why?

Hi
do you have some infos about David Skokan? why is he left to europe?

alko is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
11-03-2008, 11:05 AM
  #2
FutureGM97
Registered User
 
FutureGM97's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Connecticut, USA
Country: United States
Posts: 6,833
vCash: 500
Send a message via AIM to FutureGM97
im pretty sure he realizes he is not going to be making the Rangers and could probably get better playing time in Europe.

FutureGM97 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
11-03-2008, 11:36 AM
  #3
Ola
Registered User
 
Ola's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Sweden
Country: Sweden
Posts: 17,797
vCash: 500
Skokan and Zabrosky where basically the Slovaks best forwards in their year group. Our Slovak scout, Jan something, did well and got the best players in that area.

But, beeing the best players in Slovakia wasn't enough. They are two solid complete hockeyplayers, but all over the board they just isn't quite good enough.

I think its safe to say that both never will play in the NHL. All our guys in HFD are pretty solid NHL prospects, it could even be tough for Z and Skokan to establish themself at that level.

So I think the intentions where good with thoose picks. It was possible that the rest of the scouts missed something with thoose two guys, it is de facto very hard to cross scout players. Like its one thing to see that Z and Skokan are the best Slovaks, its another to compare one player in Slovakia with a player in Sweden or the USA for example. And in order to find steals that late in the draft you need to gamble, you need to find something that everyone else is missing.

But this time it didn't work out.

Ola is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
11-03-2008, 11:54 AM
  #4
squishy
Registered User
 
squishy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 4,149
vCash: 500
I think it's a little premature to write either one off completely. Particular Zaborsky, as the Rangers obviously saw enough in him to offer him an NHL deal over the summer.

Skokan was only offered an AHL deal and with the team in Hartford already stacked with forwards, he was looking at spending the season in Charlotte of the ECHL and opted to go home and play instead.

squishy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
11-03-2008, 12:42 PM
  #5
eco's bones
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Elmira NY
Country: United States
Posts: 12,672
vCash: 500
Skokan I believe had the option of returning to the QMJHL as an overage but wanted to turn pro. The Rangers obliged him with the AHL contract but he didn't make the final cut in Hartford and was sent to Charlotte--then decided to return to the Slovakian league. Over the last year or so Blueshirt Bulletin paid a lot of attention to him and saw a bit of a Sean Avery clone but they thought he was still too raw--that he needed another season in juniors to round out his game more.

eco's bones is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
11-03-2008, 01:15 PM
  #6
Pizza
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 10,059
vCash: 500
With the possible exception of Carl Hagelin, the '07 draft now appears very weak.

Pizza is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
11-03-2008, 04:43 PM
  #7
hlundqvist30*
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 7,520
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pizza View Post
With the possible exception of Carl Hagelin, the '07 draft now appears very weak.
To be fair to the scouts, coaches, and Maloney and Sather, it was thought that Cherepanov alone made the draft a major success. Luckily our personnel did a fantastic job from 2003-2006 in order for it to not drastically hurt our farm system.

hlundqvist30* is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
11-03-2008, 04:47 PM
  #8
McRanger
Registered User
 
McRanger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 2,772
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pizza View Post
With the possible exception of Carl Hagelin, the '07 draft now appears very weak.
We only had 2 picks before the 5th round, and one of them passed away, so its understandable.

McRanger is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
11-03-2008, 04:59 PM
  #9
gravytrain6t
Registered User
 
gravytrain6t's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Long Island
Country: United States
Posts: 2,867
vCash: 500
We had a d man from Slovakia as well. Baranka I believe? I guess it's safe to assume he'll be staying in Europe as well. But he was pretty well touted a year or two ago.

gravytrain6t is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
11-04-2008, 01:17 AM
  #10
Pizza
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 10,059
vCash: 500
I agree with both of you, but essentially losing a draft hurts.

It could be said that the Z trade has the potential of at least salvaging the '03 draft. And we have done well with later round picks in other drafts. Those later picks have really been the saving grace for us and our prospect pool imo.

I really think this years draft might be a gem with Del Z, Gratchev and Weiss.

