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11-09-2008, 01:07 AM
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Get it done Murray. I'd love to have a goalie like Lehtonen.

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Garrioch is saying the Wings and Flyers are interested.

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Waddell is really showing why hes the worst GM in the leauge. what good is it, if hes trading his top goalie.

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11-09-2008, 01:40 AM
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...but this is a really talented goalie, potential to be top 10 in the NHL throughout most of his career...
True.

And, unless I'm mistaken, universally rated higher than Pavelec by people in the game...which is why I personally believe this rumor is BS.

Waddell can't be that stupid. Kid is signed, just 24...and you trade him?

Nope. You (re)build around him (and that Russian winger up front).

The stuff of HF rumors, but highly doubtful, IMO.

Just my opinion, and I'll happily admit otherwise if proven wrong.

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11-09-2008, 01:45 AM
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True.

And, unless I'm mistaken, universally rated higher than Pavelec by people in the game...which is why I personally believe this rumor is BS.

Waddell can't be that stupid. Kid is signed, just 24...and you trade him?

Nope. You (re)build around him (and that Russian winger up front).

The stuff of HF rumors, but highly doubtful, IMO.

Just my opinion, and I'll happily admit otherwise if proven wrong.
On HNIC they said that he was being shopped

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11-09-2008, 01:48 AM
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On HNIC they said that he was being shopped
I know.

Which may mean a lot to some people.

Not me.

I'm familiar with Al Stracha's dubious track record. And rumors are just that...rumors. Here they are treated as fact, which is fine, but I'm not buying it just yet, for the reasons I mentioned previously.

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11-09-2008, 01:51 AM
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I know.

Which may mean a lot to some people.

Not me.

I'm familiar with Al Stracha's dubious track record. And rumors are just that...rumors.
Honestly, I do not watch enough HNIC to know who these people are... so.. excuse my ignorance

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11-09-2008, 01:52 AM
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Unless they really believe pavelec is better than Lehtonen than what they would get back for him is an offensive threat to go along with the Kolvachuk and a 1st rounder plus prospects.

Tier 2 + 1st round + Prospects

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Honestly, I do not watch enough HNIC to know who these people are... so.. excuse my ignorance
No ignorance on your part.

And who knows? Anything could happen.

I'm very skeptical about it, however.

It would be more logical to see what they could get for Pavelec. Undoubtedly less than Lehtonen, but personally, if I'm Atlanta, I'd much rather retain the young high-quality goalie with NHL experience than the promising young goalie with no NHL experience, rebuild or no rebuild.

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No ignorance on your part.

And who knows? Anything could happen.

I'm very skeptical about it, however.

It would be more logical to see what they could get for Pavelec. Undoubtedly less than Lehtonen, but personally, I'd rather have the young quality goalie with NHL experience than the promising young goalie with no NHL experience, rebuild or no rebuild.
I think the best situation would be to just throw Hedberg out the window, go 50/50 with Pavelec/Lehtonen (given that this season isnt gonna go anywhere), and see which one does better

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The interest in trading him makes little sense right now.


Did the rumor come from Strachan? Something tells me it did...

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Let me remind everyone of the report that a trade of Patrick Lalime for MA Fleury was imminent, a few weeks before Lalime was outright released:

http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t...eury+St.+Louis

This rumor regarding Lehtonen IMO says more about how HF fans dream that the NHL was like their computer hockey games where they can trade a bunch of junk for quality players rather than anything close to reality.

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11-09-2008, 03:00 AM
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NJD--before devils fans get all jonzie--Marty B is showing his age and the devils need so.meone in place to takes his place. Weekes is the short term solution--but the devils are looking at a long term problem is 36 years old and at some point in time--he will need to get replaced Leht is 25 years old. I think Marty needs a guy that he can 1--tutur and 2--A guy that can take his place in a few years and 3--a guy who can carry about 2/5 or 1/2 of the workload---MArty has been a great soldier and he is a hall of famer--but the amount of games he has played in last 15 years--it is starting to show

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11-09-2008, 03:05 AM
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A news report from Edmonton says Atlanta has had sent a guy out to scout the Oilers for the last few days.

http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Hockey/NHL...36461-sun.html

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Then New Jersey Devils, in the market for a temporary goalie while Martin Brodeur recovers from elbow surgery, did not send a scout to Pittsburgh last night to watch the Oilers. But the Atlanta Thrashers, who have the second-worst goals-against average in the NHL, had a guy trailing Edmonton for the last three games.
Might be related to Lehtonen.

