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Leafs going after Bouwmeester and/or Kovalchuk NOW

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10-31-2008, 04:40 PM
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To FLA:
Kaberle
2009 TO 2nd

To ATL:
TO 2009 1st
TO 2010 1st
Kulemin
Frolik
Stralman

To TO:
Bouwmeester
Kovalchuk

Hagman - Steen - Kovalchuk
Ponikarovsky - Antropov - Grabovski
Blake - Stajan - Tlusty
Hollweg - Moore - Mayers

Bouwmeester - Schenn
Kubina - Van Ryn
Finger - Coliacovo

Toskala
Joseph

Plan the parade
At first glance, this trade seemed like a lot to give up for a couple players from T.O.'s viewpoint, but the more I thought about it, the more it made sense to me. Toronto is in contention for a playoff spot at the moment, and by only giving up a couple fringe roster players, for a dynamic 40-50 goal scorer. Also, Bouwmeester-Kaberle are pretty equal now, but J-Bo is definitely an upgrade in age/potential. As for the future J-Bo is 24 and Kovalchuk is 25, so they're still pretty young and if T.O. does good, those 1st's wont be too much of a loss.

Atlanta would probably like it as well...Getting 2 1sts, Frolik, and a couple more good prospects is probably just as good as other offers they'd get. It's not like they're too concerned with winning now anyways.

Florida would definitely not do this...J-Bo and Frolik for Kaberle and a 2nd? No way.

All in all, nice dream for the Leafs, but quite unrealistic.

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10-31-2008, 04:46 PM
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Honestly that trade wouldn't make the Leafs any more than what the Wild were a few years ago - a team with a serious depth problem that can still contend for the playoffs because of strong system play.

I guess the trade is a bit rough on Florida, but Kaberle can give them roughly what Bouwmeester does in terms of quality and is signed for two more years at less money - whereas Bouwmeester is almost guaranteed to leave at the end of the season.

I guess Toronto could keep the pick, Florida could keep Frolik and the Leafs could send someone like Steen or Tlusty to the Thrashers instead.

Still there is Kaberle's no-trade clause to consider - and if he wouldn't waive it for the Flyers I don't see why he would for Florida.

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10-31-2008, 04:49 PM
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there is no a single reason to read this thread. Leafs simply do not have assets to get any of those players. The only trade you can imagine is Kulemin/Kaberle/Poggie for either Bowmeester or Kovalchuk.

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10-31-2008, 04:52 PM
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To FLA:
Kaberle
2009 TO 2nd

To ATL:
TO 2009 1st
TO 2010 1st
Kulemin
Frolik
Stralman

To TO:
Bouwmeester
Kovalchuk

Hagman - Steen - Kovalchuk
Ponikarovsky - Antropov - Grabovski
Blake - Stajan - Tlusty
Hollweg - Moore - Mayers

Bouwmeester - Schenn
Kubina - Van Ryn
Finger - Coliacovo

Toskala
Joseph

Plan the parade
I wish you were Detroit'a GM, then maybe everyone would have a chance at aqquiring what seems like there endless supply of talent without having to give up anything of value.

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10-31-2008, 04:53 PM
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Either way, I still say save the propects and sign the superstars in offseason...hopefully Nash wants to come to T.O. in couple years...he'd be way better than Kovalchuk or J-Bo.

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10-31-2008, 05:08 PM
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Does anyone else notice that these two teams are involved 90% of the time? Keep clicking on his site gullible Habs and Leafs fans...Eklund has bills he needs your help paying.
Does anyone else notice that this guy just realized this?

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10-31-2008, 05:11 PM
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I'd go after Kovalchuk long before Bouw if I'm the Leafs. I don't think that's true for many other teams, but they need that one bigtime scorer on the flanks.

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only way i'd want JBo is if he was re-signed....and if he was Florida wouldn't trade him.

