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11-06-2008, 09:23 AM
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no matter what happens to the team this year, this is not the year you trade Luongo... makes no sense IMO.

If the canucks miss the playoffs are go into rebuild mode, then next season is the time you deal Luongo... when he will still be under contract, and the window to re-sign him has officially opened.

Until then, moving Luongo is just stupid IMO. Even if the canucks miss the playoffs, maybe Luongo still will re-sign? he was willing to re-sign in Florida after all their losing years, and only wanted out when the whole Keenan fiasco happened. Maybe, even if the canucks miss the playoffs this year, he's still ready to sign a longterm deal next summer?

If that's the case, you simply don't move a guy who's *years* from the end of his career, still in his prime, and among the top goalies in the league, just hoping that the prospect you have turns out to be even half as good. Canuck fans - at least those that have actually followed the team for a while - must know just how difficult it is to find a franchise level goalie, and how vital such a player is in overall success?

The only way you even consider moving him now is for a mass overpayment - with emphasis on *mass* ... none of the above trade proposals come close... you simply do not deal a player like this for "fair" value, when you've got another year under his contract, and don't even know if he'll re-sign until July 2009. After that date, depending on whether he wants to re-sign or not, and where the team is at, at that point, do you entertain thoughts of moving him... until then, goaltending is the one position on the team you don't touch.

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The Flames would offer Todd Bertuzzi.

But seriously, if Luongo were made available, he would earn a high return. If he was traded, the Canucks would also be essentially be a rebuilding team and a lottery draft pick. So, in the event he were traded, I would expect a future star player, a potential star player and a 1st rounder. A team like LA could essentially become a contender with a player like Luongo, I think they would help drive his price up on the trade market.
I think the Kings would be a little hesitant to sign another goalie from Vancouver after their last experience.

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You get an all-star goalie and a top d man and we get a top d man and some second liners?

Oooook?

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Terrible. All three of them. For a player ranked number three by NHL GMs on who they wanted to build their teams around, he would have much higher trade value than in the proposals you made.
Terrible? Probably.

Realistic? Likely.

Although we Canucks fans value Luongo, I think we'd be disappointed with his return on the trade market, just as fans of every other team who has traded a franchise player has been.

Patrick Roy and Luongo are the only franchise goaltenders in recent memory who were dealt at or close to their prime. In both cases, the fans of the teams who shipped them off were enraged with the return.

I'm a big believer that GM's need to consider any trade that makes their team better, but it's impossible to make your team better by shipping your franchise goalie out. Unless he requests a trade next season and/or shows no intention of re-signing, he's not going anywhere and his value to the Canucks exceeds his value on the trade market.

With all that said, Luongo re-signs a long term extension with the Canucks this summer.

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Anything from Ottawa not named Spezza/Heater/Alfie

Volchenkov ($2.5mil)
Gerber ($3.7mil)
Vermette ($2.7mil)
Lee/ Karlsson/ Smith
Ott or SJ 1st 09

total $8.9mil

for

Luongo ($6.75mil)
Ohlund (($3.5mil)

total $10.25mil
embarrassing

if u want Luongo AND Ohlund...then one of Heatley/Spezza back. plus vermette, lee + Ott's 1st rounder.
And ya, we don't want your garbage (aka Gerber)

We want quality....not quantity...

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No from a vancouver stand point. No use throwing in Gerber if Vancouver already has Schneider.
Well you obviously wouldn't play the bum. He's a UFA, pay his salary for a month and a half and then let him go. Meanwhile Schneider takes over for Luongo.

Luongo isn't locked up long enough to warrant Heatley or Spezza.

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You guys are all insane.

Please look at the player return garnered by franchise players such as Joe Thornton, Pavel Bure and Patrick Roy. Fans always fantasize about the robust packages they could receive for the resident star, and then the resident star gets traded for a lunchbox full of raw kids and spare parts and the fans scream so loud they brick their pants. Luongo would net the Canucks a quality return were they to move him, but it wouldn't be close to some of these pie-in-the-sky proposals. Use your heads.

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You guys are all insane.

