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11-05-2008, 11:55 AM
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AHL to Kansas City?

Can anybody please tell if the AHL is going to Kansas City Mo anytime soon or if a team is moving there?.

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11-05-2008, 12:26 PM
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There are no announced plans of putting an AHL team in KC. Relocation is always a possibility, but nothing has come out recently to suggest that there is even an ownership looking to put a team in KC.

Right now, there is one franchise that isn't active (Edmonton's), but it largely held tha they will either sell outright to Dallas so they can put a team near Austin, TX or a shuffling of franchises (but not locations) that will accomplish the same thing.

So the short answer to your question is no, there are plans for an AHL team to move to KC anytime soon.

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Can anybody please tell if the AHL is going to Kansas City Mo anytime soon or if a team is moving there?.
doesn't appear the NHL ISN'T EITHER in this economic time, sorry

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11-05-2008, 06:35 PM
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I wonder how enthusiastically a "major league" market like Kansas City would embrace minor-league hockey, especially when KC was floated around as a possible NHL location.

If you look at places like Milwaukee, Houston, San Antonio, and Charlotte...you can see that none of those cities are exactly beating down the arena door to watch minor league hockey. Perhaps it's because all four of those cities are dominated by the NBA franchise which play in their market. Since Kansas City does not have NBA competition, perhaps a minor league hockey team would fare better amongst the locals.

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If you look at places like Milwaukee, Houston, San Antonio, and Charlotte...you can see that none of those cities are exactly beating down the arena door to watch minor league hockey. Perhaps it's because all four of those cities are dominated by the NBA franchise which play in their market. Since Kansas City does not have NBA competition, perhaps a minor league hockey team would fare better amongst the locals.
I think Houston and Milwaukee are curious choices to point out as "cities are exactly beating down the arena door to watch minor league hockey." The last three years, Houston has been in the Top 10 in AHL attendance. Milwaukee has been above the AHL average 2 out of the last three years.

I won't argue with San Antonio, but that could be more due to the fact that the team has been bad for a long time.

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I also think the Ads have a deal for the bradley center so they dont pay rent on sunday thru thursday games. I went there last year and didnt like it to much. I love the city of milwaukee I have family there but that arena isnt a hockey arena.

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11-06-2008, 07:47 AM
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The last three years, Houston has been in the Top 10 in AHL attendance. Milwaukee has been above the AHL average 2 out of the last three years.
I'm not saying those cities are having poor attendance. However, when you look at the population of Houston or Milwaukee then compare it to Wilkes-Barre/Scranton or Hershey, there is no comparison. The per-capita AHL support in WBS blows Houston right out of the water.

For being large metropolitan areas having what should be a significant fan base, The Aeros and the Ads are under-performing in their respective markets. My guess is that Kansas City would experience a similar phenomena.

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I'm not saying those cities are having poor attendance. However, when you look at the population of Houston or Milwaukee then compare it to Wilkes-Barre/Scranton or Hershey, there is no comparison. The per-capita AHL support in WBS blows Houston right out of the water.

For being large metropolitan areas having what should be a significant fan base, The Aeros and the Ads are under-performing in their respective markets. My guess is that Kansas City would experience a similar phenomena.
I think that depends on how "hungry" the hockey fans in KC are. If they really want a professional hockey team, then an AHL team will draw. If they only want a major league team, then they won't.

Either way, I don't see the AHL going to KC.

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I'm not saying those cities are having poor attendance. However, when you look at the population of Houston or Milwaukee then compare it to Wilkes-Barre/Scranton or Hershey, there is no comparison. The per-capita AHL support in WBS blows Houston right out of the water.

For being large metropolitan areas having what should be a significant fan base, The Aeros and the Ads are under-performing in their respective markets. My guess is that Kansas City would experience a similar phenomena.
I guess that is one way to look at it. I look at it differently. There are far more entertainment options in a major city than there are in smaller cities. One of those you mentioned was the NBA. Other you can consider are the theater, musemums, restaurants, etc. of which there are more options in major cities than there are in smaller cities. The entertainment dollars in larger cities are more spread out than in smaller cities.

