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11-05-2008, 03:19 PM
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New Jersey Devils / Montreal Canadiens

Well since we all know tha Martin Brodeur will be out for long I'll propose a cure to this Devils cancer !! (this my first proposal bash as wish i'm here to learn)

The urgency for Lou Lamoriello is not big and i guess he can wait and see some more but if the club don't win in the few days to come a change of scenery could be the only solution

The Habs offer

Jaroslav Halak(G) (0.775)
Ryan O'Byrne(D) (0.942)

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Johnny Oduya (D) (0.600)
the prospect : Jeff Frazee (G)

Explanation : Devils need to fill brodeur spot and Habs need a young defman to pair with Hamerlik or Bouillon.

I know that Frazee is been the young goalie that devil are looking to be there future number one but with Halak you will receive maybe the next Vokoun and he's ready to be a great number one.

This trade it's not a big splash but it can became a great opportunity for both team to upgrade their roster !On habs side Frazee will join Hamilton and Marc Denis will play with Price. For the Devil Halak is priceless (no joke) compare to the other goalie.

For the cap space I'm not totaly sure but with two guy coming from the Habs one Devils young roster guy might be sent down to clear the deal.

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11-05-2008, 03:21 PM
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How good is Oduya? Cause unless hes a legitimate top-4 defenseman I don't like this for Montreal.

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No way devils trade a dman right now, let alone arguably their best one.

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11-05-2008, 03:24 PM
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No way devils trade a dman right now, let alone arguably their best one.
i don' know i'm much but could you describe him more that way I can understand why you guys you won't let him go in a deal

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11-05-2008, 03:25 PM
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The Habs offer

Jaroslav Halak(G) (0.775)
Ryan O'Byrne(D) (0.942)

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Johnny Oduya (D) (0.600)
the prospect : Jeff Frazee (G)

Explanation : Devils need to fill brodeur spot and Habs need a young defman to pair with Hamerlik or Bouillon.
The Habs need a young defenseman to play with Hamrlik or Bouillon? Don't we already have one named...Ryan O'Byrne?

This doesn't address the Habs needs at all, and is a bit of an overpayment if you ask me. Also I'm not interested in having Halak burn us for years to come the same way Brodeur has for the past god knows how many years.

If the Habs trade for a defenseman, it's for an established, experienced top-4 guy.

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11-05-2008, 03:25 PM
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i have no confidence in Denis as Price's backup.... and well this might be fair value wise for what goalies are worth on the trade market i'd rather keep Halak. The whole thing that spurred this thread is a freak injury to Brodeur.... well what if the same thing happens to price in the playoffs. I'm not ready to throw that away for Oduya.

Also i still think patience is needed with O'Byrne.... he needs experience to see if he can improve his play. I think he'll get better with games. We can wait to address this hole. let him play 50 more games and at the trade deadline if we still need another defenceman trade for one then. Experienced UFAs to be will be available... and we have a stacked farm club that can afford to lose one or two prospects to get them.... as long as we aren't talking about McDonagh and Pacioretty I'm okay with moving a couple of them. Which one and is it one or two depends on the deal. I might even be willing to include O'Byrne at that time...

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11-05-2008, 03:26 PM
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It's not a bad proposal, but like you said the urgency on the Devils' end is low unless Weekes is ineffective. Halak would be a nice addition to the team since Weekes is UFA after this year. I liked what I saw out of O'Byrne last year.

Oduya would be a tough chip to give up though. +27 last year, already +8 this year on a team that doesn't score a bunch. He's also UFA after this year which would diminish his trade value a bit.

If I were in charge of the Devils, I'd be much more interested in adding a defenseman than a goalie at the moment.

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11-05-2008, 03:27 PM
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Well, with Paul Martin and Andy Greene also out with injuries, I don't the see Lou trading one of the few healthy decent defensemen on the team anytime soon.

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11-05-2008, 03:29 PM
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devils don't do this cause of injuries but Halak is worth Oduya plus just on his own.

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11-05-2008, 03:30 PM
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Well, with Paul Martin and Andy Greene also out with injuries, I don't the see Lou trading one of the few healthy decent defensemen on the team anytime soon.
This trade would severely help the Devils' future. I know it might hurt them short term, but is that really worth it at this point? Even if Brodeur was there, I don't think you guys were expecting anything incredible, and now with him out for so long it doesn't look too optimistic. Is the difference between a successful season and a pathetic one Johnny Oduya? I'd pull the trigger on this if I'm the Devils.

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11-05-2008, 03:37 PM
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It's not a bad proposal, but like you said the urgency on the Devils' end is low unless Weekes is ineffective. Halak would be a nice addition to the team since Weekes is UFA after this year. I liked what I saw out of O'Byrne last year.

Oduya would be a tough chip to give up though. +27 last year, already +8 this year on a team that doesn't score a bunch. He's also UFA after this year which would diminish his trade value a bit.

If I were in charge of the Devils, I'd be much more interested in adding a defenseman than a goalie at the moment.
thank for the info !! for the other opinion must been done with fact

here my «clarification» for O'byrne vs Oduya : i guess i could talk about Nhl maturity here O'byrne would become a nice futur top 4 (give himm more time and a real def team and you'll be surprise) okay but actually he is not and Oduya is the one in the entire league i see in the moment to get the stats that the habs are looking for !