Please look at the player return garnered by franchise players such as Joe Thornton, Pavel Bure and Patrick Roy. Fans always fantasize about the robust packages they could receive for the resident star, and then the resident star gets traded for a lunchbox full of raw kids and spare parts and the fans scream so loud they brick their pants. Luongo would net the Canucks a quality return were they to move him, but it wouldn't be close to some of these pie-in-the-sky proposals. Use your heads.
the Thornton trade was bad to begin with...

but I'd have no problem with a return like Bure or Roy for Luongo - once it gets to the point he needs to be traded, just like those two were.

Remember both players demanded a trade before they were moved, and that no doubt affects any players' value in that situation... Luongo is not demanding a trade.

The Bure return was:

Jovo as the main piece - a recent 1st overall pick, that jumped into the NHL and had an impact right away (was the key dman in their Cup run as well).

They also got a young goalie in Weekes (who's since not come close to expectation), but was regarded as a future #1 at the time.

the player taken in the 1st round in the most recent draft (Brown)

another 1st round pick

and a veteran player (comparable to a salary dump now I guess) in Gagner.

A similar return for Luongo would be a top young dman, who's already a top 2 guy, with potential for more (Jovo), a young goalie who's got starting potential (Weekes), and 2 1st round picks, along with a veteran on a 1yr deal.... that's a total of 3 1st rounders (one of which was already established) and a 2nd rounder in Weekes that was showing solid development at the time.

Roy was dealt for a current starter (Thibault), a top 6 forward (Rucinsky) and a young up and comer (Kovalenko) who actually had a 30 goal season a year after he was dealt.

again both those players demanded a trade at the time and considering the situation - and the values of the respective assets at the time - it was a decent deal.

If the canucks get a return like they got for Pavel, a year from now, if Luongo is not willing to sign an extension, I'd have no problem with a return like that... I can just hope the canucks scouting staff is a little better with their evaluation of the assets (Brown was after all a 1st rounder, just ended up being a bust).

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If it's not one of Spezza/Heatley/Alfredsson then we aren't talking a trade.
That doesn't make much sense considering the premise is that Vancouver wants to deal him at the deadline before he hits UFA.

In that scenario you're not going to get an equivalent star, you're going to get a package.


So yeah, anything other than Spezza, Heatley or Alfredsson from Ottawa. Adding that Fisher and Phillips have NTCs so we might as well leave them out too, though I wouldn't mind moving them for Luongo.

- 2 1st round picks
- any 2 prospects including one of Foligno or Lee
- Vermette

That's a better package than what Pronger returned and he was signed long-term.

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This thread is hilarious. Thanks to all for the morning humour.

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Ignoring NTC's and any other reasons why either team wouldn't do the trade.

To Vancouver:
Jiri Hudler
Johan Franzen
Niklas Kronwall

To Detroit:
Luongo
Edler

Probably a big overpayment by Detroit and it's not something I'd want to see done or would ever happen but Vancouver has no reason to trade him and in reality Detroit doesn't really need him.

It's fun anyway.

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11-06-2008, 12:16 PM
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the Thornton trade was bad to begin with...

but I'd have no problem with a return like Bure or Roy for Luongo - once it gets to the point he needs to be traded, just like those two were.

Remember both players demanded a trade before they were moved, and that no doubt affects any players' value in that situation... Luongo is not demanding a trade.

The Bure return was:

Jovo as the main piece - a recent 1st overall pick, that jumped into the NHL and had an impact right away (was the key dman in their Cup run as well).

They also got a young goalie in Weekes (who's since not come close to expectation), but was regarded as a future #1 at the time.

the player taken in the 1st round in the most recent draft (Brown)

another 1st round pick

and a veteran player (comparable to a salary dump now I guess) in Gagner.

A similar return for Luongo would be a top young dman, who's already a top 2 guy, with potential for more (Jovo), a young goalie who's got starting potential (Weekes), and 2 1st round picks, along with a veteran on a 1yr deal.... that's a total of 3 1st rounders (one of which was already established) and a 2nd rounder in Weekes that was showing solid development at the time.

Roy was dealt for a current starter (Thibault), a top 6 forward (Rucinsky) and a young up and comer (Kovalenko) who actually had a 30 goal season a year after he was dealt.

again both those players demanded a trade at the time and considering the situation - and the values of the respective assets at the time - it was a decent deal.

