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11-09-2008, 06:56 PM
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If certain forwards keep struggling, we could see Chipchura for sure but don't count out D'Agostini (off to a hot start), Maxwell or even (gasp) Glumac? (ok maybe not).

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11-09-2008, 07:52 PM
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My 2 cents.

Carbo basically got his handed to him by Ron Wilson who coached circles around Carbonneau on Saturday and played him like a fiddle.

1. It was clear that Wilson's game plan was to get Price off his game from the start and it paid dividends all game long. Yes, CH got a couple of goals on the PP as retribution, but in the long run, Wilson's tactics clearly affected Price and not only him but threw the whole team, including the coach off their game

In the end, the team was more intent on getting even with some players esp. Grab instead of winning the game.

Ron Wilson coached his notalent team to hustle and bust their tails to win in at any cost including cheating and Carbo had no answer for him except to fall into Wilson's ploy at getting under Carbo and the team's collars and making them lose focus.

I'm not advocating cheating but Carbo needs to be enough of a coach to recognize situations like this and ensure that the team remains focused.

2. Carbo didn't do himself any favours last time CH played Leafs by playing his #1 PP unit even when they had score 6 goals already.

They say people have long memories in hockey and this is exactly the reason why. The Leafs clearly stayed up many nights plotting their revenge for Carbo's intent to humilate them in that game.
A good coach would respect his oppenents and not humilate them esp. when they will be playing them all season long. This loss may determine if CH get top seeding or not...or worse yet, whether they get into the playoffs or not. Yes, there is no guarantee that this team will get invited to the dance at this point.

I think that the team and the coach is on dangerous grounds by assuming that they are a better team than they really are.

3. Ron Wilson's team out hustled and busted their tails off while CH were dancing around like ballerinas for much of the game. This is largely the coach's fault. One coach motivated their team while the other rested on his laurels.

Guess which kind of team will win in the playoffs? A hard working, no talent team with something to prove or bunch of cream puffs who think that they deserve to win? Give me the former every time!

This is why I a very nervous about a match up with the Flyers and the Bruins. Both have more talent than the Leafs and both have a lot to prove and both play their hearts out.

Bob should be very nervous right now if his team doesn't learn some lessons very quickly.


Guys like Lats and even Lapierre are getting back into their bad habits because they know that they won't be sent down. These guys should have their ***** sat for half dozen games or so if they don't respond properly.

It was painful to see that a twiggy, 5'10" Grab was crashing the net and parked himself out in front of Carey Price all game long even if he resorted to his chicken **** antics, while a big ole powerforward wanna be like Gui Latendresse is still afraid to go play in front of the net.

This team is still FAR from a team that will hoist the Cup and it was very evident on this night.

The good thing is that it's still early in the season and adjustments can be made.

Now let's see how the team and the coaching staff handle this loss and responds.


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11-09-2008, 08:00 PM
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You can add:

Ron Hainsey = now a good top 3 defencemen in a team. Would be solid paired with his friend Komisarek. THE guy that would make a huge difference in our D-core.

Francois Beauchemin = Now a good top 4 defencemen in a team. Would be solid paired with Hamrlik. Another guy that would make a huge difference in our D-core.

Alexander Perezhogin = Best pure goalscorer not playing in the NHL. Incredible talent and know how to play defence. Too bad Carbo didn't like him

Terrible management job...


Holy ****ing ****. Maybe if I use a real big font people will understand re: Hainsey.

He was terrible during the lockout, terrible during the following training camp & due to his incredibly slow development, he had to pass through waivers. He was offered around the league for peanuts & nobody bit. The only reason he was claimed was that the Blue Jackets were so decimated with injuries that they were desperate for anyone.

I watched the kid trip over his own ******* feet in Hamilton while skating backwards & it let to a goal. I watched the supposed 'power play specialist' cough up the puck at the point so many times he made Brisebois look like Doug Harvey. Don't ****ing tell me about mismanaged prospects. If I never hear about Hainsey again it will be too soon.

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Try living in Cornwall, we have the tri-fecta of trash talking Leaf, Sens and Bruins fans. Luckily the Habs recent resurgence has given us Habs fans a voice again. Thank god.
i resemble that remark.. Bruins fan in Cornwall.. Respect the Habs and enjoy reading your site dont usually post because its viewed as trolling but..not trolling but i'm really surprised of how supportive people are regarding the Kost hit on Grabovski. I thought it was a cheap shot to run him without the puck with his head down..

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11-09-2008, 08:02 PM
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I'm pretty late posting, but I agree with other posters on this thread that Latendresse and Lapierre looked useless last night. How's Chips doing in the AHL? I'm sure he'll be more useful than Lapierre.
when does Lapierre NOT look useless?


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11-09-2008, 08:06 PM
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when does Lapierre NOT look useless?
Lapierre has been playing great since the start of the season buddy.

I seriously wonder what people expect out of our players sometime.

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11-09-2008, 08:08 PM
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Lapierre has been playing great since the start of the season buddy.

