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11-09-2008, 10:29 AM
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Waddell is really showing why hes the worst GM in the leauge. what good is it, if hes trading his top goalie.
Kari Lehtonen has been far from the best anything in Atlanta. He has proven to be inconsistent since he entered the league. Now whether you blame that on the teams in front of him over the years or his constant barrage of injuries, I don't know. What I do know is any team acquiring him right now would be lucky to get 50 games out of him in a given season.

Atlanta can afford to move Kari and get a pretty decent return for him because they have Pavelec and he is also a very good goalie. If you move Pavelec you get a small return, if you move Kari you get a much better return, at least I think they would. Which is why they should move 25 year old Kari and keep 21 year old Ondrej Pavelec in this situation.

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11-09-2008, 10:31 AM
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bingo

Altlanta has ZERO defense, yet he still has a SV% above .900
Well, if that's the case, I offer RANDY. JONES. of the flyers. a few things will have to be worked out and tweaked, like maybe sending an additional draft pick to the flyers, but it seems really doable.





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11-09-2008, 10:37 AM
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Flyers, Panthers, Kings, Leafs?
Uhh...Yeah, no, we're ok in net..If we deal any goalies, we'll just call Pogge up..soo

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11-09-2008, 10:42 AM
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You obviously don't know much about Ondrej Pavelec.

There are some in the organization that consider him better than Lehtonen in long term potential. The Thrashers turned down some very good trade offers for Pavelec this summer.

Personally I think Pavelec is much better mentally than Lehtonen while Lehtonen is better positionally (at this point). If Lehtonen gives up a bad goal it can rattle him for the rest of the game--I've seen it too many times.
Have not seen Pavelec, but have heard this as well. Which is why Lehtonen will be dealt, his contract expires this year and Pavalec the following year. If Lehtonen wants somewhere between what he makes now and what a (somewhat) comparable player is getting, lets say MA Fleury, there's no way ATL can do that and sign Pavelec. Its more about contracts than playing time, IMO.

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11-09-2008, 10:45 AM
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Have not seen Pavelec, but have heard this as well. Which is why Lehtonen will be dealt, his contract expires this year and Pavalec the following year. If Lehtonen wants somewhere between what he makes now and what a (somewhat) comparable player is getting, lets say MA Fleury, there's no way ATL can do that and sign Pavelec. Its more about contracts than playing time, IMO.
there's no way lehtonen gets 5 mill in his next contract. no way.

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11-09-2008, 10:58 AM
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from the thread on the ottawa board, my proposition.
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to Atlanta
A. Vermette (2.77M, UFA july '10)
M. Gerber (3.7M, UFA july '09)
SJ 1st rounder

to Ottawa
K. Lehtonen (3.0, RFA july '09)
XLB (1.4, UFA July '10, salary dump)

net movement +2M to atlanta (they have the space)

XLB probably goes to binghamton, or to another team if he doesnt clear waivers.
Gerber probably goes to chicago as pavelec comes up, because chicago then needs a starting goalie.
Ottawa brings up zubov to fill vermette's spot (zubov/exelby swap saves ottawa another 550K)

Ottawa then has 5.7M in cap space avaliable, enough to make a d-man trade or sign sundin/forsberg. Auld and lehtonen battle it out. Next year auld probably gets traded and we are left with lehtonen/elliott.
how do atlanta fans think this would work?

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11-09-2008, 11:22 AM
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to Atlanta
A. Vermette (2.77M, UFA july '10)
M. Gerber (3.7M, UFA july '09)
SJ 1st rounder

to Ottawa
K. Lehtonen (3.0, RFA july '09)
XLB (1.4, UFA July '10, salary dump)

net movement +2M to atlanta (they have the space)

XLB probably goes to binghamton, or to another team if he doesnt clear waivers.
Gerber probably goes to chicago as pavelec comes up, because chicago then needs a starting goalie.
Ottawa brings up zubov to fill vermette's spot (zubov/exelby swap saves ottawa another 550K)

Ottawa then has 5.7M in cap space avaliable, enough to make a d-man trade or sign sundin/forsberg. Auld and lehtonen battle it out. Next year auld probably gets traded and we are left with lehtonen/elliott.

how do atlanta fans think this would work?
This trade helps OTT but fundamentally fails to understand ATL's needs.

Why would we want Gerber at that price when we have Hedberg and Pavelec to cover G?

Why would we dump Exelby when he has been playing decent hockey this year and we have both Schneider and Bogosian hurt?

Here is what the Thrashers need young cheap scoring forwards.

Our defense is young and we have Kulda on the way. Enstrom Hainsey and Bogosian are long term building blocks.

Pavelec and Kangas are the future in goal.

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11-09-2008, 11:24 AM
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Garrioch is so dumb. Why would Detroit be interested in Lehtonen? First of all that would go against their philosophy that you dont need to spend over $1.5 mill a year for a goalie when you can build your defense up around him and have success. On top of that they have capable young goalies in their system who are under contract and are under contract for cheap and are just as proven as Lehtonen. Jimmy Howard and Daniel Larsson would probably start for a good number of NHL teams or would at least be on their rosters. Plus they have Thomas McCollum on the horizon.
Sorry but you're just wrong on this one.

The Wings have always liked Lehtonen and they don't think Howard will ever develop into a #1 goalie. Osgood is 36 and McCollum probably may not be ready until he is 22-23 years old. Lehtonen is exactly the sort of goalie Detroit would look at to fill in the gap.

