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11-09-2008, 04:11 PM
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I think the teams used should be Winnipeg, along with either Hamilton or Quebec.

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11-09-2008, 04:16 PM
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To clarify: playing in the AHL under an NHL contract counts towards 1st/2nd year exempt status. It's not just NHL seasons.
not exempt:
- Casey Borer is in his 3rd pro season.
- Dwight Helminen is in his 4th pro season.
- Pat Dwyer is in this 3rd pro season.
Not exempt:
- Joe Pavelski is in his 3rd pro season.
- Tomas Plihal is in his 6th pro season
Not exempt:
- Benoit Pouliot is in his 3rd pro season.
- Erik Reitz is in his 7th pro season.
Yeah, those lists should be changed.

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11-09-2008, 04:19 PM
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Chicago's list.

Protected List:

G:
Huet

D:
Campbell
Keith
Seabrook
Barker
Wisniewski

F:
Kane
Toews
Sharp
Bolland
Byfuglien
Ladd
Havlat
Versteeg
Brouwer

Unprotected

Khabibulin

Johnson
Sopel
Walker

Burish
Eager
C. Adams
Fraser

Do proseasons in Europe count or is it just seasons in NA? If they do count then i'd need to make some adjustments. Also is this being done as if the expansion happened at the start of this season i.e. people who have had 2 pro seasons before this one started would be exempt?


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11-09-2008, 04:23 PM
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RANGERS

Lundqvist

Staal
Rozsival
Redden
Mara
Girardi

Dubinsky
Zherdev
Naslund
Gomez
Drury
Callahan
Voros
Dawes
Prucha

That leaves:

Valiquette
Kalinin
Rissmiller
Sjostrom
Betts
Orr
Fritsche
at this moment i'd rather protect sjöström instead of either prucha or dawes, but probably prucha since he has a bigger cap hit...

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11-09-2008, 04:50 PM
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To clarify: playing in the AHL under an NHL contract counts towards 1st/2nd year exempt status. It's not just NHL seasons.

not exempt:
- Casey Borer is in his 3rd pro season.
- Dwight Helminen is in his 4th pro season.
- Pat Dwyer is in this 3rd pro season.
Ah, makes sense then. Although how many games have to be played to count as a season? Borer only played 1 regular season game in the A in 06-07.

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11-09-2008, 04:50 PM
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If I understand the exemption rules corectly Carey Price and Sergei Kostitysn would be exempt allowing protection of Halak and ...... Lapierre?
Yup thats right, Halak and Lapierre should be added to the Protected list, and you have to add Mike Glumac,Greg Stewart,Kyle Chipchura,Matt D'Agostini,David Desharnais,Mathieu Aubin,Ryan Flinn,Yanick Lehoux,Dan Jancevski,Alex Henry and Shawn Belle to the Unprotected list because they played more than 2 years pro.

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11-09-2008, 04:59 PM
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Do proseasons in Europe count or is it just seasons in NA? If they do count then i'd need to make some adjustments. Also is this being done as if the expansion happened at the start of this season i.e. people who have had 2 pro seasons before this one started would be exempt?
The CBA only counts pro seasons if the player was under a NHL contract. So if a player were signed to a NHL contract and later loaned to an European team it would count. Otherwise not.

Similarly, seasons in the AHL only count if the player were under NHL contract. If a player was playing in the AHL under a minor league AHL contract or tryout contract, then later signed to an NHL contract the clock would only start ticking when the NHL contract went into effect.

Example: 07-08 Hobey Baker award winner Kevin Porter signed an NHL contract with Phoenix this past spring after the college season ended, but that contract started with the 08-09 season. Porter also signed a tryout contract with Phoenix's AHL affiliate that allowed him to play in the 07-08 AHL playoffs. Because Porter did not play under an NHL contract in 07-08, for exemption purposes (and all other NHL seasons clauses, etc) his first pro season would be considered 08-09 under the CBA rules even though he played in the AHL in 07-08.

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11-09-2008, 05:06 PM
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Ah, makes sense then. Although how many games have to be played to count as a season? Borer only played 1 regular season game in the A in 06-07.
Double checking, you're right his 06-07 doesn't count, so this is his 2nd pro season under the CBA. Same reason as the Kevin Porter example I posted above. Borer played in the AHL under an AHL tryout contract in 06-07.