It would just be great if we could draft and develop a legit 1st line impact forward with a first round pick one of these years.

Pizza is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
11-04-2008, 08:04 AM
  #11
hlundqvist30*
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 7,520
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pizza View Post
I agree with both of you, but essentially losing a draft hurts.

It could be said that the Z trade has the potential of at least salvaging the '03 draft. And we have done well with later round picks in other drafts. Those later picks have really been the saving grace for us and our prospect pool imo.

I really think this years draft might be a gem with Del Z, Gratchev and Weiss.

It would just be great if we could draft and develop a legit 1st line impact forward with a first round pick one of these years.
Understood. You have to remember though, most recently, we've drafted Montoya, Sanguinetti, Staal, Del Zotto, Korpikoski, and Cherepanov with our 1st round picks. That's a goalie, 3 defenseman, and 2 forwards, one of which is not alive anymore.

We drafted Montoya upon the retirement of Richter and the end of Dan Blackburn. Anyone who thought Henrik was going to be what he is today is simply lying. While in hindsight we'd love to change that draft pick, you can not by any means blame team management for drafting him. If Lundqvist had the fate of 99% of 7th round picks then Montoya would likely be our starter right now. If we don't draft Montoya and Lundqvist doesn't develop into a super star, as was more than likely, then we are probably stuck with Kevin Weekes or someone else of his abilities as our starting goalie.

Now onto Staal, Sanguinetti, and Del Zotto. Staal was simply a no brainer. Nobody can argue that. That move was just pure genius. Sanguinetti and Del Zotto are similar in that they were both drafted in the late first round, both are gifted offensive defensemen, and both are considered by many steals. We have a lot to see before we can consider either of them even NHL defensemen, but in all likelihood at least one of them will develop to be a top 4 defenseman. Considering our need for defenseman, especially of the offensive caliber, both these draft picks made plenty of sense. Hopefully at least one of them develops to his potential.

That leaves Korpikoski and Cherepanov. Korpikoski was drafted based on his speed and defensive abilities, though we did have high hopes for him as a productive offensive forward. Looking at him now, he looks to be a productive NHL player; definitely a top 9 forward. Did we hope for better? Of course. You can't expect to nail every single draft pick, though. That is not realistic. We'll absolutely take him for what he is. Cherepanov was 100% what you are asking for. For that reason it's even more unfortunate what happened. Clearly can't knock anyone for this draft pick not being successful.

So that puts us here since 2004:

Successes: Marc Staal
Likely Successes: Sanguinetti
Moderate Successes: Korpikoski
Failures: Montoya, Cherepanov (both due to scenarios that, for both cases, were impossible to predict).
Unknown: Del Zotto (so far so good)

This tells us a few things. Of our past 6 first rounders, we have selected 2 forwards. One of them was a tragic accident, the other will likely not reach first round potential but will still be a top-9 forward. In terms of utilizing our draft picks when used on forwards, you can only blame Sather and Co. for Korpikoski, but even then, he is HARDLY a waste of a draft pick.

This also tells us that draft picks were used to address needs. Montoya and the D-men were blatant needs at the time of each one's selection. Since these 2 are BY FAR our best situations long term, it is likely that our next few draft picks will be used on forwards.

Finally, the same way you're complaining about that 1 forward, you KNOW that there are numerous teams out there saying, "The Rangers have a great 2nd pairing defenseman in Girardi, and have Marc Staal as a likely franchise defenseman and Sanguinetti and Del Zotto as potential ones. How the hell did they pull that off? I wish we could have just one of them." Though we could very much use that 1st liner, we'll probably be addressing that very soon, and in the mean time, I will enjoy what so far looks to be an incredible success with the drafting of our D-men.

hlundqvist30* is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
11-04-2008, 08:08 AM
  #12
alko
Registered User
 
alko's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Slovakia
Country: Slovakia
Posts: 1,895
vCash: 500
and hoiw is it with the rights for Skokan? how long will have Rnagers him in the "prospect" list???

alko is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:56 AM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. 2014 All Rights Reserved.