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11-11-2008, 03:50 PM
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is ultimate hockey a book by : Brian McFarlane.

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11-11-2008, 03:53 PM
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Is there a website for the all time best defenceman

11 Ray Bourque (1979-2001) 1579
12 Paul Coffey (1980-2001) 1531
33 Al MacInnis (1981-2004) 1274
36 Phil Housley (1982-2003) 1232
39 Larry Murphy (1980-2001) 1216
60 Denis Potvin (1973-1988) 1052
64 Brian Leetch (1987-2006) 1028
79 Larry Robinson (1972-1992) 958
81 Chris Chelios (1983-2008) 948
82 Nicklas Lidstrom (1991-2009) 947 (9)
86 Bobby Orr (1966-1979) 915
87 Scott Stevens (1982-2004) 908
91 Brad Park (1968-1985) 896
95 Borje Salming (1973-1989) 787
146 Sergei Zubov (1992-2009) 767
Rob Blake (1989-2008) 710
Mathieu Schneider (1987-2008) 706
Kevin Hatcher (1984-2008) 677
Scott Niedermayer (1991-2008) 643
Sergei Gonchar (1994-2008) 615

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11-11-2008, 03:54 PM
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is ultimate hockey a book by : Brian McFarlane.
No, that would be the Ultimate Hockey Quiz Book.

Ultimate Hockey is a very thick softcover book loaded mostly with bios of players right from pre-1900 to the 1990's. When looking for bios that tell a lot about how the player actually played, you can't beat it, aside from The Trail Of the Stanley Cup, of course.

http://www.abebooks.com/products/isbn/9780773760578

10 sellers have it for $5 or less.

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11-11-2008, 04:00 PM
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Is there a website for the all time best defenceman

11 Ray Bourque (1979-2001) 1579
12 Paul Coffey (1980-2001) 1531
33 Al MacInnis (1981-2004) 1274
36 Phil Housley (1982-2003) 1232
39 Larry Murphy (1980-2001) 1216
60 Denis Potvin (1973-1988) 1052
64 Brian Leetch (1987-2006) 1028
79 Larry Robinson (1972-1992) 958
81 Chris Chelios (1983-2008) 948
82 Nicklas Lidstrom (1991-2009) 947 (9)
86 Bobby Orr (1966-1979) 915
87 Scott Stevens (1982-2004) 908
91 Brad Park (1968-1985) 896
95 Borje Salming (1973-1989) 787
146 Sergei Zubov (1992-2009) 767
Rob Blake (1989-2008) 710
Mathieu Schneider (1987-2008) 706
Kevin Hatcher (1984-2008) 677
Scott Niedermayer (1991-2008) 643
Sergei Gonchar (1994-2008) 615
Are you looking for a list of best defensemen, or defensemen who played after 1970 when there were more games, more teams, more goals per game, and more of a reliance on defensemen for scoring, and therefore scored the most points?

The two lists don't perfectly coincide. Out of the top-7 on that list, only two would be in my top-7.


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11-11-2008, 04:15 PM
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Trade

Risebrough, pick 597

Damphousse, pick 645

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11-11-2008, 04:25 PM
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Interesting deal. I'd like to hear why each team pulled this trade off.

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11-11-2008, 04:31 PM
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The New Jersey Devils are pleased to select a center who was the leading scorer of the 1978 World Championships and the 1984 Olympics

Erich Kühnhackl

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Much of Germany's historic hockey success comes from one man: Erich Kühnhackl.

Kühnhackl (a West German, as he played when the country was still split between East and West) scored 724 goals in 774 games in Germany. Kühnhackl first started playing professionally in 1968 and excelled until his retirement in 1989. He led his teams to the German championship in 1970, 77, 79 and 83. He also holds the record in Germany for goals and points, and recorded 53 hat tricks, 3 more than Wayne Gretzky has. Granted, the German leagues are of little comparison to the NHL or even other European leagues at that time, Kühnhackl proved himself on the international stage as well.

Kühnhackl scored a mindboggling 723 goals and 705 assists 1428 points in only 771 games, all German records. The 7 time scoring leader had 83 goals and 155 points in 1979-80 for career and country highs.

Kühnhackl almost single-handedly kept Germany in the Olympic "A" pool. In International hockey The worst team is often dropped to the "B" pool, thus giving another country a chance. While Germany was never an international power, Kühnhackl was. In 75 World Championship games, Kühnhackl scored 40 goals and 35 assists for 75 points. He led the 1978 World Championship tournament in scoring with 16 points in 10 games. The 6'5" giant also added 126 career penalty minutes, showing his willingness to play a physical game.

As with all International stars who never had a chance to excel in the National Hockey League, the true test comes in the Olympic Games, a test in which Kühnhackl excelled. He participated in three Olympic games. The first Games was in 1976 and Kühnhackl's 5 goals and 10 points helped Germany to the Bronze Medal. It was the last Olympic medal Germany achieved in hockey. The only other medal the country received was a Bronze in 1932.

