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11-06-2008, 05:18 PM
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Philly - Chicago

To Philadelphia

Cameron Barker

To Chicago

Claude Giroux

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11-06-2008, 05:19 PM
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OK. I'll do that.

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11-06-2008, 05:21 PM
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It's close, but I think I'd do it. Both have very high potential, but they Flyers are stacked on the wing and could use some defense.

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11-06-2008, 05:46 PM
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I don't think that's really close at all. Philly needs help with their defense defensively not in their production or puck movement, and Barker doesn't do that to this point.

He also hasn't been able to successfully remain in the league for a full season to this point. And you can say "cap reasons" or whatever but I don't buy that as a legitimate reason if the kid is really ready to go and is going to be better than whoever they're bringing in.

Not a chance I move Giroux for Barker. I probably wouldn't move Nodl for Barker either so this doesn't help that any.

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11-06-2008, 05:58 PM
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No way. We need a guy who's going to perform right now. And whether he was in the AHL for cap reasons or not, there's still the fact that he was in the AHL. If he was a legitimate, quality defenseman worthy of giving up Giroux for, he never would have been in the minors this year.


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11-06-2008, 06:01 PM
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No way. We need a guy who's going to perform right now. And whether he was in the AHL for cap reasons or not, there's still the fact that he was in the NHL. If he was a legitimate, quality defenseman worthy of giving up Giroux for, he never would have been in the minors this year.
He would preform now.

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11-06-2008, 06:02 PM
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He would preform now.
he's another question mark. if they're going to make a move to actually help this defense play defense they need to go with a sure thing.

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11-06-2008, 06:51 PM
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I don't think that's really close at all. Philly needs help with their defense defensively not in their production or puck movement, and Barker doesn't do that to this point.

He also hasn't been able to successfully remain in the league for a full season to this point. And you can say "cap reasons" or whatever but I don't buy that as a legitimate reason if the kid is really ready to go and is going to be better than whoever they're bringing in.

Not a chance I move Giroux for Barker. I probably wouldn't move Nodl for Barker either so this doesn't help that any.
Uhh, Chicago doesn't want to do this trade either, so you guys can enjoy your wings there. Barker is on track to be a top pairing defenseman within 2-3 years as far as I can tell. He's already awesome on the PP.

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11-06-2008, 07:17 PM
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Barker has looked fantastic. He had to sit in the minors for half a dozen games in order to squeeze him in under the cap, so what?

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11-06-2008, 07:18 PM
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Barker has looked fantastic. He had to sit in the minors for half a dozen games in order to squeeze him in under the cap, so what?
that doesn't make sense. what has changed his now and the beginning of the season for them to be able to fit him under the cap?

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11-06-2008, 07:26 PM
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The fact that the cap number changes every day he spends in the minors.

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11-06-2008, 07:29 PM
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The fact that the cap number changes every day he spends in the minors.
I don't believe that's how it works. If you have 500k in cap space and a player is set to make 600k you can't suddenly add him to your roster when his prorated hit is down to 500k.

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fair value, no need for either team

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11-06-2008, 07:33 PM
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I don't believe that's how it works. If you have 500k in cap space and a player is set to make 600k you can't suddenly add him to your roster when his prorated hit is down to 500k.
Yes you can.

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11-06-2008, 07:43 PM
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I don't know their respective cap numbers off hand, but I thought Brouwer replacing Skille on the roster saved some cap space. It coincided with Barker coming up I think.

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11-06-2008, 07:49 PM
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I don't know their respective cap numbers off hand, but I thought Brouwer replacing Skille on the roster saved some cap space. It coincided with Barker coming up I think.
It did but they still couldn't have carried the current roster from day 1.

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11-06-2008, 08:04 PM
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I don't believe that's how it works. If you have 500k in cap space and a player is set to make 600k you can't suddenly add him to your roster when his prorated hit is down to 500k.
Any cap wizards can verify?

