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11-09-2008, 02:48 PM
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Jokinen was really holding this team back. We had no change of getting the #1 pick with him onboard, and look at us go now!
Heh. Good one Kaptah...

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Same here.
No matter how bad they are, I will always cheer for them.
I know I said "tank the season" in my first message, and admit that that was not well put. I always wish for the Panthers to win games, but if we don't, in the back of my mind I also hope we finish last so that we hopefully get Tavares. Win-win situation.

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I agree with this up to the point that the really young guys should stay. Everybody else is fair game. Weiss should also stay IMO, he is a good back-stop 2nd line center in case Matthias doesn't pan out, or a great 3rd line center if Matthias reaches his potential. Also in some ways he is a guy to relate to when one thinks about the Panthers.
But fair game for what? If you trade guys like Horton, Olesz, Booth, Stillman etc. at the deadline, you're only going to get picks or prospects back, in most cases. I think we should hold on to most of the team. If we can get fair value back in terms of roster players, then maybe. But that'll be very tough to do. We don't need to change much. Get a good return for Bouw. Draft Tavares or Hedman. And then we should be pretty much set. Maybe sign a UFA. I don't really like the idea of making tons of trades.

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Yeah, I know. Like you say, this may be the reason he stays. Also, I don't know who could replace him, and some continuity is good. On the other hand (again referring to Coolburn), JM believed these guys are good enough, so it may be difficult for him to let go of that idea. Anyway, I'll just take it as a given that Martin stays, unless somebody has a better name to offer.
JM did believe these guys were good enough to compete for a playoff spot this season, but like I've said his re-shaping of this team isn't complete yet. I think he was hoping this team would be good enough to get into the playoffs this season, and then next offseason he'd complete his 3 year plan and address the forward situation. He's not done yet.

Fans are impatient because we haven't made the playoffs in 8 years. One of the problems might be that JM never publicly laid out his 3 year plan, he kind of revealed it in subtle ways over the past couple years. But the question is, after 7 years without the playoffs, would the majority of fans have been receptive to a plan that would take 3 years to complete? Probably not. Ticket sales would have definitely gone down. That's why I think for the last 2 years the org has been paying lip service, saying that they believe they will make the playoffs, but I don't think they 100% believed it. I think they definitely wanted to make the playoffs, and thought they could compete for a berth, but I think they are looking at 09-10 as the year they absolutely believe they will be a playoff team. Now, saying that, I don't think they expected to have a lottery pick finish this season.

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11-09-2008, 03:19 PM
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But fair game for what? If you trade guys like Horton, Olesz, Booth, Stillman etc. at the deadline, you're only going to get picks or prospects back, in most cases. I think we should hold on to most of the team. If we can get fair value back in terms of roster players, then maybe. But that'll be very tough to do. We don't need to change much. Get a good return for Bouw. Draft Tavares or Hedman. And then we should be pretty much set. Maybe sign a UFA. I don't really like the idea of making tons of trades..
I did not really think this one through. I want Weiss to stay, and a few others like Stillman, Allen, McCabe, Booth and Ballard. Also Olesz is good to keep around, he is young enough and could thrive if we could bring in a young stud forward. These guys are needed to keep alive the chances of a speedy rebuild. Horton needs to be replaced if we trade him. All in all, not that many trades/signings/draftings are necessarily needed, but the ones that need to be made are very important: likely a top 4 d-man and two top 6 forwards.

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JM did believe these guys were good enough to compete for a playoff spot this season, but like I've said his re-shaping of this team isn't complete yet. I think he was hoping this team would be good enough to get into the playoffs this season, and then next offseason he'd complete his 3 year plan and address the forward situation. He's not done yet.

That's why I think for the last 2 years the org has been paying lip service, saying that they believe they will make the playoffs, but I don't think they 100% believed it.
We've had much more than two years of lip service (sorry, couldn't resist). But, there is a point to what you are saying.

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11-09-2008, 04:19 PM
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There was a 5 year plan when Dudley was here. Then Cohen scrapped it when things weren't progressing the way he (and the fanbase) wanted. Who's to say we're not in for the same result here?