If the canucks get a return like they got for Pavel, a year from now, if Luongo is not willing to sign an extension, I'd have no problem with a return like that... I can just hope the canucks scouting staff is a little better with their evaluation of the assets (Brown was after all a 1st rounder, just ended up being a bust).
Actually alot more went to Florida in the Bure trade. It went like this:

To Florida:
Pavel Bure
Bret Hedican
Brad Ference
Conditional 3rd round pick

To Vancouver:
Ed Jovanovski
Dave Gagner
Kevin Weekes
Mike Brown
Conditional 1st round pick

The return for Bure was decent (too bad Burke squandered Weekes as an asset), but we gave up a quality NHL defenceman and a former 1st round pick as well. Honestly, Hedican and Gagner were probably a wash, as was Brown and Ference.

Then you're left with Bure and a 3rd for Jovanovski, Weekes and a conditional 1st. Not a whole lot different than my earlier proposals.

As for Roy, Mike Keane also went to Colorado in that trade. Montreal got absolutely fleeced in that trade when you consider that Roy made Colorado a regular contender and 2 time champion for the remainder of his career, where Montreal has only now started to return close to that level.

They didn't have much choice though, as I recall the trade was made only a few days after the Roy - Tremblay situation.

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Ignoring NTC's and any other reasons why either team wouldn't do the trade.

To Vancouver:
Jiri Hudler
Johan Franzen
Niklas Kronwall

To Detroit:
Luongo
Edler

Probably a big overpayment by Detroit and it's not something I'd want to see done or would ever happen but Vancouver has no reason to trade him and in reality Detroit doesn't really need him.

It's fun anyway.
yes, thats a big overpayment for a superstar goaltender and a 23 year old dman with top pairing potential.

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embarrassing

if u want Luongo AND Ohlund...then one of Heatley/Spezza back. plus vermette, lee + Ott's 1st rounder.
And ya, we don't want your garbage (aka Gerber)

We want quality....not quantity...
Yah Luongo's contract really is really worth one of Heatley/Spezza, Vermette, lee and Ott's 1st rounder. Remember Spezza and Heatley are both locked to long term contracts where as Luongo isnt.

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Other recent examples of superstar players being dealt:

To Pittsburgh:
Marian Hossa
Pascal Dupuis
2nd or 3rd round pick?

To Atlanta:
Colby Armstrong
Erik Christiansen
Angelo Esposito
1st round pick


To Anaheim:
Chris Pronger

To Edmonton:
Joffrey Lupul
Ladislav Smid
2 1st round picks


To San Jose:
Joe Thornton

To Boston:
Marco Sturm
Brad Stuart
Wayne Primeau

This one is just horrible

To Vancouver:
Roberto Luongo
Lukas Krajicek
6th round pick

To Florida:
Todd Bertuzzi
Alex Auld
Bryan Allen

In most cases, the going rate for a superstar is a quality young roster player, the teams top prospect and at least one 1st round pick. Possibly an additional conditional one more depending on the player's contract status and contribution to his new team. Sometimes other players are thrown in one either side to balance out team needs as was the case with both previous Vancouver - Florida deals.

So why should Luongo fetch anymore than these packages?

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Other recent examples of superstar players being dealt:

To Pittsburgh:
Marian Hossa
Pascal Dupuis
2nd or 3rd round pick?

To Atlanta:
Colby Armstrong
Erik Christiansen
Angelo Esposito
1st round pick


To Anaheim:
Chris Pronger

To Edmonton:
Joffrey Lupul
Ladislav Smid
2 1st round picks


To San Jose:
Joe Thornton

To Boston:
Marco Sturm
Brad Stuart
Wayne Primeau

This one is just horrible

To Vancouver:
Roberto Luongo
Lukas Krajicek
6th round pick

To Florida:
Todd Bertuzzi
Alex Auld
Bryan Allen

In most cases, the going rate for a superstar is a quality young roster player, the teams top prospect and at least one 1st round pick. Possibly an additional conditional one more depending on the player's contract status and contribution to his new team. Sometimes other players are thrown in one either side to balance out team needs as was the case with both previous Vancouver - Florida deals.

So why should Luongo fetch anymore than these packages?
Let's see here...

example one... a soon to be UFA that wasn't going to re-sign with his current team, was dealt at the deadline.

example two... a player that demanded a trade.

example three... that was just a bad trade from the start and everyone knew it.

example four... Luongo had demanded a trade at that point as well.