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11-09-2008, 03:06 AM
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A news report from the Edmonton Journal says Atlanta has had sent a guy out to scout the Oilers for the last few days.

http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Hockey/NHL...36461-sun.html

Might be related to Lehtonen.
Interesting!

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11-09-2008, 08:31 AM
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The SV% of all three ATL goalies are relatively low: .889 (P), .903 (L), .837 (H). Auld is .936 (how long will that last?), and Gerber was at .898 - if ATL could switch Lehtonen for Gerber and get a good player that could work very well for them (save job of GM etc.) - Ottawa would want to move G for L due to salary, if picking up L

The big Bg article, noted in a post above, is at:

Ottawa Sun: Thrashers could be dealing...

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11-09-2008, 08:54 AM
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If the Thrashers want to move Lehtonen, it would be to keep Pavelec and Hedberg up. I don't see the Thrashers moving Lehtonen in order to get another goalie back....it kind of defeats the purpose behind moving Lehtonen in the first place.

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If the Thrashers want to move Lehtonen, it would be to keep Pavelec and Hedberg up. I don't see the Thrashers moving Lehtonen in order to get another goalie back....it kind of defeats the purpose behind moving Lehtonen in the first place.
It's not that much of a hardship to keep Gerber for a few months, until either the trade deadline or he becomes a UFA at season end, and playing goalies with .837 SV%, at this time, is not the best for the GM's job in the short term.

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what kind of return would they be looking for if anyone has a guess?
IMO, Atlanta will be looking for a similar return that San Jose got for Toskla. (2007 1st Rounder, 2007 2nd Rounder, 2009 4th Rounder)

Lehtonen (IMO) is a better goalie then Toskla; but there are other things to consider:

1.) The 2007 draft was weak and not very deep
2.) Most will agree The Leafs over-paid for Toskla
3.) San Jose Management wins trades unlike Atlanta Management

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IMO, Atlanta will be looking for a similar return that San Jose got for Toskla. (2007 1st Rounder, 2007 2nd Rounder, 2009 4th Rounder)...
Ottawa gives that up without blinking (2009 1st (SJ's), 2009 2nd, 2010 4th), as long as Gerber is moved somewhere (ATL, NJ etc.) for salary reasons. However I think Atlanta would prefer to get a player back in return to kickstart their stalled team, not just a set of picks.

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Ottawa gives that up without blinking (2009 1st (SJ's), 2009 2nd, 2010 4th)
Here I stand, Corrected.

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Waddell is really showing why hes the worst GM in the leauge. what good is it, if hes trading his top goalie.
You obviously don't know much about Ondrej Pavelec.

There are some in the organization that consider him better than Lehtonen in long term potential. The Thrashers turned down some very good trade offers for Pavelec this summer.

Personally I think Pavelec is much better mentally than Lehtonen while Lehtonen is better positionally (at this point). If Lehtonen gives up a bad goal it can rattle him for the rest of the game--I've seen it too many times.

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Pavalec is VERY good, one of the top goalies in the AHL, he is ready for the NHL and Atlanta is VERY high on him.

Kari has been the odd man out for quite some time, but now that Pavalec is ready to take the next step, Kari will probbaly be gone

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If this rumour is true, I think it's a pretty safe bet to assume that Waddell is going to manage to put the Thrashers in an even worse position after the trade.

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Garrioch is saying the Wings and Flyers are interested.
Garrioch is so dumb. Why would Detroit be interested in Lehtonen? First of all that would go against their philosophy that you dont need to spend over $1.5 mill a year for a goalie when you can build your defense up around him and have success. On top of that they have capable young goalies in their system who are under contract and are under contract for cheap and are just as proven as Lehtonen. Jimmy Howard and Daniel Larsson would probably start for a good number of NHL teams or would at least be on their rosters. Plus they have Thomas McCollum on the horizon.

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