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Phoenix CXIII: Astrobucks, Omnishambles, and Other Catchy Words

Last thread: http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh....php?t=2032561

Latest: Arena "Announcement" in 6 weeks, or thereabouts

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Too lazy to find the point in the video where he says it, but I was there as well, and the word LeBlanc used was 'Astrobucks' (to renovate AVMC). Some of you should be able to have fun with that...
I found it for you DOM (48 min mark). Was the inspiration for this thread title.



OK, I was triggered at Omnishambles ...

In the beginning ... the first Phoenix fiasco thread!!! (?)
03-04-2007 Coyotes to lose 30M?

12-08-2008 Hockey in The Desert (Phoenix franchise and finance/business matters)
02-04-2009 Hockey in the Desert II (Phoenix Coyotes franchise and business matters)

Fresh from Al Capone's Geraldo Rivera's Evil Doctor's Vault - The Lost Thread:
04-28-2009 The Arizona Republic: NHL loan keeps Coyotes operating

05-05-2009 Balsillie puts in $212.5 mil offer for the Coyotes
05-07-2009 Balsillie/Phoenix part II
05-18-2009 Balsillie/Phoenix part III
05-22-2009 Balsillie/Phoenix part IV
06-03-2009 Balsillie/Phoenix part V
06-09-2009 Balsillie/Phoenix Part VI
06-12-2009 Balsillie/Phoenix Part VII: I'm just waitin' on a judge
06-16-2009 Balsillie/Phoenix Part VIII: It's dead, Jim
06-24-2009 Balsillie/Phoenix Part IX: 'Dorf on Hockey
07-25-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy/ownership Part X: The Truth? You Can't Handle The Truth!
08-03-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy/ownership Part XI: A Fistful of Dollars?
08-07-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy/ownership Part XII: For a Few Dollars More
08-12-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy/ownership Part XIII: The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly
08-21-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy/ownership Part XIV: The Wrath of Baum
08-27-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy/ownership Part XV - SITREP: SNAFU
09-02-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy/ownership Part XVI: Barbarian at the Gate
09-08-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy/ownership Part XVII: Wake Me Up When September Ends
09-10-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy/ownership Part XVIII: Is that a pale horse in the distance?
09-12-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy Part XIX: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Baum
09-21-2009 Phoenix Bankruptcy Part XX: There Will Be Baum
09-28-2009 Phoenix Bankruptcy Part XXI: 2009 -- A Sports Odyssey
10-26-2009 Phoenix Bankruptcy Part XXII: Long and winding road