So you're comparing the value of a player *now* - who's a year from even being able to negotiate an extension, is 2 yrs from UFA status, and the current franchise player on the team (and team captain), to a bunch of trades for players that either wanted out, or were soon to be UFAs?

if a team really *wants* Luongo, the price will be high, and even then the canucks have no reason to pull the trigger right now... looking at past trades for players that wanted out, or were UFAs moved at the deadline, and using that as an example for what it'd take the canucks to move their franchise player just does not add up. All these proposals here, you fail to acknowledge the fact that Luongo does not need to be moved.

Franchise players, that teams have no intention of moving, aren't close to UFA status and have made no indication that they want out - simply do not get traded for what others believe will be "fair" value based on deals that those clubs were *forced* to make.

Now, a year from now, if Luongo refuses to sign an extension and if he makes it clear that he won't be returning to Vancouver, then his value will be a lot closer to that, and the canucks will have to make a decision then. Right now he simply won't be traded... and no number of posts trying to justify why his value will be low comparing him to players that wanted out, isn't going to convince the canucks to even think about moving him now for anything less than a massive overpayment.

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Ignoring NTC's and any other reasons why either team wouldn't do the trade.

To Vancouver:
Jiri Hudler
Johan Franzen
Niklas Kronwall

To Detroit:
Luongo
Edler

Probably a big overpayment by Detroit and it's not something I'd want to see done or would ever happen but Vancouver has no reason to trade him and in reality Detroit doesn't really need him.

It's fun anyway.
Does anyone really think Edler won't match Kronwall's value? Edler is called by scouts a young Lidstrom. Along with Kesler, they're the two skaters that will be LAST to be traded.

That leaves Hudler and Franzen? No thanks.

The difference with Bure, etc - those players WANTED to be traded. Luongo likes it here, he JUST moved his family here, he likes the direction of the team, he likes the defense in front of him.

If he were to be traded, it would be for TWO things: 1) a package equivalent in value (and remember, GMs voted him the #3 player to build a team around, and he got more 1st place votes than Ovechkin), AND incentive to make a deal in the first place. That means the value has to be equal AND there needs to be a reason to do it in the first place - so unless the Canucks get younger AND better and exceed Luongo's value (of which, again according to GMs, only 2 players have more).

Here's the minimum package I would demand in return for Luongo *at this point in time*, simply because he doesn't have to be traded and likes it here.

Anaheim: Getzlaf + 1st
Atlanta: Kovalchuk + 2nd + 3rd
Boston: Chara + 1st
Buffalo: Pominville + 1st + 2nd
Calgary: Phaneuf + Boyd + 2nd + 4th (div rival)
Carolina: Staal + Williams, VAN includes 2nd going back
Chicago: Kane + Barker + 2nd
Colorado: Stastny + 1st
Columbus: Nash + 1st + 3rd
Dallas: Morrow + Niskanen + 1st
Detroit: Datsyuk + Helm
Edmonton: Hemsky + Cogliano + 2nd
Florida: Bouwmeester + Horton, VAN includes 2nd going back
LA: Kopitar + ...

**** it, you get the point. Match his value and THEN give the Canucks incentive.

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11-06-2008, 12:49 PM
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Sorry but matching value only happens in a fantasy world. There's a reason why Heatley for Hossa deals only happen once every 20 years.

I made it clear that neither team would actually do the trade but posted it as it's as close to value as you could get IMO.

The whole idea is if either Luongo or Vancouver can't get a deal done. Not trading him just to trade him. None of those deals up there would ever happen mainly because people would take their chances on getting him on July 1st instead of trading elite proven talent.

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Luongo is worth: Todd Bertuzzi, Alex Auld and Bryan Allen.
Oh and you get Lukas Krajicek and a sixth round draft pick on the house.

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Let's see here...

example one... a soon to be UFA that wasn't going to re-sign with his current team, was dealt at the deadline.

example two... a player that demanded a trade.

example three... that was just a bad trade from the start and everyone knew it.

example four... Luongo had demanded a trade at that point as well.