So not happening, if wants to come to Toronto, tell him to talk to us July 1st and we'll make time for him

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10-31-2008, 06:22 PM
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Apparently Ek needed to bump up his traffic today.

Toronto wouldn't make this big of a deal--not while their future GM is still waiting in Anaheim

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10-31-2008, 06:33 PM
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Our 1st, 2nd, Kaberle, Stralman and Kulemin for Bouw and Koval?
I know you're sarcastic, hopefully, but please refrain.

I agree . There's no way this offer is getting the Leafs Bouwmeester and Kovalchuk.

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10-31-2008, 06:36 PM
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Toronto is in contention for a playoff spot at the moment....
Pretty big milestone after 10 games.

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Well nothing does, so I'd imagine his walls are pretty clean.
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Assuming this is true (which I am positive it's not), that the Leafs want these guys, what makes anyone think the Leafs have enough to pick up one of these guys? They're going to scorch the earth doing this and they're going to be in the same position they were in to begin with.


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Oh look it's the 31st of the month...looks like Eklund needs to pay the bills.

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10-31-2008, 07:46 PM
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You know you are in trouble, when you need to make a 3 way trade just to be able to include enough assets to make a deal like this.

Honestly, what exactly can the Leafs offer to Florida or Atlanta to make a deal like this happen? Neither team is really hurting when it comes to D, they both need young, potential high end offensive help...something Toronto does not have in the NHL or in their system.

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Assuming this is true (which I am positive it's not), that the Leafs want these guys, what makes anyone think the Leafs have enough to pick up one of these guys? They're going to scorch the earth doing this and they're going to be in the same position they were in to begin with.
yeah I really don't see the Leafs being able to get either guy unless they totally rob the other teams. They just don't have enough to offer. They've got some solid young players with nice upside but you can't move those guys without killing the organization.

If either of these guys become available there will be quite a few teams that will be able to outbid them

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remember who this coming from . . . eklund. if half the stuff he reported came true all nhl teams would look different

and remember, eklund lets a dog named burt make half of his picks and decisions . . .

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Oh look it's the 31st of the month...looks like Eklund needs to pay the bills.

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Oh look it's the 31st of the month...looks like Eklund needs to pay the bills.
Nothing like a nonsensical Leaf rumour to squeeze out those last few hundred hits.

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Next week Eklund will tell us that we are going after Gaborik and the Sedins.

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Well i think something like this could work if Bouwmeester agrees to an extension prior to trade.

To Toronto
D Jay Bouwmeester

To Florida
D Anton Stralman
C Mikhail Stefanovich
LW/RW Nikolai Kulemin
2010 Toronto's 1st

Ok! Flame away!

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Well i think something like this could work if Bouwmeester agrees to an extension prior to trade.

To Toronto
D Jay Bouwmeester

To Florida
D Anton Stralman
C Mikhail Stefanovich
LW/RW Nikolai Kulemin
2010 Toronto's 1st

Ok! Flame away!
I don't think that's enough ESPECIALLY if they haven't agreed to an extension (which can't be done until Jan.1 anyway)

Stralman is a good young dman but he doesn't have Bouwmeester potential at all, Stefanovick and Kulemin are pretty blah value as well. and the first is good.

They're probably going to want back some PROVEN locked up offense as a start of any deal

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I don't think that's enough ESPECIALLY if they haven't agreed to an extension (which can't be done until Jan.1 anyway)

Stralman is a good young dman but he doesn't have Bouwmeester potential at all, Stefanovick and Kulemin are pretty blah value as well. and the first is good.

They're probably going to want back some PROVEN locked up offense as a start of any deal
Yeah that is probably true!

Problem i had was Toronto's strength is its defense and C!

I Was thinking about putting Steen in proposal but they already have Horton and Weiss as there 1-2 with Frolik coming up!

Maybe take out Stefanovich and put in Kubina wtih a 3rd coming with Bouwmeester to even out the value!

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