Are there more people in Houston and Milwaukee than say WBS? Sure. But there are also more entertainment options in Houston and Milwaukee than WBS. I don't think you can simply say that per capita, Houston and Milwaukee are struggling. If you really want to analyze it fairly, you have to consider ALL the entertainment options and see what percentage they are drawing.

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To add my 2 cents.....Kansas City has already lost 3 pro hockey teams. The Scouts in the NHL and the Blades in the IHL and Mechanics in the UHL. I would doubt anyone is lining up to put a team there. But I did hear last year from a scout w/ Columbus that the NHL was investigating putting an expansion team in KC along with LV,if they decided to expand the league. Take it for what it's worth.

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How?

the bylaws state that to even be considered, even when we acquired the Rosemont Wolves(refuse to acknowledge the Wolves as Chicago; considering the Hawks existence), the Aeros, the Admirals, the Moose, the Griffins, and we already knew that Utah (LE) was the 6th franchise acquired back 7 years ago now, there is a requirement for an NHL partner and then if Texas is on target for 09, KC needs a relocation byan NHL partner (most are private owners or partnerships and existing leases, if the group trying to interest a franchise to locate in the Sprint Center, if no one buys into that, why would it make sense to place a minor league team, if other leagues have failed abysmally. Remember Cincinnati at the end of their existence before the Robinsons sold to Centre Events to become Rockford.

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How?

the bylaws state that to even be considered, even when we acquired the Rosemont Wolves(refuse to acknowledge the Wolves as Chicago; considering the Hawks existence), the Aeros, the Admirals, the Moose, the Griffins, and we already knew that Utah (LE) was the 6th franchise acquired back 7 years ago now, there is a requirement for an NHL partner and then if Texas is on target for 09, KC needs a relocation byan NHL partner (most are private owners or partnerships and existing leases, if the group trying to interest a franchise to locate in the Sprint Center, if no one buys into that, why would it make sense to place a minor league team, if other leagues have failed abysmally. Remember Cincinnati at the end of their existence before the Robinsons sold to Centre Events to become Rockford.
Would you at least have the common sense( I know foreign term for you) to tell us who you are responding to?

BTW....anyone know who the Hackensack Giants or the Hoboken Jets play this weekend?
I also heard a rumor that the Orange County Angels were interested in Manny.....made my point hutch???

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the bylaws state that to even be considered, even when we acquired the Rosemont Wolves(refuse to acknowledge the Wolves as Chicago; considering the Hawks existence), the Aeros, the Admirals, the Moose, the Griffins, and we already knew that Utah (LE) was the 6th franchise acquired back 7 years ago now, there is a requirement for an NHL partner and then if Texas is on target for 09, KC needs a relocation by an NHL partner (most are private owners or partnerships and existing leases, if the group trying to interest a franchise to locate in the Sprint Center, if no one buys into that, why would it make sense to place a minor league team, if other leagues have failed abysmally. Remember Cincinnati at the end of their existence before the Robinsons sold to Centre Events to become Rockford.
First off, the the AHL team does not need an NHL partner to enter the AHL, they need and NHL affiliation. As HISTORY has shown us, pretty much any team can sell their AHL license at any time to anyone and that any team can be moved. The question is always the same - how much is it going to cost me to do that.

KC is working on getting an NHL team, plain and simple as I know from someone who is working on getting the team. Time will tell.

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I think the cost of using the new building would far outweigh the realistic gate that they could take in.