I seriously wonder what people expect out of our players sometime.
I've never been a Lapierre fan.

I think he's useless. Flame me if you want but it's my opinion.

The guy NEVER passes the puck. He thinks he's a goalscorer or something.

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11-09-2008, 08:11 PM
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I just wanted to post this, because I was going to post it in the thread in the main NHL board, but that thread got closed

This is in no way trolling, I just want to get thoughts on this opinion.

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The Habs had a sense of entitlement before the season - won the Eastern Conference, made the playoffs, made it to the 2nd round, were a few bad bounces to the ECF

And initially the Habs played well enough to justify this...
but this game I hope is a turning point. No team is entitled to anyhting, the Red Wings are not entitled to the playoffs, let alone the Stanley Cup. After having won it all, the Canes have not made the playoffs since - after having reacched the finals, neither ahve the Oilers. Ottawa and Anaheim have similarily done nothing after their playoff success

No matter how well they coast through the season based on talent, if the Canadiens play like they did iin this game, they will be swept out of the playoffs.

However, it's just one game, and I think that Carbonneau (SP) is a good coach, and will instill the all important effort into their guys.

Not just effort, but discipline. TKO CANNOT go around boarding, Kostitsyn cannot charge recklsessly, especially in a winnable game.

The Habs should have won this game. Price and Markov did their part IMO, and Tanguay, other than the penalties, did his.

I also dont think that a team like this can afford roster spots for guys like Latendresse, someone who may score 15 goals, but wont forcheck, or defend, or provide a world class talent.

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11-09-2008, 08:12 PM
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I've never been a Lapierre fan.

I think he's useless. Flame me if you want but it's my opinion.

The guy NEVER passes the puck. He thinks he's a goalscorer or something.
who cares if he never passes the puck. he plays on a line with BGL and Kosto/Begin/Dandy. Like seriously who the **** cares. The line is not there to score goals, every second the puck is in the offensive zone with him on the ice is a bonus. Lapierre is on the team to agitate othe rplayers, play some shutdown hockey and win faceoffs. He does all three of them well. Generating offenceis way down on the list of priorities for him.

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11-09-2008, 08:13 PM
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I've never been a Lapierre fan.

I think he's useless. Flame me if you want but it's my opinion.

The guy NEVER passes the puck. He thinks he's a goalscorer or something.
No he doesn't, he knows he's a worse passer than shooter and he might be thinking instead of making a pass, possibly being turned over, he'll go for a shot.

You should be happy enough with the fact that he's getting enough chances for you to notice that he's never passing.

He's a 4th liner playing with an enforcer and a couple energy players, and he gets a number of chances, too bad he's not capitalizing but he's getting chances. Be happy about that instead of being disappointed he never shoots. His role is not to get offensive chances, the fact he is getting some is a great bonus.

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11-09-2008, 08:33 PM
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Lapierre may not score but he renders a service whenever he keeps an opponent's top line busy so that after 45 seconds they have to get off the ice without having accomplished anything. That is, if Lapierre and his linemates aren't penalized for doing something stupid.

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who cares if he never passes the puck. he plays on a line with BGL and Kosto/Begin/Dandy. Like seriously who the **** cares. The line is not there to score goals, every second the puck is in the offensive zone with him on the ice is a bonus. Lapierre is on the team to agitate othe rplayers, play some shutdown hockey and win faceoffs. He does all three of them well. Generating offenceis way down on the list of priorities for him.
Very good points. The 4th line is the least of our problems.

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11-09-2008, 09:07 PM
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Anyone notice how many PP goals the Leafs scored after we lost our PK god for the night?

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11-09-2008, 09:32 PM
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I just wanted to post this, because I was going to post it in the thread in the main NHL board, but that thread got closed

This is in no way trolling, I just want to get thoughts on this opinion.

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Haven't had the chance to watch all the game (for the first time in forever), but from what I saw, I must agree with your points... As for being overconfident, it's not pretty obvious IMO that the players were getting too cocky, and a reality check like this one can't do any wrong.

Once again, some combos are just not working, and the team has got to stop playing that much of an open type of game. We have to close the center-ice, and to be more patient. Komisarek and O'Byrne will have to elevate their games a notch though, because you can't succeed with 2 D-Men playing awful... especially when Hamrlik (the rock - the stability of our defense) is hurt.

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Basically they're asking themselves if they're still in the organisation's plans... And they say if things keep on going like this, they'll basically ask for a trade...

When 4th liners begin to act like this, it can't do any good to a team... Gainey has to deal with this ASAP, because this is going to get ugly very soon... Anyway... Dandenault and Begin have nothing to do there, these spots belong to Stewart...


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Basically they're asking themselves if they're still in the organisation's plans... And they say if things keep on going like this, they'll basically ask for a trade...

When 4th liners begin to act like this, it can't do any good to a team... Gainey has to deal with this ASAP, because this is going to get ugly very soon... Anyway... Dandenault and Begin have nothing to do there, these spots belong to Stewart...