Funny how convoluted this stuff can get.

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11-09-2008, 05:17 PM
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Similarly, seasons in the AHL only count if the player were under NHL contract.
You know a site where i can look what kind of contract the AHL player have signed?

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11-09-2008, 05:35 PM
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The Blue Jackets would protect Commodore before they would protect Tollefsen.

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11-09-2008, 05:49 PM
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You know a site where i can look what kind of contract the AHL player have signed?
If the player is on IB's site nhlscap.com then it's an NHL contract. He won't show players on AHL deals. Most players a teams would care about are on NHL deals.

Also, sportsnet.ca has pretty good details for the contract signing dates on most players.

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Yup thats right, Halak and Lapierre should be added to the Protected list, and you have to add Mike Glumac,Greg Stewart,Kyle Chipchura,Matt D'Agostini,David Desharnais,Mathieu Aubin,Ryan Flinn,Yanick Lehoux,Dan Jancevski,Alex Henry and Shawn Belle to the Unprotected list because they played more than 2 years pro.
I think it has to be an NHL level contract for it to count. I could be wrong but I don't think the bolded players have signed NHL level contracts for over 2 years.

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11-09-2008, 06:28 PM
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The Blue Jackets would protect Commodore before they would protect Tollefsen.
That's what I thought.

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Blues

Exempt:
F- P. Berglund
F- TJ Oshie
F- C. Porter
F- D. Perron
D- E. Johnson
D- A. Pietrangelo
D- S. Wagner
D- R. Polak
D- J. Woywitka (Not 100% sure on him)
G- B. Bishop
G- M. Shwarz

Protected:
F- P. Kariya
F- A. McDonald
F- B. Boyes
F- L. Stempniak
F- D. Backes
F- K. Tkachuk
F- J. McClement
F- DJ King
F- C. Janssen

D- E. Brewer
D- B. Jackman
D- J. McKee
D- M. Weaver
D- J. Woywitka (If he's exempt, then I don't know)

G- M. Legace

The Leftovers:
G- C. Mason
F- D. Hinote
F- Y. Stastny
F- D. Koci

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11-09-2008, 06:57 PM
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I'm an idiot, Kane and Toews are exempt. Not sure how i missed that. Remove them from Chicago's list and add Burish and Eager to the protected list.

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no one's done it, so i'll do dallas. Feel free to correct me.

exempt: Brunnstrom, Neal, Niskanen, Vishnevskiy

Protected
(G) Marty Turco
(D) Trevor Daley
(D) Stephan Robidas
(D) Nik Grossman
(D) Mark Fistric
(D) Sergei Zubov
(F) Richards
(F) Ribiero
(F) Morrow
(F) Lehtinen
(F) Avery
(F) Modano
(F) Eriksson
(F) Ott
(F) Crombeen
exposed: Tobias Stephan, Philippe Boucher, Doug Janik, Joel Lundqvist, Krys Barch, Toby Peterson

couldnt really figure out who to protect as the 9th forward. Chose Crombeen eventually, but peterson and barch could recieve consideration too.

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11-09-2008, 07:54 PM
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Come on, I need some lists! Thanks to everyone who has contributed so far.

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11-10-2008, 06:28 AM
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I'd be willing to help out if needed, just contact me via PM.

I think the teams used should be Winnipeg, along with either Hamilton or Quebec.
You can just post the roster you think is right, you know.

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I wonder if the new teams would be as good as Nashville was at trading for players based in europe.

They got a couple of core players through that, like Kimmo Timonen.

But now it's easier to just sign guys as rights aren't owned for as long.

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Florida

Horton
Weiss
Booth
Stillman
Frolik
Olesz
Stewart

That is seven forwards, they can have anyone else from the forward spot.

Bouwmeester
Ballard
Allen
McCabe

What I said about the forwards, applies here as well. These are the only four I would protect.