11-24-2009 Keeping up with potential owners for NHL Phoenix Coyotes (UPD: Ice Edge signs LOI)
03-14-2010 Part II. Potential owners of NHL's Phoenix Coyotes
03-26-2010 Part III. Prospective Owners - Phoenix Coyotes (UPD Lease vote 4/13; IEH signs MOU)
04-10-2010 Part IV Phoenix Coyotes post bankrtuptcy; UPD COG approves Reinsdorf MOU, not IEH MOU
05-02-2010 Part V Phoenix Coyotes post bankruptcy UPD Reinsdorf out? IEH back in? else Winnipeg?
05-11-2010 Part VI Phoenix Coyotes post bankruptcy
05-23-2010 Part VII Phoenix Coyotes post bankrtuptcy
06-07-2010 Part VIII: Phoenix Coyotes Post-bankrtuptcy
06-22-2010 Part IX: Phoenix Coyotes Post-bankruptcy UPD: Pres Moss fired 6/30 with IEH input
07-26-2010 Part X: Phoenix Coyotes - Between Scylla and Charybdis
08-27-2010 Part XI: Phoenix Coyotes -- Greetings, Starfighter, You have been selected ...
09-16-2010 Part XII: Phx Coyotes - Still haven't found what I'm looking for
10-12-2010 Part XIII: Phoenix Coyotes - The Final Cut?
10-27-2010 Part XIV: Phoenix Coyotes - To Infinity And Beyond....
12-05-2010 Part XV: Phoenix - the battle of evermore
12-14-2010 Part XVI: Phoenix -- Money for Nothing
12-20-2010 Part XVII: Phoenix -- Thread Title Available For Lease
01-09-2011 Part XVIII: Phoenix -- Imminence Front
01-24-2011 Phoenix XIXth: Nervous Breakdown
02-02-2011 Phoenix XX: Two weeks
02-11-2011 Phoenix XXI: When will then be now?
02-22-2011 Phoenix XXII: It's Now or Never
02-28-2011 Phoenix XXIII - Bond: The Phoenix Project
03-03-2011 Phoenix XXIV: How many twists does the scriptwriter have left?
03-07-2011 Phoenix XXV: Anyone in the theatre seen a pale horse?
03-08-2011 Phoenix XXVI: Pain in the AZ
03-11-2011 Phoenix XXVII: Can we all get along?
03-16-2011 Phoenix XXVIII: Lawyers, Bonds and Money
03-20-2011 Phoenix XXIX: What's the next act? I'm tired of the dog & pony show
03-22-2011 Phoenix Part XXX Hulz, you gotta get a gimmick if you want to get ahead
03-27-2011 Phoenix Part XXXI: I feel I'm in a time loop
04-05-2011 Phoenix Part XXXII: Bridge over Troubled Goldwater
04-14-2011 Phoenix XXXIII: Sound of Silence
04-20-2011 Phoenix XXXIV: Project Mayhem
04-25-2011 Phoenix XXXV: Several Species of Small Furry Animals Gathered Together in a Cave...
05-03-2011 Phoenix XXXVI - There's got to be a morning after
05-10-2011 Phoenix XXXVII - The Heat is On

Followed by the Interregnum between Kings Phoenix the XXXVII-th and Phoenix the XXXVIII-th:

[PYTHON]
The most interesting thing about King Charles, the first
Is that he was 5 foot 6 inches tall at the start of his reign
But only 4 foot 8 inches tall at the end of it because of
Oliver Cromwell, Lord Protector of England Puritan
Born in 1599 and died in 1658 September
[/PYTHON]

06-09-2011 ESPN's Burnside: Hulsizer submitted new deal; COG city manager dragging it out
06-20-2011 Coyotes related: Westgate faces foreclosure
06-21-2011 Phoenix, worst case scenario

Finally, the realm was restored ...