So you're comparing the value of a player *now* - who's a year from even being able to negotiate an extension, is 2 yrs from UFA status, and the current franchise player on the team (and team captain), to a bunch of trades for players that either wanted out, or were soon to be UFAs?

if a team really *wants* Luongo, the price will be high, and even then the canucks have no reason to pull the trigger right now... looking at past trades for players that wanted out, or were UFAs moved at the deadline, and using that as an example for what it'd take the canucks to move their franchise player just does not add up. All these proposals here, you fail to acknowledge the fact that Luongo does not need to be moved.

Franchise players, that teams have no intention of moving, aren't close to UFA status and have made no indication that they want out - simply do not get traded for what others believe will be "fair" value based on deals that those clubs were *forced* to make.

Now, a year from now, if Luongo refuses to sign an extension and if he makes it clear that he won't be returning to Vancouver, then his value will be a lot closer to that, and the canucks will have to make a decision then. Right now he simply won't be traded... and no number of posts trying to justify why his value will be low comparing him to players that wanted out, isn't going to convince the canucks to even think about moving him now for anything less than a massive overpayment.
Luongo had never demanded a trade out of Florida, and was shocked and initally disappointed when he was dealt. That puts this trade in the same league as the Thornton trade. A trade that resulted due to a GM brainfart, who was shortly thereafter out of a job.

All that said, we seem to be in agreement on most things that the only way Luongo gets dealt is:

1. he asks to be
2. he his nearing the end of his contract and has made it clear he has no intention of re-signing. Even so, with his NTC, he would need to approve any deal
3. Gillis has a terrible lapse in judgement
4. A team offers a ridiculous package (show me an example of a team offering a ridiculous package to an intelligent GM for a franchise player not on the trade market and successfully acquiring him. Yeah, it doesn't happen)

None of which are going to happen right now, so Luongo stays. The only scenario in which he gets dealt are 1 or 2, in which case his value would be comparable to the packages I proposed. Even so, I don't see any reason why he won't want to stay in Vancouver.

At the end of the day, we can sit here and debate Luongo's value until we're blue in the face. But it won't make a bit of difference, because he's not going anywhere for awhile.

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Luongo had never demanded a trade out of Florida, and was shocked and initally disappointed when he was dealt. That puts this trade in the same league as the Thornton trade. A trade that resulted due to a GM brainfart, who was shortly thereafter out of a job.
sorry, Luongo didn't demand a trade... he just made it clear he wasn't going to re-sign in Florida for more than a year, and would hit UFA status in a year... they dealt him knowing they couldn't keep him.

a comment from the SN article about the trade:

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Rather than risk losing Roberto Luongo for peanuts or worse, the Panthers peddled their franchise goaltender Friday.
http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/13513958/

he did make ridiculous demands from Florida at the time as well, making it pretty obvious he wasn't interested in signing there past UFA... initially he demanded a 1yr deal... later said he'd take a multiyear deal only if 3 of his demands were met, which included having McLennan as his backup and hiring Allaire as his goalie coach - demands he didn't have for Vancouver, who he signed longterm with soon after getting traded.

when Luongo was dealt in Florida, it was when the club realized that he didn't want to be there, and they wouldn't be able to sign him longterm, past his UFA age (which was a season away)... if that happens in Vancouver, it'll be at least after this season... until then his trade value will remain higher than any team will realistically give up for him - as is the case with any franchise player in the game who has no reason to be dealt.

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Ignoring NTC's and any other reasons why either team wouldn't do the trade.

To Vancouver:
Jiri Hudler
Johan Franzen
Niklas Kronwall

To Detroit:
Luongo
Edler

Probably a big overpayment by Detroit and it's not something I'd want to see done or would ever happen but Vancouver has no reason to trade him and in reality Detroit doesn't really need him.

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A big overpayment from Detroit? LOL Detroit takes this and runs away laughing. I wouldn't do that package for just Luongo alone, and would not be throwing in a future top 20 defenceman in this league.

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A big overpayment from Detroit? LOL Detroit takes this and runs away laughing. I wouldn't do that package for just Luongo alone, and would not be throwing in a future top 20 defenceman in this league.
you mean a past top 20 ahl dman?