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11-09-2008, 11:38 AM
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Garrioch is so dumb. Why would Detroit be interested in Lehtonen? First of all that would go against their philosophy that you dont need to spend over $1.5 mill a year for a goalie when you can build your defense up around him and have success. On top of that they have capable young goalies in their system who are under contract and are under contract for cheap and are just as proven as Lehtonen. Jimmy Howard and Daniel Larsson would probably start for a good number of NHL teams or would at least be on their rosters. Plus they have Thomas McCollum on the horizon.
That same philosophy that led them to outbid Ottawa for Gerber's services, only to have him accept Ottawa's offer so he could play for a Canadian team?

Damn you Gerber, damn you to hell.

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11-09-2008, 12:37 PM
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This trade helps OTT but fundamentally fails to understand ATL's needs.

Why would we want Gerber at that price when we have Hedberg and Pavelec to cover G?

Why would we dump Exelby when he has been playing decent hockey this year and we have both Schneider and Bogosian hurt?

Here is what the Thrashers need young cheap scoring forwards.

Our defense is young and we have Kulda on the way. Enstrom Hainsey and Bogosian are long term building blocks.

Pavelec and Kangas are the future in goal.
I can see Ottawa doing something like Foligno/Lee/Gerber/SJ 1st for Kovalchuk/Lehtonen. Their window of opportunity is shrinking and they need to make a big splash and go for it.

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Flyers, Panthers, Kings, Leafs?
Maybe, NO, maybe, NO.

Cats with Vokoun and Leafs with Toskala have their #1 for a few years. Flyers may get tired of Biron/Niitty and make a move. Kings have needed a goalie for years.

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I can see Ottawa doing something like Foligno/Lee/Gerber/SJ 1st for Kovalchuk/Lehtonen. Their window of opportunity is shrinking and they need to make a big splash and go for it.
And if Waddell obliged, every remaining Thrasher fan would have a right to storm the Thrashers' executive offices and tar and feather the guy.

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To Atlanta: Vermette, Brian Lee, 2nd Round pick

To Ottawa: Kari Lehtonen, Matheiu Schneider

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Garrioch is so dumb. Why would Detroit be interested in Lehtonen? First of all that would go against their philosophy that you dont need to spend over $1.5 mill a year for a goalie when you can build your defense up around him and have success. On top of that they have capable young goalies in their system who are under contract and are under contract for cheap and are just as proven as Lehtonen. Jimmy Howard and Daniel Larsson would probably start for a good number of NHL teams or would at least be on their rosters. Plus they have Thomas McCollum on the horizon.
IMO, One of (if not the most) over looked prospect on HFBoards. The only people that know anything about him are Detroit fans or people that follow Hockey East. I still think he's going to be a very good (Top-7) goalie in the NHL very soon.

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He's on a cheap 1yr deal that expires after this year, i would guess there are a lot of teams interested in Lehtonen and a few that won't want to admit they are.

I could see these teams being interested...

Ottawa
LA
Dallas
Colorado
New Jersey
Washington
Edmonton

Sure some of them would have to make a few moves to make the space for him but it wouldn't take that much. He would be the earliest rental that could end up signing long term with the team he is traded to. In Ottawa's case, i would guess they would want to send Atlanta Gerber and make it an Auld-Lehtonen duo.

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To Atlanta: Vermette, Brian Lee, 2nd Round pick

To Ottawa: Kari Lehtonen, Matheiu Schneider
That's a massive overpayment by the Senators.

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To Atlanta: Vermette, Brian Lee, 2nd Round pick

To Ottawa: Kari Lehtonen, Matheiu Schneider
I think ATL needs to add more for OTT to take on -11 in 12 games super expensive Schneider

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I think ATL needs to add more for OTT to take on -11 in 12 games super expensive Schneider
+/- is pretty useless on a team as bad as Atlanta

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To Atlanta: Vermette, Brian Lee, 2nd Round pick

To Ottawa: Kari Lehtonen, Matheiu Schneider
We can't take on that much salary. Probably an overpayment too.

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+/- is pretty useless on a team as bad as Atlanta
You don't understand +/-. You don't compare against different teams, you compare within a team - that is Schneider was on the ice with other Atlanta players, but the next lowest - on Atlanta is -6, then -5. Schneider is in a class by himself.

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Jimmy Howard and Daniel Larsson would probably start for a good number of NHL teams or would at least be on their rosters.
Jimmy Howard would start for a good number of NHL teams? Is this the same Jimmy Howard who hasn't had a save percentage above .911 in 3+ seasons in the AHL? You're stretching it a bit. The fact that Detroit went out and signed a backup probably shows they aren't completely confident in Howard still.

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If Washington made a move it would make them a favorite in the East. I think he could be a good fit there.

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If Washington made a move it would make them a favorite in the East. I think he could be a good fit there.
I dunno, trading him to a division rivalry, Lehtonen could burn Thrashers in the end.

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I'm not a fan of Lehtonen but Edmonton would likely be a good trading partner if Atlanta is looking for cheap young skilled forwards.

Robert Nilsson
Gilbert Brule
Rob Schremp
Slave Trukhno
Andrew Cogliano
Sam Gagner

I doubt that Edmonton would move Gagner or Cogliano but something around Robert Nilsson + Gilbert Brule might interest the Thrashers.

If Edmonton feels Theo Peckham is close to NHL (which is he) they might look into moving Ladi Smid but he wouldn't come cheap.

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