In the 1984 Olympics in Sarajevo, West Germany finished a respectable 5th place, ahead of both Finland and the USA. Kühnhackl led the entire tournament in scoring, with 8 goals and 6 assists in 6 games.
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11-11-2008, 04:34 PM
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Trade

Risebrough, pick 597

Damphousse, pick 645
Confirmed.

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Interesting deal. I'd like to hear why each team pulled this trade off.
Similar to your Dirk Graham deal, Damphousse was wasted on the Jets. He's a much better fit on Pittsburgh, where he should be the second line center, a role he is much better suited to. This allows them to move Spezza to 13th forward.

This allows us to slot Riser with Lehtinen and Provost, giving us what we feel is one of the better shutdown lines in the draft.

Keith Primeau slides down to the fourth line alongside Shayne Corson and Jim Peplinski, a line that can provide some offense, and has three gritty "two-way" guys. Wayne Merrick slots in nicely as the 13th forward.


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Confirmed.



Similar to your Dirk Graham deal, Damphousse was wasted on the Jets. He's a much better fit on Pittsburgh, where he should be the second line center, a role he is much better suited to. This allows them to move Spezza to 13th forward.

This allows us to slot Riser with Lehtinen and Provost, giving us what we feel is one of the better shutdown lines in the draft.

Keith Primeau slides down to the fourth line alongside Shayne Corson and Jim Peplinski, a line that can provide some offense, and has three gritty "two-way" guys. Wayne Merrick slots in nicely as the 13th forward.

Pulled the words out of my mouth, it makes it so Spezza's not a second line center

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11-11-2008, 04:48 PM
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Pulled the words out of my mouth, it makes it so Spezza's not a second line center
That in itself makes it a good deal.

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11-11-2008, 05:12 PM
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Very good deal by both team. I like it very much.

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11-11-2008, 05:12 PM
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The New Jersey Devils are pleased to select a center who was the leading scorer of the 1978 World Championships and the 1984 Olympics

Erich Kühnhackl

Stats at Eurohockey.net
The "Fridge-on-skates" or the "Kleiderschrank-auf-Kufen" . MXD and I gave him a serious look for our 13th forward spot.

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11-11-2008, 05:27 PM
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... This allows them to move Spezza to 13th forward.... Keith Primeau slides down to the fourth line...
Hence the best trade. Ever.

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11-11-2008, 05:31 PM
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596- chaosrevolver & Booootthh - Stockholm Subbans - ON THE CLOCK

597- vancityluongo & Evil Speaker - Winnipeg Jets -
598- nik jr - Lada Togliatti -
599- Nalyd Psycho - Houston Aeros -
600- God Bless Canada & raleh - Rocket de Montreal -
601- Sturminator & Transplanted Caper - San Francisco Spiders -
602- Spitfire11 - Detroit Red Wings -
603- Murphy - Montreal Maroons -
604- papershoes - Kenora Thistles -

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chaos, nik, Nalyd and I are here. VCL has been around. Should be able to get a run going today.

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For the spot behind Martin Brodeur...the Subbans select for the second straight draft...

G - Glenn "Chico" Resch

* Played in National Hockey League All-Star Game, 1976.
* Named to National Hockey League All-Star Second Team, 1975-76.
* Played in National Hockey League All-Star Game, 1977.
* Named to National Hockey League All-Star Second Team, 1978-79.
* Winner, Bill Masterton Trophy, 1981-82.
* Played in National Hockey League All-Star Game, 1984.
* Won Lord Stanley's Cup as a member of the New York Islanders, 1979-1980.

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11-11-2008, 06:10 PM
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Glenn Resch is the quintessential backup goalie. In terms of ability, there are better backups in this draft, but in terms of suitability as a backup, Resch will receive top marks from me.

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11-11-2008, 06:59 PM
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Chico's one of my favourites, too. One of hockey's all-time good guys. He actually probably was the best goalie available, too.

I have to bolt right away. Who can take a four-player list?

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11-11-2008, 07:01 PM
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Chico's one of my favourites, too. One of hockey's all-time good guys. He actually probably was the best goalie available, too.

I have to bolt right away. Who can take a four-player list?
I can.

Our own pick coming shortly.

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I can.

Our own pick coming shortly.
I'll send you our three-man list right after you pick, buddy.

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I'll send you our three-man list right after you pick, buddy.
All righty.

The Winnipeg Jets take a guy who'll be fine as backup for Sawchuk.

G Bill Ranford

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11-11-2008, 07:12 PM
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List sent to the co-GM of the Jets. He'll be able to announce the pick if raleh isn't around.

Happy pickings tonight, boys. Let the picks roll. Hopefully we can get to VanI's picks ASAP.

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lada selects as 13th forward

C/LW pavel datsyuk

a poor man's frank boucher

their similarities are amazing. multiple lady byngs, playmaking ability, puck stealing ability, weird shaped heads, relatively small size.


edit: i should also add that datsyuk is only the 3rd player in DRW history to lead the team in scoring for 4 straight seasons. howe and yzerman are the others.


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Houston listpicks center Tommy Smith, third in NHA career scoring.

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