And, yes, we're impatient...and rightfully so. JM sold us a bill of goods that our young forwards were ready to step up and collectively replace the loss of Jokinen. He labeled Olli and Stumpel the cancers that were killing the morale and cohesiveness of the team. Once removed, DeBoer would be able to mold these remaining guys into a hard-working, competitive unit. Playoffs were a hope, but at the very least we would witness a new attitude...a more exciting game.

With the exception of a couple games, that didn't happen. Here we are, regressing once again. Who's the next scapegoat to blame? Horton? Bouwmeester? Injuries?

To make matter worse, the Amerks affiliate is an unmitigated disaster. There is a dearth of veteran leadership to help along the progression of our fragile prospect pool. At this juncture, they're at least hand-in-hand with the parent club's utter disarray. Not looking good future-wise...hell, even demoting a player down to regain confidence is going to be a monumental task in and of itself.

Is DeBoer too scared to light the proverbial match? Has he held back what he really wants to say to this team? If so, why? He should have carte blanche to push these guys at all costs...for God's sake, Bruce friggin Boudreau had no fear demanding the best from the Caps disaster he inherited. Pete just has to take the reins here and ride these underperformers into oblivion and back. No more of this "Mr. Nice Guy" nonsense.

Apathy. It runs throughout this entire organization. It's bred from the inside out. It's rewarded. And, here we sit, year after year, watching the wheels fall off the bus every time...getting spoonfed excuse after excuse. Like it or not, this isn't going to magically get better. A trade might make some noise, but in the end, the losing attitude here is systemic.

If we're going to make changes, let's just do it for one last, final time. No more pussiefooting around and tinkering here and there.

Horton has been a streaky, lazy player for most of his tenure here. I'm not convinced he'll ever change. Let's move him while he still has relatively strong value.

Jay has said he won't commit unless we produce a winner...or when he perceives we can be a winner...no need to remain beholden to his whims. Move him, too, before he starts a mutiny behind the scenes.

Face the reality that Olesz will likely never be a reliable scoring option. Bring in someone who can, and let Olesz blossom into the topnotch defensive specialist he's shown signs he can be.

Don't expect Weiss to ever be anything more than a second line centerman. He has great vision & leadership skills, but isn't healthy or talented enough to run a 1st line.

Move whatever you can of Zednik, Peltonen, McLean, and Dvorak. Replace them with cheaper options.

God, I need a drink.

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11-09-2008, 04:28 PM
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There was a 5 year plan when Dudley was here. Then Cohen scrapped it when things weren't progressing the way he (and the fanbase) wanted. Who's to say we're not in for the same result here?

And, yes, we're impatient...and rightfully so. JM sold us a bill of goods that our young forwards were ready to step up and collectively replace the loss of Jokinen. He labeled Olli and Stumpel the cancers that were killing the morale and cohesiveness of the team. Once removed, DeBoer would be able to mold these remaining guys into a hard-working, competitive unit. Playoffs were a hope, but at the very least we would witness a new attitude...a more exciting game.

With the exception of a couple games, that didn't happen. Here we are, regressing once again. Who's the next scapegoat to blame? Horton? Bouwmeester? Injuries?

To make matter worse, the Amerks affiliate is an unmitigated disaster. There is a dearth of veteran leadership to help along the progression of our fragile prospect pool. At this juncture, they're at least hand-in-hand with the parent club's utter disarray. Not looking good future-wise...hell, even demoting a player down to regain confidence is going to be a monumental task in and of itself.

Is DeBoer too scared to light the proverbial match? Has he held back what he really wants to say to this team? If so, why? He should have carte blanche to push these guys at all costs...for God's sake, Bruce friggin Boudreau had no fear demanding the best from the Caps disaster he inherited. Pete just has to take the reins here and ride these underperformers into oblivion and back. No more of this "Mr. Nice Guy" nonsense.

