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02-27-2004, 02:11 PM
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Pittsburgh-LA Proposal

To LA: Dick Tarnstrom
To Pittsburgh: Aaron Rome and a 3rd rounder in 2004

LA needs defensive help and Tarnstrom would fit nicely with Norstrom. Pittsburgh gets a future top 3 defenseman and a 3rd rounder.

Would this work?

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Rome doesn't interest me, we have too many defensive prospects at or above his level.

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02-27-2004, 02:13 PM
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How about instead...

To LA: Dick Tarnstrom
To Pitt: Jeff Tambellini

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That one I'm more interested in.

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That one I'm more interested in.
As am I. Still don't know if I'm for trading Tarnstrom or not.

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How about instead...

To LA: Dick Tarnstrom
To Pitt: Jeff Tambellini
NO! Please quit making band-aid proposals for LA.

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How about instead...

To LA: Dick Tarnstrom
To Pitt: Jeff Tambellini
Nice try

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To LA: Dick Tarnstrom
To Pittsburgh: Aaron Rome and a 3rd rounder in 2004

LA needs defensive help and Tarnstrom would fit nicely with Norstrom. Pittsburgh gets a future top 3 defenseman and a 3rd rounder.

Would this work?

nice try too
Tarnstrom isn't that easy...

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02-27-2004, 02:39 PM
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Ugh. Niether of us would do this. i dont see Tarnstrom as valuable as others do and Rome will be a dandy. Not that Tarnstrom isn't but if we want to take him from his team then we will have to pay more than he is worth, why bother when we have Grebeshkov/Rome/Zizka/Corvo/Lubo/Petiot etc ready to fill in. IF it were for a player that fit our needs (gritty solid stay at home type) then yes. We have four of the best defencive scorers in the game. We simply don't need Tarnstrom.

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02-27-2004, 02:45 PM
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There is no way i would trade Tarnstrom at this point, he is way more valuable to the team than anything we would get in trade.

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02-27-2004, 02:46 PM
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Tarnstrom's value is similar to that of Daryl Sydor... except that Dicky T. is top ten in the league in defenseman scoring, while playing on the league's worst offensive team. Wait and see what our return for Tarnstrom will be by March 9.

Jim Rome and a pick won't quite cut it.

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Tarnstrom's value is similar to that of Daryl Sydor... except that Dicky T. is top ten in the league in defenseman scoring, while playing on the league's worst offensive team. Wait and see what our return for Tarnstrom will be by March 9.

Jim Rome and a pick won't quite cut it.
Jim Rome the radio guy?

I don't think trading Aaron Rome or Jeff Tambellini for a Dick Tarnstrom is the answer. I think we'd be making a big mistake letting either of them go.

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02-27-2004, 03:41 PM
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Well said Lucky!!!

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tarnstrom is a PP specialist with barely two years of exp. on his resume and Sydor has how many years in the NHL

So to say the two have similier trade potential is like saying Bill Wirtz is a sweet heart when it comes to dealing with fans

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02-27-2004, 03:49 PM
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Tarnstrom's value is similar to that of Daryl Sydor... except that Dicky T. is top ten in the league in defenseman scoring, while playing on the league's worst offensive team. Wait and see what our return for Tarnstrom will be by March 9.

Jim Rome and a pick won't quite cut it.

Tarnstrom's value probably doesn't approach the value of Sydor's left skate. Yeah, Tarnstrom is very talented offensively. In fact, on a team with high powered forwards, he could put up very big numbers. However, he is very weak in his own zone and doesn't have much of a physical game. Even on a team as weak as Pitt, Tarnstrom's +/- is humiliating. Not the sort of guy you want around for a playoff run.

Sydor's value reflected his offensive abilities and his general competence in his own end of the ice.

The deals Nikolia are offering here are more than fair -even generous.

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The deals Nikolia are offering here are more than fair -even generous.
I think overly generous

 
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I think overly generous

Yeah, I agree. That said, having watch Tarnstrom on the Island, I can tell you that he has got the goods as far as offensive skills are concerned. On a contending team, he could probably put up some significant numbers.

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Not sure if he is the type of dman we need right now. If we can get him for Rosa and a 4th I'd do it, but not for Rome. I agree with punchy in that he is a fine looking dman that plays with an edge, which IS something our defense needs.

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On a contending team, he could probably put up some significant numbers.
He is putting up significant numbers on the Penguins......... 11 goals, 35 points.

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While Tarnstrom is not a threat to win a Norris Trophy, he is not NEARLY as bad in the defensive zone as so many people around here are saying.

