Biron allowed 2 goals on 2 shots. That's how. If he saves one of those you have a chance to score on that 3rd goal and tie it up. Problem is that Biron probably would have allowed that puck to go in too.
So are you going to blame the goalie if you lose 1-0 or 2-0 in regulation? Maybe he should've made those two saves so the team has time to wake up offensively? It's never acceptable to get shut out. Scoring goals takes the pressure off your goaltender.
So are you going to blame the goalie if you lose 1-0 or 2-0 in regulation? Maybe he should've made those two saves so the team has time to wake up offensively? It's never acceptable to get shut out. Scoring goals takes the pressure off your goaltender.
Regulation and overtime are two different things. If you allow 2 goals on 30 shots with poor defense in front of you I'd say you did a hell of a job.
If you allow two shootout goals on two shootout shots, I'd say you suck pretty god damn bad.
Obviously they need to score goals, but they're not nearly as bad at scoring goals as they are at stopping them. Look at the numbers, they prove that.
And Biron by virtue of not stopping one of those two shots didn't even allow them to have a chance at at 3rd shot.
I have nothing against Bouwmeester. In terms of what he'd cost, and the likelyhood that they'd be unable to sign him even if they wanted to, I'd look at other options. I wouldn't mind seeing them pry Kaberle, Brewer, Klesla, or a couple of other similiar dmen loose from their teams. Most of the names I mentioned are signed longterm for less than 4 mil per season. They'd also cost less than Bouwmeester to acquire, and if they cost the same amount, I could live with it because they'd be more than rentals.
The other route would be a veteran dman without the hype of Bouwmeester on a one year contract.
My preference would still be seeing what a deal with Lupul as the centerpiece could get them. I don't like his extension. The Flyers depth makes him somewhat expendable, even though he's basicly been the opposite of the player he was in EDM.
If Shanny and Sundin arent too expensive its do able.
Lupul + Jones + Alberts + Kukkonen= around 7+ million
Yeah, but landing both big fish just isn't going to happen.
I'd rather make a few more move and rid ourselves of some of the leaches and go guns blazing for Mats.
But before any of that happens (or shortly there after)...'someone' needs to be fired.
Maybe it would take a Shanahan (with his experience) to come in and see how things are...and go to Homer and say "were going nowhere with this monkey".
How is adding Shanny solves:
No effort.
Bad or lazy penalties
Blown d-sive coverage
Average PK
Can’t connect passes
No game plan or any kind or adjustments during the game.
Below average goaltending .
Fundamental mistakes every other shift.
How is adding Shanny solves:
No effort.
Bad or lazy penalties
Blown d-sive coverage
Average PK
Can’t connect passes
No game plan or any kind or adjustments during the game.
Below average goaltending .
Fundamental mistakes every other shift.
I assume you are talking about Sundin if you are clearing $4 million. 1) You dont know if Sundin will disrupt the chemistry of the team compared to Knuble, not to mention that Sundin is a center and that is the strongest position on the team when Briere comes back. He started scoring when they moved him back to center.
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If Shanny and Sundin arent too expensive its do able.
Lupul + Jones + Alberts + Kukkonen= around 7+ million
So you are going to spread $7 million to Jbo, Sundin and Shanahan??
No, I believe he is saying how does Shanahan help with those issues, cause he doesnt......
This team needs two things
1) Better dmen
2) Better Coaching
For sure. Right now the goaltending has been mediocre at best and our defense (as a team) has less than be impressive. Collectively, as a group. I think the defense improves drastically when Jones and Parent return. At least I hope.
As for the coaching, well, that's a whole issue. I'm dumbfounded by the lack if energy to start the game seeing as they have had a few days to think about the egg they laid against the Oilers on Sunday.
It's pathetic and I'm a fool for waiting 4 days to see my favourite team **** the bed and mail it in.
For sure. Right now the goaltending has been mediocre at best and our defense (as a team) has less than be impressive. Collectively, as a group. I think the defense improves drastically when Jones and Parent return. At least I hope.
As for the coaching, well, that's a whole issue. I'm dumbfounded by the lack if energy to start the game seeing as they have had a few days to think about the egg they laid against the Oilers on Sunday.
It's pathetic and I'm a fool for waiting 4 days to see my favourite team **** the bed and mail it in.
Something has to give, this is a joke!
I am sorry, but I cant pin my hopes on Jones and Timonen. First of all, defense is not Jones strength and while Parent will probably be a great dman sooner rather than later, he is still a rookie.
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fixed.
Whatever order you want to put them in, it doesnt matter....they are the two issues we have at the moment.
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Honeslty as slow as Knuble is I think it would do more harm to trade him. We barely have any Veterans left.
I think he is a big part of the chemistry of this team and I would hate to move him, unless, it is a necessity to get a stud dman in here.
There is absolutely no reason what so ever to move him and replace him with Shanny. Knuble is better than him at this point in their career anyway.