Did they honestly think they'd be playing every game this year? Begin's lucky to still be collecting an NHL paycheck, as much as I hate Dandenault he has played decently but we have other guys in Hamilton who could bring a lot more to the team than he does.

Get rid of one of them at least Bob so Chipchura or D'Agostini can be called up and hopefully that will wake up some guys who have been taking their roster spots for granted.

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11-09-2008, 09:53 PM
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Did they honestly think they'd be playing every game this year? Begin's lucky to still be collecting an NHL paycheck, as much as I hate Dandenault he has played decently but we have other guys in Hamilton who could bring a lot more to the team than he does.

Get rid of one of them at least Bob so Chipchura or D'Agostini can be called up and hopefully that will wake up some guys who have been taking their roster spots for granted.
Exactly... Begin shouldn't whine with his 1,3M paycheck this year...

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11-09-2008, 09:55 PM
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Exactly... Begin shouldn't whine with his 1,3M paycheck this year...
wanting to get in the lineup is 'whining' now?

Carbo should have an open dialogue with his veterans, especially when he intends for them to watch games from the pressbox most of the year.

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Did they honestly think they'd be playing every game this year? Begin's lucky to still be collecting an NHL paycheck, as much as I hate Dandenault he has played decently but we have other guys in Hamilton who could bring a lot more to the team than he does.

Get rid of one of them at least Bob so Chipchura or D'Agostini can be called up and hopefully that will wake up some guys who have been taking their roster spots for granted.
I don't think we can get rid of either of them until we find out whether Kostopoulos gets a suspension. Either Begin or Dandy are the best options for replacing Kosto.

Having said that, I wish they'd just shut their mouths and enjoy the Centennial season as members of the historic franchise.

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wanting to get in the lineup is 'whining' now?

Carbo should have an open dialogue with his veterans, especially when he intends for them to watch games from the pressbox most of the year.
The way he's been costing this team with his stupid penalties in the last 3 years, he should take his spot and shut the hell up... Sorry, but he's not doing anything to help its cause, and being journeymen in the NHL means you've got to be ready to accept to not play...

Hell... Have you ever heard about a fourth liner whining because he's getting benched? This is ridiculous. If Begin and Dandenault can't understand they're at this point in their career, well they're better off retiring, because I feel like the Habs and the management have been already REALLY patient with them.

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Don't sweat, even the Sharks lost to Phoenix tonight.

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Sticking someone in the balls with a butt end is about 1000x worse than a little rabbit punch.

If he is reacting to a punch he should be a man and turn around and drop the gloves... not stick the guy in the balls.


The stick is a weapon... its not defending yourself, its a bullcrap move.

If someone punches you in the back of the head and you hit them with a hockey stick its not self defence.
AMEN Finally someone gets it.

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He played on the Koivu Tanguay line for the first 10 games and got a whooping 1 goal. Now that he is on his proper line maybe people will stop hyping him up and he wont get bashed.

I doubt anyone will be saying that about Lats because his potential is unknown because he has no known skill that he excells at. He has a bunch of skills he is mediocre at so right now...

Perezhogin >>>>> Latendresse.

Perezhogin was alot llike Grabovski, he came in and showed flashes of being incredible but he did slump. The difference was the leafs gave Grabovski a chance, the habs put Perezhogin on a checking line. I wouldnt be suprised to see a team offer Perezhogin a contract to come back when he isnt habs property anymore.
He had 7 points... goals or assists he was contributing....

He is not on the proper line now... the third line is way TOOOOO slow and a defensive liability....

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how come no one is talking about the worst cheap shot of all that game from AK. a butt end to a goalie, oh I am sure Price really felt that through all the padding. but what AK did was unforgivable. Schenn could be out right now with a shredded knee with that stick to the skate. Luke is going full speed to the boards and AK just takes him out. Luke is very lucky to not be out for months right now. so enough about the dirty Grabs and let's talk about the dirty Andrei.

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11-09-2008, 11:24 PM
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I'll just speak for myself, because I know ppl have mixed feelings, but I like Begin. I always liked his grittyness (often stupid mistakes), but he was a great presence in the locker room.

As for Lats, the poor guy gets shuffled more then a deck of cards @ a black jack table. How can he produce if he has no damn chemistry. He is just a pawn on the team that gets moved around when its convenient. He was doing fine with Tanguay and Koivu for awhile. I think hes a good player that needs a fair chance.

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I'll just speak for myself, because I know ppl have mixed feelings, but I like Begin. I always liked his grittyness (often stupid mistakes), but he was a great presence in the locker room.

As for Lats, the poor guy gets shuffled more then a deck of cards @ a black jack table. How can he produce if he has no damn chemistry. He is just a pawn on the team that gets moved around when its convenient. He was doing fine with Tanguay and Koivu for awhile. I think hes a good player that needs a fair chance.
1 goal in 10 games when you are supposed to be that lines goal scorer isn't "FINE".
He wasn't living up to the production that position required so he was moved. Some people need to realize that.

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