Though his lack of strength may prevent him from being able to match up against the Todd Bertuzzis of the league, he is very calm in the defensive zone and makes a GREAT first pass, or will skate the puck up ice himself.

Tarnstrom's game is about hockey sense and poise with the puck. These strengths do not only exist in the offensive zone. If you are a smart player, you are a smart player, period.

And lastly, part of the reason why Tarnstrom looks weak in the defensive zone is because Pittsburgh as a whole are atrocious defensively, both the forwards and the defense. So Tarnstrom will have to go out of position at times to compensate for his teammates and look bad.

As I said, I would not classify him as a great defensive defenseman, but as long as people keep under-rating Tarnstrom's talent (and ignoring the fact that he is arguably the best bargain in the league and still signed another year), we will continue to see these ridiculous Tarnstrom proposals.

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02-27-2004, 06:27 PM
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Tarnstrom's value probably doesn't approach the value of Sydor's left skate. Yeah, Tarnstrom is very talented offensively. In fact, on a team with high powered forwards, he could put up very big numbers. However, he is very weak in his own zone and doesn't have much of a physical game. Even on a team as weak as Pitt, Tarnstrom's +/- is humiliating. Not the sort of guy you want around for a playoff run.

Sydor's value reflected his offensive abilities and his general competence in his own end of the ice.

The deals Nikolia are offering here are more than fair -even generous.
Bah, Tarnstrom is younger *and* far less expensive than Sydor. At between 1 and 2 million he's a bargain. The price for him will be steep, as I fully expect whatever team loses out on the Gonchar sweepstakes to pull him in as a desperation move.

For once, Patrick can sit on the offers that he doesn't like. Tarnstrom is valuable to this team, affordable, and still will be under UFA age after the CBA storm settles. I'd expect a Sydor-like return.

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Bah, Tarnstrom is younger *and* far less expensive than Sydor. At between 1 and 2 million he's a bargain. The price for him will be steep, as I fully expect whatever team loses out on the Gonchar sweepstakes to pull him in as a desperation move.

For once, Patrick can sit on the offers that he doesn't like. Tarnstrom is valuable to this team, affordable, and still will be under UFA age after the CBA storm settles. I'd expect a Sydor-like return.

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Whoever wants Tarnstrom is going to have to slightly overwhelm the Pens in a trade. This is caused by cheap contract, not a rental, and is in the Top 10 in points by dmen. He also, I believe at the time, is the leading point producer on the Pens. There will prob. be a bidding war over him once Gonchar is gone. Not to mention that teams with moderate payrolls would probably be more willing to go after Tarnstrom than Gonchar.

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On a contending team, he could probably put up some significant numbers.
I am of the same opinion. I also think that his defensive game gets a bad rap because he's playing on a team that is, basically, every man for himself in the defensive zone. It's just chaos out there.

I think he's a top 2 on a lot of teams and a legitimate top 4 on a contender. Dirt cheap to boot, which is why I don't think he'll be dealt.

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Bah, Tarnstrom is younger *and* far less expensive than Sydor. At between 1 and 2 million he's a bargain. The price for him will be steep, as I fully expect whatever team loses out on the Gonchar sweepstakes to pull him in as a desperation move.

For once, Patrick can sit on the offers that he doesn't like. Tarnstrom is valuable to this team, affordable, and still will be under UFA age after the CBA storm settles. I'd expect a Sydor-like return.

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Yeah, Tarnstrom makes less than Sydor. That doesn't change the fact that he isn't in Sydor's league overall.

I watched Tarnstrom play for about 80 games on the Island, and I've seen him play about 40 games in a Pitt uniform. He is nowhere near as strong a defensemen as you guys are saying. He is small and gets overpowered down low and doens't make good defensive reads.

I do think his offensive skills are high end. But, part of the reason he gets so many points is because he doesn't have to worry about defense in Pitt since there is no defensive system. He might score more with a better teammates, but a his deficits would also be exposed on a better team.

You are dreaming if you really believe you are going to get a Svitov-level return for him. You'll be lucky if you get a 2nd rounder and a lessor prospect.

He certainly is not "top two on a lot of teams" as argued above. He isn't even likely to be top four on one of the better teams. I do think he is a player teams will want, but not at the price you guys are suggesting.

Nikolai's offer was more than fair. In fact, it was generous and the Pens aren't going to get nearly that kind of return at the end of the day.


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If he is cheap and signed another year and is not bad..Why would Pitt trade him? He sounds exactly like what they want.

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