Regulation and overtime are two different things. If you allow 2 goals on 30 shots with poor defense in front of you I'd say you did a hell of a job.
If you allow two shootout goals on two shootout shots, I'd say you suck pretty god damn bad.
Obviously they need to score goals, but they're not nearly as bad at scoring goals as they are at stopping them. Look at the numbers, they prove that.
And Biron by virtue of not stopping one of those two shots didn't even allow them to have a chance at at 3rd shot.
spoken like a guy who has never played goaltender but will critisize the efforts of those who do. I'd like to see those numbers I'm sure you have them handy....go ahead and put them up.
According to the Edmonton Journal, the Philadelphia Flyers remain interested in unrestricted free agent forward Brendan Shanahan. The paper claims the Flyers believe they might be able to lure Shanahan into accepting a deal worth $750,000 this season, where he would play on the left wing with Jeff Carter and Scottie Upshall.
The Boston Bruins and Chicago Blackhawks are also interested in Shanahan, and TFP has learned that the 39-year-old is considering both options.
From the Editor: The recent addition of Matt Carle puts the Flyers closer to the salary cap, and that might take them out of the Shanahan running, unless they make another move. I'd be surprised if Shanny takes $750k. The numbers I'm hearing are closer to $1.5M to $2M. The Blackhawks and Bruins are still very much in the hunt, and both are waiting on an answer. -- David Pagnotta
Chuck Gormley reports Brendan Shanahan's agent claims his client could be signing with a new team by the end of this week, possibly as early as Wednesday. Agent Rick Curran confirms the Philadelphia Flyers are a serious contender for Shanahan's services but said his client need to talk to other people before making a decision. Gormley reports the "Pittsburgh Penguins, New Jersey Devils, St. Louis Blues and Chicago Blackhawks" are also believed interested in Shanahan. It's been suggested Shanahan might sign for between $700-$900K but Curran indicated the one year contract could be higher than that.
"Is Philadelphia a serious contender? Absolutely," Shanahan's agent, Rick Curran, told the Courier-Post. "There are people Brendan needs to talk to before he has all the information to make a decision."
TFP has learned that wherever Shanahan ends up, he will sign a one-year contract worth around $1.5 million.
was a little surprised to see reports that Shanny would be signing for around $700,000, and apparently so was his agent, who told the Courier-Post that it'll be much more than that.
Flyers are up close to the cap and might not be able to sign him for around $1.5M
15min tops. He scores 50-55pts and I am greaful.
2nd PP unit.
You're dreaming if you think he'll get 55 points in 68 games. We got to know him very well in NY, and he's just not what he was. Go ahead, sign him, it'll make the Division easier for us.
You're dreaming if you think he'll get 55 points in 68 games. We got to know him very well in NY, and he's just not what he was. Go ahead, sign him, it'll make the Division easier for us.
Well, in NY you can not score more then 2.5 goal per game, you can not score on PP.
Looks like Dubinsky, Voros slowed down and Drury only scored in 3 out of 18 games.
50pts is not out of the question, he scored 48 in 72 games on the team that could not score last year.
The more I think of this happening, the more I think it may not be worth it. Until the last few games, we've had no problem scoring goals, its basically the fact that we are having trouble keeping the puck out of our net.
Now I don't pretend to know everything about the finances and the actual business of hockey, but would it make any sense to actually go for a better goalie? I'm not saying to give up on Biron. But could it make any sense to package Niitty with one of our forwards/prospects for Lehtonen? I'm sure Atlanta would want more in return though, and I'm sure in a year we wouldnt be able to afford him if someone gives him an offer(i think he's a RFA next year?)....plus Lehtonen could be bust, but I doubt it. He plays on a horrible team so his numbers can be hard to compare.
I just don't know what could make this team any better. It seems like we have too much talent to be this bad. Yes we are lacking some defensemen right now, but serioulsy...we look like we should be a much better team right now.
The more I think of this happening, the more I think it may not be worth it. Until the last few games, we've had no problem scoring goals, its basically the fact that we are having trouble keeping the puck out of our net.
Now I don't pretend to know everything about the finances and the actual business of hockey, but would it make any sense to actually go for a better goalie? I'm not saying to give up on Biron. But could it make any sense to package Niitty with one of our forwards/prospects for Lehtonen? I'm sure Atlanta would want more in return though, and I'm sure in a year we wouldnt be able to afford him if someone gives him an offer(i think he's a RFA next year?)....plus Lehtonen could be bust, but I doubt it. He plays on a horrible team so his numbers can be hard to compare.
I just don't know what could make this team any better. It seems like we have too much talent to be this bad. Yes we are lacking some defensemen right now, but serioulsy...we look like we should be a much better team right now.
Agreed. Hey, I like Shanahan, always have. If they ultimately sign him and he helps us, so be it. However, he surely does NOT solve the issues that are causing this team to lose at the moment which are TERRIBLE team defense, soft goaltending to date and the lack of any organization on the ice what-so-ever.