Apathy. It runs throughout this entire organization. It's bred from the inside out. It's rewarded. And, here we sit, year after year, watching the wheels fall off the bus every time...getting spoonfed excuse after excuse. Like it or not, this isn't going to magically get better. A trade might make some noise, but in the end, the losing attitude here is systemic.

If we're going to make changes, let's just do it for one last, final time. No more pussiefooting around and tinkering here and there.

Horton has been a streaky, lazy player for most of his tenure here. I'm not convinced he'll ever change. Let's move him while he still has relatively strong value.

Jay has said he won't commit unless we produce a winner...or when he perceives we can be a winner...no need to remain beholden to his whims. Move him, too, before he starts a mutiny behind the scenes.

Face the reality that Olesz will likely never be a reliable scoring option. Bring in someone who can, and let Olesz blossom into the topnotch defensive specialist he's shown signs he can be.

Don't expect Weiss to ever be anything more than a second line centerman. He has great vision & leadership skills, but isn't healthy or talented enough to run a 1st line.

Move whatever you can of Zednik, Peltonen, McLean, and Dvorak. Replace them with cheaper options.

God, I need a drink.

Bravo, Bravo.. excellent post ratman.. and pretty much agree with everything you say.

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Who's content with losing...?
To me, it looks like the organization as a whole is, which is filtering down to the players.

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Plan to build from the net out...
Step 1 - Get goaltending squared...
Step 2 - Get NHL level Defense
Step 3 - Get Forwards that can score at the NHL level.

We're barely in step 3 in JM's tenure as GM.

Playoff are still possible, but anyone that thought we'd be a cup contender with these forwards need a dose of reality.

I'm not willing to turn in my season seats yet. This painful period wil pass.

We're not building a playoff team, we're trying to build a cup team.

They still are, they just aren't done yet.

We all knew that this off-season. We shouldn't be surprised with our inability to score.

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Plan to build from the net out...
Step 1 - Get goaltending squared...
Step 2 - Get NHL level Defense
Step 3 - Get Forwards that can score at the NHL level.

We're barely in step 3 in JM's tenure as GM.

Playoff are still possible, but anyone that thought we'd be a cup contender with these forwards need a dose of reality.

I'm not willing to turn in my season seats yet. This painful period wil pass.

We're not building a playoff team, we're trying to build a cup team.

They still are, they just aren't done yet.

We all knew that this off-season. We shouldn't be surprised with our inability to score.

The problem with a one at a time plan such as this is that by the time a team gets into step 3, steps 1 and 2 have already become pretty jaded and start running for the hills... see Roberto um what's his face...

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Plan to build from the net out...
Step 1 - Get goaltending squared...
Step 2 - Get NHL level Defense
Step 3 - Get Forwards that can score at the NHL level.

We're barely in step 3 in JM's tenure as GM.

Playoff are still possible, but anyone that thought we'd be a cup contender with these forwards need a dose of reality.

I'm not willing to turn in my season seats yet. This painful period wil pass.

We're not building a playoff team, we're trying to build a cup team.

They still are, they just aren't done yet.

We all knew that this off-season. We shouldn't be surprised with our inability to score.

Who said anything about a Cup contender?

"Playoffs are still possible?" Um, not with this sorry lot. Unless, of course, the Canes, Caps and Lightning all suddenly start playing like ****, allowing us to back our way in somehow. Even the Thrashers are ahead of us in the standings.

Once Jay is gone, Step 2 will likely need to be addressed again next offseason. I'm not holding my breath expecting a sudden miraculous influx of offensive depth to fall into our laps next year.

Hell, I'm not even looking for a playoff-bound team this year. We're in the SE cellar with no light at the end of the tunnel, continuing to foster the patented Panthers losing mentality. That's more likely what's got everyone so pissed off at the moment.

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The problem with a one at a time plan such as this is that by the time a team gets into step 3, steps 1 and 2 have already become pretty jaded and start running for the hills... see Roberto um what's his face...
I totally agree with this sentiment.