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If the Canucks were moving him I'd assume they are going into either a full or partial rebuild. With the Sedins off the books after the season they'll have the money to make a big free agent splash if they wanted to start over. They don't really have anyone on the team right now (aside from Luongo) that can be a centerpiece to build a squad around. I love Ryan Kesler, but he's not a guy you build a team around as your star player. That said, I'd assume a trade from Luongo would need to net a return of either an under 30 established star player to anchor a rebuild around or young, cheap players proven in the NHL who can act as strong complimentary pieces to whomever the Canucks brought in during the offseason to act as the centerpiece of the rebuild. If Detroit were to make a serious proposal for Luongo, it'd be very difficult in the cap world. Vancouver has plenty of cap space this season so the only issue is fitting it all in under Detroit's cap. I'm also assuming that Vancouver would have little to no interest in upcoming free agents but rather players under contract, the exception being if the upcoming free agent player coming back was targeted as a key part of the rebuild (a Zetterberg for instance).

Two proposals I'd see based on the assumptions above are listed below. One is build around the Canucks acquiring an established star as the centerpiece of a rebuild. The other is centered around acquiring lots of relatively cheap and productive depth that would leave them with plenty of cap flexibility for the offseason free agent class to acquire a new centerpiece while giving them a deeper and stronger supporting cast around him.

NOTE: All players are listed with cap number and years remaining on current contract not counting the current season.
Proposal A (Established Star)
To DET: G Roberto Luongo (6.75M/1yr)
To VAN: C/LW Henrik Zetterberg (2.65M/UFA) + C/W Valtteri Filppula (3M/4yr) + G Chris Osgood (1.416667M/2yr)

Why VAN does this: This proposal is contingent on Zetterberg agreeing to sign an extension with Vancouver, which likely wouldn't be a big problem as that franchise is every bit as friendly to Swedish players as Detroit is. Zetterberg would provide a established star player who even before last years Conn Smythe had a very strong playoff resume. He is only 28 (won't turn 29 until next season) so he is just entering his prime and should be a very productive player in Vancouver for awhile. Filppula would provide a young player (25 in March) capable of playing on the 2nd or 3rd lines already as well as providing strong two-way play and PK minutes. Chris Osgood is thrown in simply to even out the cap numbers and hold the fort as a starter/backup in Vancouver until a better option is found.
Why DET does this: If the Wings feel that they will be unable to resign Zetterberg then it's very possible he'd be shopped to get another established player in return. Luongo is a player Holland tried to acquire when he was moved out of Florida and it's likely he'd still be interested in his services were he to become available again. He'll be 30 at the end of the season so he's still got plenty of strong years ahead of him. Moving Zetterberg would also free up money to keep Franzen and Hossa in Detroit.

Proposal B (Depth and Cap Flexibility)
To DET: Roberto Luongo (6.75M/1yr)
To VAN: D Nicklas Kronwall (3M/3yr) + C/W Valtteri Filppula (3M/4yr) + LW/RW Jiri Hudler (1.015M/RFA) + prospect/pick

Why VAN does this: This time Vancouver gets plenty of low-priced talent which is still young but proven at the NHL level without sacrificing any significant cap room to target the 2009 free agent class. I won't reiterate the Kronwall reasons. Kronwall gives Vancouver an all-around defenseman who plays around 23 minutes per game in all situations. Like Zetterberg, he's also just entering his prime (turns 28 in January) and has several more years at a very friend cap number. He would replace Mattias Ohlund, who could be traded off for players/picks/prospects by the deadline to further help the Canucks rebuild/retool effort. Filppula's reasons were listed above. Hudler is also younger (25 in January) with tremendous skill also buried on a deep Detroit roster. He is capable of being a 2nd unit PP QB and can play on the 2nd line. He's also played with Filppula since their AHL days and they have a good chemistry together. The prospect or pick would be up to Vancouver as they'd have their choice of anyone. Again, the key to this deal is Vancouver maintaining a large amount of cap space to use to draw in one or two top shelf UFAs in the offseason.
Why DET does this: Most of this was stated previously. Detroit sacrifices depth and future to keep it's core intact and win now. The downside to this move is that it's basically impossible that Hossa or Franzen would be retained in the offseason as Luongo would have the cap dollars they would have gotten. This deal is only made if Detroit already knows that Zetterberg will resign.

Personally, I doubt Vancouver would spring for Proposal B. If they did anything it would be the top proposal most likely, and that's a deal that really isn't highly palatable from the Detroit perspective but it's one of the few things which could work under the cap system. I hope I got the values on both sides close in the proposals.

All that said, Detroit and Vancouver are really bad trade partners here because of the cap.


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