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11-06-2008, 08:17 PM
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When Barker started in the AHL it appeared that he was never going to get a shot in Chicago but he has looked very good playing with Campbell. They started off well together in the preseason and have clicked again since Cam was called up. It's obvious that the only reason he started the season on The Rock was the Cap.

At this point I would be opposed to trading him.

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Any cap wizards can verify?
http://www.nhlscap.com/cap_faq.htm

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CALCULATING THE TEAM CAP COUNT

To understand how each team's cap count is calculated, think of a bank account. For the 2007-08 season, teams got a "deposit" of about $268,984 each day which they can spend on player salaries. (This is $50.3 million divided by 187 days, the length of the 07-08 season; the season is deemed to have started on October 3, 2007 even though there were two regular-season games played in London.) The difference left over is the "payroll room", the amount that can be used in the future - so each team's cap count can go up or down on a daily basis. The amount of "payroll room" can never fall below zero - so teams can't borrow from the future to pay for today.

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11-06-2008, 08:21 PM
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Hawks pass!

We want to win now!!!!!! We are done rebuilding!

Hawks are already deep at RW/C prospects. We dont need another RW!

Also Giroux is also struggling in AHL and is an unproven talent. Barker has already proven to be an NHL dman.

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11-06-2008, 09:46 PM
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Yeah they get the same amount to spend every single day, and every player is owed one day less every single day, but you have that much less to spend everyday.

If you spend 5 dollars a day and your allowed to spend 6 on day 7 you can't spend 12 because you saved a dollar a day for 6 days.

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The Hawks were under the cap. After a month - roughly - they had been under enough to afford Barker for the year. If you have 200k a day to spend and you only spend 180k a day after three weeks you'll have 420k to spend.

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11-06-2008, 10:45 PM
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Yeah they get the same amount to spend every single day, and every player is owed one day less every single day, but you have that much less to spend everyday.

If you spend 5 dollars a day and your allowed to spend 6 on day 7 you can't spend 12 because you saved a dollar a day for 6 days.
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The Hawks were under the cap. After a month - roughly - they had been under enough to afford Barker for the year. If you have 200k a day to spend and you only spend 180k a day after three weeks you'll have 420k to spend.
Okay, one thing to keep in mind is this: you need to have enough cap room to keep a player on the roster for the entire season. Let's set the example up like this:

The season has a total of one hundred days and the salary cap is $50 million ($500,000 x 100). The team you start the season with has a combined cap hit of $49m ($490k x 100). You have a player in the minors with a cap hit of $2m ($20k x 100). If he played the whole season, you would exceed the cap by $1m.

Each day, you get $500k and spend $490k, so there is $10k / day accumulating in your "account". After day 2 there is $20k in your account. You still can't call the player up because you only have enough in your "account" to last one day without exceeding the cap.

After salaries are paid on day 50, your "account" has 50 x $10k = $500k remaining. You can now call up the $2m player. Before day 51 when the day's salary allotment is deposited, you have $1 million. After that day's salary is paid, you have $490k ($1m minus the original team's 490k minus the callup's $20k). After the next day you will have $480k, the next $470k and so forth. At the end of the season the account will be exactly zero.

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Okay, one thing to keep in mind is this: you need to have enough cap room to keep a player on the roster for the entire season. Let's set the example up like this:

The season has a total of one hundred days and the salary cap is $50 million ($500,000 x 100). The team you start the season with has a combined cap hit of $49m ($490k x 100). You have a player in the minors with a cap hit of $2m ($20k x 100). If he played the whole season, you would exceed the cap by $1m.

Each day, you get $500k and spend $490k, so there is $10k / day accumulating in your "account". After day 2 there is $20k in your account. You still can't call the player up because you only have enough in your "account" to last one day without exceeding the cap.

After salaries are paid on day 50, your "account" has 50 x $10k = $500k remaining. You can now call up the $2m player. Before day 51 when the day's salary allotment is deposited, you have $1 million. After that day's salary is paid, you have $490k ($1m minus the original team's 490k minus the callup's $20k). After the next day you will have $480k, the next $470k and so forth. At the end of the season the account will be exactly zero.
And you are 100% positive that's how it works?

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