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Well, to be frank, all our troubles go back to the early-to-mid 2000s. I refer to four trades in particular:

1. Pavel Bure to Rangers (for, if I recall correctly, Ulanov and Krajicek)
2. Kozlov to Devils (for Uchevatov and Berglund)
3. Huselius to Flames (for Montador and maybe a prospect)
4. Hagman to Stars (for, if I'm not mistaken, Bagnall (?))
5. Whitney to Blue Jackets (for K. Adams)

I won't bother mentioning the Luongo trade. That was an incredible setback. But, really, when was the last time that we made a really good trade? I mean a really good trade? I'd have to say it was the V. Bure for Van Ryn deal (considering we got Bure back).

This is what happens when you let your best players, essentially, walk. We had some great talent; we just didn't get adequate return (or waited for the wrong moment to search for that return).

Let's be honest here. What would our offensive lines be now (had we had proper management)?

Stillman - Horton - Huselius
Booth - Weiss - Whitney
Hagman - Kozlov - Olesz
Dvorak - Campbell - Zednik

I'd say the above team is a playoff contender; I wouldn't expect it to go very far in the playoffs, but it certainly would be an upgrade over our existing lineup. And, let's not forget, this lineup would not even include any (proper) return we would have gotten in the P. Bure deal.

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This team is not as far off as some think. We have the goaltending, we have the defense, and the only thing we really need is to tweak the forwards somewhat. Trading Bouwmeester for a scoring forward should help to a degree, but that takes away from one of our strengths.

As the Madhat said, we are barely into step three of what we seem to think is Martin's plan. We will have some money next offseason to add a forward, maybe even more if/when Bouw is traded. I think that as much as this team needs some talent up front, we need to change the psyche of this team. They have had the taste of failure in their mouths for so long, even filet mignon will taste like a $5 steak. This team needs to instill a different attitude, and unfortunately, no one seems to have an answer on how to do this.

What also needs to change as much as anything else is the way this team's conditioning is managed. Some injuries are part of the game, but we have to look into this injury problem we have. There has to be something wrong with this situation, especially when we are one of the most injured teams every single season.

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Well, to be frank, all our troubles go back to the early-to-mid 2000s. I refer to four trades in particular:

1. Pavel Bure to Rangers (for, if I recall correctly, Ulanov and Krajicek)
2. Kozlov to Devils (for Uchevatov and Berglund)
3. Huselius to Flames (for Montador and maybe a prospect)
4. Hagman to Stars (for, if I'm not mistaken, Bagnall (?))
5. Whitney to Blue Jackets (for K. Adams)

I won't bother mentioning the Luongo trade. That was an incredible setback. But, really, when was the last time that we made a really good trade? I mean a really good trade? I'd have to say it was the V. Bure for Van Ryn deal (considering we got Bure back).

This is what happens when you let your best players, essentially, walk. We had some great talent; we just didn't get adequate return (or waited for the wrong moment to search for that return).

Let's be honest here. What would our offensive lines be now (had we had proper management)?

Stillman - Horton - Huselius
Booth - Weiss - Whitney
Hagman - Kozlov - Olesz
Dvorak - Campbell - Zednik

I'd say the above team is a playoff contender; I wouldn't expect it to go very far in the playoffs, but it certainly would be an upgrade over our existing lineup. And, let's not forget, this lineup would not even include any (proper) return we would have gotten in the P. Bure deal.


We would be over the cap by $10 million if we added Whitney, Huselius and Hagman.

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We would be over the cap by $10 million if we added Whitney, Huselius and Hagman.
Well, even if we just added one of those, we'd be in a better position.

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Well, to be frank, all our troubles go back to the early-to-mid 2000s. I refer to four trades in particular:

1. Pavel Bure to Rangers (for, if I recall correctly, Ulanov and Krajicek)
2. Kozlov to Devils (for Uchevatov and Berglund)
3. Huselius to Flames (for Montador and maybe a prospect)
4. Hagman to Stars (for, if I'm not mistaken, Bagnall (?))
5. Whitney to Blue Jackets (for K. Adams)

I won't bother mentioning the Luongo trade. That was an incredible setback. But, really, when was the last time that we made a really good trade? I mean a really good trade? I'd have to say it was the V. Bure for Van Ryn deal (considering we got Bure back).