Halak Vs Frazee : here again it's all about ready or not this swap help both team to keep on their way «bref» for me both of them win

I rate this trade a 6 / 10 because both of the team know more their youth skilled player but both team have to move to improve the 6 reprensent the good possibility of this trade

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11-05-2008, 03:39 PM
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Paul martin is out damn !! poor you guys !! brody rolsty and marty out damn pain !

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This trade would severely help the Devils' future. I know it might hurt them short term, but is that really worth it at this point? Even if Brodeur was there, I don't think you guys were expecting anything incredible, and now with him out for so long it doesn't look too optimistic. Is the difference between a successful season and a pathetic one Johnny Oduya? I'd pull the trigger on this if I'm the Devils.

The Devils with a heathy line-up and maybe one trade for a solid defensemen, were definitely contenders in the Eastern conference in my opinion, so I disagree. And for whatever you think about Lamoriello, he has never given up on a season. Should he start, maybe, but I don't see it happening.

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The Devils with a heathy line-up and maybe one trade for a solid defensemen, were definitely contenders in the Eastern conference in my opinion, so I disagree. And for whatever you think about Lamoriello, he has never given up on a season. Should he start, maybe, but I don't see it happening.
By an healthy line up I do suppose you include Brodeur ?!

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devils don't do this cause of injuries but Halak is worth Oduya plus just on his own.
No he isn't. Johnny is going to be their best defenseman this year, and would be Montreal's 3rd best defenseman and 2nd in scoring behind Markov on the blueline.

And I agree with Beakermania when I say that you should stop with the Halak trade proposals, period. If something was to happen to Price you need Halak for this year, and it could cost your season. Focus on moving a forward or two and a prospect for a #2 defenseman.

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By an healthy line up I do suppose you include Brodeur ?!

Sure. But with a healthy line-up the Devils still have a shot at a 7th or 8th seed, even without Marty. And if reports are true that Marty should be back healthy and well rested by the end of the season, I wouldn't want to face the Devils as the 8th seeded team.

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No he isn't. Johnny is going to be their best defenseman this year, and would be Montreal's 3rd best defenseman and 2nd in scoring behind Markov on the blueline.

And I agree with Beakermania when I say that you should stop with the Halak trade proposals, period. If something was to happen to Price you need Halak for this year, and it could cost your season. Focus on moving a forward or two and a prospect for a #2 defenseman.

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you mean a 4# ? cause we already have a top 3 !

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Halak is worth more to us than any #4 defenseman. What if Price got hurt like Brodeur did, where would we be then?

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Sure. But with a healthy line-up the Devils still have a shot at a 7th or 8th seed, even without Marty. And if reports are true that Marty should be back healthy and well rested by the end of the season, I wouldn't want to face the Devils as the 8th seeded team.
No, they do not. Kevin Weekes is not a good, or consistent goaltender. I don't care how good or deep your forward core is, with an average defence and a below average goalie you are not getting into the playoffs.

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DO WHAT NOW?!?!?! No tanks champ I'll pass.

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No he isn't. Johnny is going to be their best defenseman this year, and would be Montreal's 3rd best defenseman and 2nd in scoring behind Markov on the blueline.

And I agree with Beakermania when I say that you should stop with the Halak trade proposals, period. If something was to happen to Price you need Halak for this year, and it could cost your season. Focus on moving a forward or two and a prospect for a #2 defenseman.

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Actually, Oduya would be our 4th defenseman, behing Markov, Hamrlik and Komisarek

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Id do this deal as the Devils once Martin (and maybe Greene) comes back. Is O'Byrne NHL ready?

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we dont need a goalie, if there was a goalie i would take, it would probably be halak, but we dont need a goalie and we are not giving up oduya for a temp

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Well since we all know tha Martin Brodeur will be out for long I'll propose a cure to this Devils cancer !! (this my first proposal bash as wish i'm here to learn)

The urgency for Lou Lamoriello is not big and i guess he can wait and see some more but if the club don't win in the few days to come a change of scenery could be the only solution

The Habs offer

Jaroslav Halak(G) (0.775)
Ryan O'Byrne(D) (0.942)

Vs

Johnny Oduya (D) (0.600)
the prospect : Jeff Frazee (G)

Explanation : Devils need to fill brodeur spot and Habs need a young defman to pair with Hamerlik or Bouillon.

I know that Frazee is been the young goalie that devil are looking to be there future number one but with Halak you will receive maybe the next Vokoun and he's ready to be a great number one.

This trade it's not a big splash but it can became a great opportunity for both team to upgrade their roster !On habs side Frazee will join Hamilton and Marc Denis will play with Price. For the Devil Halak is priceless (no joke) compare to the other goalie.

For the cap space I'm not totaly sure but with two guy coming from the Habs one Devils young roster guy might be sent down to clear the deal.

I'm I right ?
I wouldn't do this from a Habs point of view !! Halak is worth way more than a Oduya . I think O'By is close enough in ability now and has far more future potential, being 3 years younger and 6'5 230 with good to great skating ability for someone his size.

So why give up Halak for Frazee who is years behind Halak's development. Just doesn't make any sense to me....

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No, they do not. Kevin Weekes is not a good, or consistent goaltender. I don't care how good or deep your forward core is, with an average defence and a below average goalie you are not getting into the playoffs.
Oh, please. Fine. Watch us.

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