Vokoun

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Attempting to do the Capitals:
(based on play this season and last)

Protected:
-Goalies-
G - Johnson

-Forwards-
F - Ovechkin
F - Semin
F - Laich
F - Fleischmann
F - Gordon
F - Kozlov
F - Steckel
F - Fehr
F - Fedorov

-Defensemen-
D - Green
D - Schultz
D - Poti
D - Morrisonn
D - Jurcina

-Exempt-
F - Backstrom

Unprotected:
-Goalies-
G - Theodore

-Forwards-
F - Nylander
F - Clark
F - Brashear
F - Bradley

-Defensemen-
D - Pothier
D - Erskine

Comments, and please feel free to criticize this list:
-I originally had Fedorov on the unprotected list, but decided against it - I believe he has one more year in him after this current season. Nylander is similar but Fedorov is clearly superior.
-Morrisonn's play as of late doesn't warrant protecting but I believe he will improve or at least get back to where he was.
-Erskine vs. Jurcina was a toss up. Protected Jurcina due to age.

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Oilers
Protected
G. Mathieu Garon

D. Sheldon Souray
D. Tom Gilbert
D. Lubomir Visnovsky
D. Denis Grebeshkov
D. Ladislav Smid

F.Ales Hemsky
F. Sam Gagner
F. Andrew Cogliano

F. Robert Nilsson
F. Dustin Penner
F. Shawn Horcoff
F. Erik Cole
F. Kyle Brodziak
F. Ethan Moreau

unprotected

G. Dwayne Roloson
G. Jeff Drouin-Deslauriers

D. Steve Staios
D. Jason Strudwick

F. Fernando Pisani
F. Marc-Antoine Pouliot
F.Zack Stortini
F. Steve Macintyre
Gagner and Cogliano are second year pro's and are exempt.

On the other hand, Brule, Schremp, Jacques, Potulny, Reddox, Young and Roy fit in to the two-years or more category.

Without being an Oiler fan, I would assume Brule would be protected and one of the initially unprotected forwards (Pouliot or Stortini possibly) would be added.

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Blues

Exempt:
F- P. Berglund
F- TJ Oshie
F- C. Porter
F- D. Perron
D- E. Johnson
D- A. Pietrangelo
D- S. Wagner
D- R. Polak
D- J. Woywitka (Not 100% sure on him)

G- B. Bishop
G- M. Shwarz

Protected:
F- P. Kariya
F- A. McDonald
F- B. Boyes
F- L. Stempniak
F- D. Backes
F- K. Tkachuk
F- J. McClement
F- DJ King
F- C. Janssen

D- E. Brewer
D- B. Jackman
D- J. McKee
D- M. Weaver
D- J. Woywitka (If he's exempt, then I don't know)

G- M. Legace

The Leftovers:
G- C. Mason
F- D. Hinote
F- Y. Stastny
F- D. Koci
Polak and Woywitka are not exempt. I'll assume you'd protect them over Weaver. Maybe not? You didn't leave the required mininmum skaters with games played available. A little research shows Brad Winchester counting.

Protected D:

McKee
Brewer
Jackman
Polak
Woywitka?

New Exposed List:

G - C. Mason
G - M. Schwarz (unless you guys are high on Schwarz and want to protect him over Legace, because you could only lose one of Mason/Legace through the draft)
D - M. Weaver
D - A. Wozniewski

F - D. Hinote
F - Y. Stastny
F - D. Koci
F - B. Winchester
And Trent Whitfield and Matt Foy if anyone wanted them.

Bold = count against minimum games played players available

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11-10-2008, 01:35 PM
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an expansion draft would be a greta thing for teams in cap trouble.

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Horton
Weiss
Booth
Stillman
Frolik
Olesz
Stewart

That is seven forwards, they can have anyone else from the forward spot.

Bouwmeester
Ballard
Allen
McCabe

What I said about the forwards, applies here as well. These are the only four I would protect.

Vokoun
I wonder how the league/PA would react to not protecting the full amount.

Anyways, I'll try and do a full one.

Forwards:

Weiss
Horton
Booth
Stillman
Olesz
Stewart (I wouldn't, but the other poster did)
Kreps
Campbell (still young)
Zednik (more points than the other veteran forwards)

Defence:

Bouwmeester
Ballard
Allen
McCabe
Boynton

Goaltender:

Voukon

Exempt:

Frolik
Matthias
Glass
Murphy

Unprotected:

F - R. Dvorak
F - B. McLean
F - V. Peltonen
F - W. Belak

F - D. Larman
D - K. Skrastins
D - R. Fitzpatrick
D - J. Cullimore

D - N. Welch
D - M. Lojek
G - C. Anderson
G - C. Beckford-Tesu

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