This is what happens when you let your best players, essentially, walk. We had some great talent; we just didn't get adequate return (or waited for the wrong moment to search for that return).

Let's be honest here. What would our offensive lines be now (had we had proper management)?

Stillman - Horton - Huselius
Booth - Weiss - Whitney
Hagman - Kozlov - Olesz
Dvorak - Campbell - Zednik

I'd say the above team is a playoff contender; I wouldn't expect it to go very far in the playoffs, but it certainly would be an upgrade over our existing lineup. And, let's not forget, this lineup would not even include any (proper) return we would have gotten in the P. Bure deal.
Bure was for Ulanov, Novak and a 1st. I can't remember who the first ended up being...Novak was identical to Krajicek - smaller offensive d-man that we ended up trading as we did with most of our farm system players back then!

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I can't remember who the first ended up being...
The great Petr Taticek.

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The great Petr Taticek.
Why am I not surprised. How I wish we had drafted Hemsky and Staal.

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I think you begin fixing whats wrong with the Panthers by trading Jay Bouwmeester. He won't re-sign next summer and he should be able to get a couple players and a draft pick or two in return.

Bouwmeester to the Rangers for Michal Rozsival, Michael Del Zotto and Evgeny Grachev.

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With Ballard, McCabe, Allen, Welch and soon enough Ellerby, the defense can survive without JayBo. It wont be the exact same but that may be what is needed. I wouldnt suggest trading anyone but Bouw, Zednik, Dvorak, McLean, Skrastins, & Boynton at the trade deadline. Other guys could be traded in the offseason (near the draft). That would make it appear as less of a firesale as much as the necessary changes to improve the team.

Two guys that I would consider for the job to rebuild the team from scratch: Mark Howe, director of pro scouting for the Red Wings or Hakan Andersson, director of European scouting for the Red Wings. I'd pick Howe even though Andersson deserves credit for finding most of the recent picks of their core guys (Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Franzen, Flippula, Holmstrom).

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There was a 5 year plan when Dudley was here. Then Cohen scrapped it when things weren't progressing the way he (and the fanbase) wanted. Who's to say we're not in for the same result here?

And, yes, we're impatient...and rightfully so. JM sold us a bill of goods that our young forwards were ready to step up and collectively replace the loss of Jokinen. He labeled Olli and Stumpel the cancers that were killing the morale and cohesiveness of the team. Once removed, DeBoer would be able to mold these remaining guys into a hard-working, competitive unit. Playoffs were a hope, but at the very least we would witness a new attitude...a more exciting game.

With the exception of a couple games, that didn't happen. Here we are, regressing once again. Who's the next scapegoat to blame? Horton? Bouwmeester? Injuries?

To make matter worse, the Amerks affiliate is an unmitigated disaster. There is a dearth of veteran leadership to help along the progression of our fragile prospect pool. At this juncture, they're at least hand-in-hand with the parent club's utter disarray. Not looking good future-wise...hell, even demoting a player down to regain confidence is going to be a monumental task in and of itself.

Is DeBoer too scared to light the proverbial match? Has he held back what he really wants to say to this team? If so, why? He should have carte blanche to push these guys at all costs...for God's sake, Bruce friggin Boudreau had no fear demanding the best from the Caps disaster he inherited. Pete just has to take the reins here and ride these underperformers into oblivion and back. No more of this "Mr. Nice Guy" nonsense.

Apathy. It runs throughout this entire organization. It's bred from the inside out. It's rewarded. And, here we sit, year after year, watching the wheels fall off the bus every time...getting spoonfed excuse after excuse. Like it or not, this isn't going to magically get better. A trade might make some noise, but in the end, the losing attitude here is systemic.

If we're going to make changes, let's just do it for one last, final time. No more pussiefooting around and tinkering here and there.

Horton has been a streaky, lazy player for most of his tenure here. I'm not convinced he'll ever change. Let's move him while he still has relatively strong value.