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I think the cost of using the new building would far outweigh the realistic gate that they could take in.
The building is not solely for hockey. They have concerts, conventions, etc. in it as well and those bring in much more than one hockey game ever will in ANY stadium. One concert in a 21,000 seat hockey arena will bring in 22,000+ people paying typical ticket prices 3 times that of hockey. Since they own the building, the cost of running it for hockey would be minimal, just like the blackhawks. They make all their money on things like parking and concessions. Think of this, a ticket to a blackhawks games costs about $75. Parking is $30. 3 beers is about $30. Program $10. Something to eat $10-15. So they make just as much off concessions as they do from the tickets sales.


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The building is not solely for hockey. They have concerts, conventions, etc. in it as well and those bring in much more than one hockey game ever will in ANY stadium. One concert in a 21,000 seat hockey arena will bring in 22,000+ people paying typical ticket prices 3 times that of hockey. Since they own the building, the cost of running it for hockey would be minimal, just like the blackhawks. They make all their money on things like parking and concessions. Think of this, a ticket to a blackhawks games costs about $75. Parking is $30. 3 beers is about $30. Program $10. Something to eat $10-15. So they make just as much off concessions as they do from the tickets sales.
Parking is $30?????

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The building is not solely for hockey. They have concerts, conventions, etc. in it as well and those bring in much more than one hockey game ever will in ANY stadium. One concert in a 21,000 seat hockey arena will bring in 22,000+ people paying typical ticket prices 3 times that of hockey. Since they own the building, the cost of running it for hockey would be minimal, just like the blackhawks. They make all their money on things like parking and concessions. Think of this, a ticket to a blackhawks games costs about $75. Parking is $30. 3 beers is about $30. Program $10. Something to eat $10-15. So they make just as much off concessions as they do from the tickets sales.
This is where you lost me. I recognize the fact that this is a top-notch, multi-purpose arena, but who ever would end up owning the team (which I haven't heard any possible hints towards an AHL franchise) would not own the arena, which is held by the city, correct? I'm just saying that with a brand new arena, the rent isn't going to be forgiving, concerts/wrestling/circus/bull riding or not.

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Parking is $30?????
Up close to the building....yes. VIP Parking
You can park in the surrounding lots for like $20

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Up close to the building....yes. VIP Parking
You can park in the surrounding lots for like $20
This doesn't surprise me. The White Sox charge $22 for any lot, even those that are 5+ blocks from the park at IIT.

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This is where you lost me. I recognize the fact that this is a top-notch, multi-purpose arena, but who ever would end up owning the team (which I haven't heard any possible hints towards an AHL franchise) would not own the arena, which is held by the city, correct? I'm just saying that with a brand new arena, the rent isn't going to be forgiving, concerts/wrestling/circus/bull riding or not.
Well, when they were luring the Penguins, they offered no rent and a huge part of concessions.

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Well, when they were luring the Penguins, they offered no rent and a huge part of concessions.
Yes, but that was an NHL franchise. I can't imagine the same would be said for a minor league team.

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Well, when they were luring the Penguins, they offered no rent and a huge part of concessions.
Did they offer revenue from the non-hockey events?


Thats what it might ultimately take for them to actually lure a tenant, in which case it would become a financially losing proposition for the city.

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Did they offer revenue from the non-hockey events?


Thats what it might ultimately take for them to actually lure a tenant, in which case it would become a financially losing proposition for the city.
I'm not going to go back and look up the threads from the time, but I am nearly positive that they did offer a slice of the non-hockey revenue. That's made the deal so attractive.

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I also think the Ads have a deal for the bradley center so they dont pay rent on sunday thru thursday games. I went there last year and didnt like it to much. I love the city of milwaukee I have family there but that arena isnt a hockey arena.
The Bradley Center was designed as a hockey arena to lure the then shaky St. Louis Blues or an expansion team to Milwaukee. The Bucks also needed a new arena instead of the 11,000 seat MECCA to stay in Milwaukee. The Bucks fans still complain about the sightlines for basketball and they want a new arena to replace the BC, which opened October, 1988.

You are correct about the rent. Saturday night games cost $10K. I believe that Fridays are much less.

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