Jay has said he won't commit unless we produce a winner...or when he perceives we can be a winner...no need to remain beholden to his whims. Move him, too, before he starts a mutiny behind the scenes.

Face the reality that Olesz will likely never be a reliable scoring option. Bring in someone who can, and let Olesz blossom into the topnotch defensive specialist he's shown signs he can be.

Don't expect Weiss to ever be anything more than a second line centerman. He has great vision & leadership skills, but isn't healthy or talented enough to run a 1st line.

Move whatever you can of Zednik, Peltonen, McLean, and Dvorak. Replace them with cheaper options.

God, I need a drink.
As Odysseus did in the Odyssey, carrying an Oar over his shoulder across the lands until finding someone who doesn't know what it is to placate Poseidon, the Sea God who he offended, Cohen needs to shoulder a hockey stick until he finds a similar hockey ignorant fellow because he has obviously offended THE HOCKEY GOD . As a bonus he can appoint the guy the next Panther GM, he couldn't do any worse than his predecessors.

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first off we need to get some legitimate hard nosed big 3rd and 4th liners who can handle the other 3rd and 4th lines. then we need some scoring from the 1st two lines. i'm really disappointed in horton, zeds, peltonen, mclean, belak and bouw. stewart looked good the other night. frolik needs to be sent down to get more experience and deboer needs to unfortunately adapt his sytem to the lazy, unmotivated group of players we have, or somehow get rid of them. some of that list is above!!!

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With Ballard, McCabe, Allen, Welch and soon enough Ellerby, the defense can survive without JayBo. It wont be the exact same but that may be what is needed. I wouldnt suggest trading anyone but Bouw, Zednik, Dvorak, McLean, Skrastins, & Boynton at the trade deadline. Other guys could be traded in the offseason (near the draft). That would make it appear as less of a firesale as much as the necessary changes to improve the team.

Two guys that I would consider for the job to rebuild the team from scratch: Mark Howe, director of pro scouting for the Red Wings or Hakan Andersson, director of European scouting for the Red Wings. I'd pick Howe even though Andersson deserves credit for finding most of the recent picks of their core guys (Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Franzen, Flippula, Holmstrom).
We need to bring in a nr. 4 d-man to play with McCabe. I don't know who is available next summer as UFA, but I'm sure there is someone fitting. If not, keep Skrastins or Boynton, whichever is better during the season.

Our scouting definately needs to be changed. This issue is in the heart of my thinking - our player development necessarily hasn't been that bad, but our drafting sure has. The guys you mention above, would they settle for Director of Scouting -type of job description, or do we need to offer a GM job to get them?

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We need to bring in a nr. 4 d-man to play with McCabe. I don't know who is available next summer as UFA, but I'm sure there is someone fitting. If not, keep Skrastins or Boynton, whichever is better during the season.

Our scouting definately needs to be changed. This issue is in the heart of my thinking - our player development necessarily hasn't been that bad, but our drafting sure has. The guys you mention above, would they settle for Director of Scouting -type of job description, or do we need to offer a GM job to get them?
Here's the list of guys that are slated to become UFA's on defense next summer...not much to choose from to be honest:

http://www.nhlnumbers.com/freeagents...009&status=ufa

I doubt that either of those guys would take a lateral move basically so yes I think they'd need a GM job to get them. Heck, if the problem is Martin, Cohen can just promote him to some high level desk job where he doesnt get to make any player personnel decisions.

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Here's the list of guys that are slated to become UFA's on defense next summer...not much to choose from to be honest:

http://www.nhlnumbers.com/freeagents...009&status=ufa

I doubt that either of those guys would take a lateral move basically so yes I think they'd need a GM job to get them. Heck, if the problem is Martin, Cohen can just promote him to some high level desk job where he doesnt get to make any player personnel decisions.
From that list I would realistically go for Öhlund, but I don't know about his situation in Van. Skrastins would be fine with a reasonable pay-cut. We can't rely on Welch.

GM job is a tough call. Scouts - easy one. Can't believe Luce still is able to hang onto his job.

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