06-27-2011 Phoenix XXXVIII: Hulsizer Pulls Bid For Coyotes
08-16-2011 Phoenix XXXIX: You Never Give Me Your Money
10-18-2011 Phoenix XL: Rich Man's World
12-07-2011 Phoenix XLI: Bongo Fury
01-06-2012 Phoenix XLII: The Answer to the Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe and Everything
02-02-2012 Phoenix XLIII: How to Bake Cupcakes in Less Than Two Weeks
02-28-2012 Phoenix XLIV: Ignorance & Apathy (or I Doan't know & I Doan't Care)
03-28-2012 Phoenix XLV: You can't YANDLE the truth!
04-11-2012 Phoenix XLVI: (Tre)living on a prayer
04-21-2012 Phoenix XLVII: More Threads than Superbowls
05-01-2012 Phoenix XLVIII: Of Mice and Lieberman
05-08-2012 Phoenix XLIX: Smoke & Mirrors
05-21-2012 Phoenix L: AllByDesign?
05-30-2012 Phoenix LI: es, Damn Lies, and Arena Management Fees
06-06-2012 Phoenix LII: Goodnight, Sweet Lieberman
06-08-2012 Phoenix LIII: How the GWInch Stole Phoenix
06-12-2012 Phoenix LIV:E and Let Die
06-19-2012 Phoenix LV: is Has Left the Building
06-26-2012 Phoenix LVI: s is Still Dead (or Maybe Working at a 7-11 in Glendale)
07-04-2012 Phoenix LVII (or MDCCLXXVI): Declarations of (In)Dependence
07-13-2012 Phoenix LVIII; Will jobbing get jobbed?
07-30-2012 Phoenix LIX: The JIG is up?
08-18-2012 Phoenix LX: Pinocchio's Furniture
09-07-2012 Phoenix LXI; We agreed to pay HOW MUCH‽
09-26-2012 Phoenix LXII: Abandon Hope all Ye Who Enter Here
10-16-2012 Phoenix LXIII: Have Become, Comfortably Numb;
11-06-2012 Phoenix LXIV: Will You Still Need Me, Will You Still Read Me, on Thread LXIV?
11-21-2012 Phoenx LXV: The word is... give me a minute.... "Omnishambles"... "Omnishambles"
11-27-2012 Phoenix LXVI: Get Your Kicks On Thread LXVI
12-18-2012 Phoenix LXVII: Route66 - Aftermath
01-15-2013 Phoenix LXVIII - "Watch out for that Tree"
01-25-2013 Phoenix LXIX: Thread of LXIX
01-30-2013 Phoenix LXX: Should they stay or should they go now?
02-01-2013 Phoenix LXXI: Daydream Belever
02-12-2013 Phoenix LXXII: Send in the Clowns
03-14-2013 Phoenix LXXIII: "This Space Available"
04-04-2013 Phoenix LXXIV: Be Seeing You
04-22-2013 Phoenix LXXV: It's Like Deja Vu All Over Again
05-02-3013 Phoenix LXXVI: Renaissance Men
05-13-2013 Phoenix LXXVII: Tired of Waiting For You
05-19-2013 Phoenix LXXVIII: Know When To Hold 'Em, Know When To Fold 'Em
05-25-2013 Phoenix LXXIX: This is The End, We Hope Not
05-29-2013 Phoenix LXXX: Is there another way out?
06-01-2013 Phoenix LXXXI: I'll Gladly Pay You Tuesday for Your Franchise Today!
06-08-2013 Phoenix LXXXII: "Waive Reading Beyond the Title"
06-12-2013 Phoenix LXXXIII: "Stuff's Gonna Happen"
06-14-2013 Phoenix LXXXIV: Planespotting Edition
06-16-2013 Phoenix LXXXV: A Bridge to Nowhere
06-20-2013 Phoenix LXXXVI: There's Always Money in the Banana Stand
06-24-2013 Phoenix LXXXVII: Hotel Arizona
06-26-2013 Phoenix LXXXVIII: The Final Cupcake?
06-28-2013 Phoenix LXXXIX: If you don't approve it, we must move it!
06-29-2013 Phoenix XC: Down to the Weiers
07-02-2013 Phoenix XCI: Never Gonna Give You Up
07-02-2013 Phoenix XCII: Movie Night In Glendale
07-02-2013 Phoenix XCIII: Vote for the Yote to Keep them Afloat, or That's all She Wrote!
07-02-2013 Phoenix XCIV: The team, the dream, the scheme
07-02-2013 Phoenix XCV: We Trust Gary Bettman
07-02-2013 Phoenix XCVI: The Government You Deserve ...
07-06-2013 Phoenix XCVII: Forget it, Jake. It's Glendale
07-19-2013 Phoenix XCVIII: 5tayin' Alive
08-05-2013 Phoenix XCIX: "I Got 99 Problems, But A Lease Ain’t One”
06-09-2015 Phoenix C: The F A.R.S Awakens
06-10-2015 Phoenix CI: TeA.R.S. for FeA.R.S.
06-12-2015 Phoenix CII: Oh, the pain the pain
06-17-2015 Phoenix CIII: Sue Me, Sue You Blues
06-21-2015 Phoenix CIV: May be time to put the band back together ...
06-29-2015 Phoenix CV: CoG went full-on haboob, man. Never go full-on haboob.
07-12-2015 Phoenix CVI: It's good to talk these things out
07-23-2015 Phoenix CVII: Can yet the lease of my true love control
09-03-2015 Phoenix CVIII: Audits and Losses and RFPs! Oh My!
10-21-2015 C IX Run, Run IX Run
12-12-2015 Phoenix CX: Le Hugh, LeBlanc, et La Ruse
01-22-2016 Phoenix CXI: Awaiting CoG arena manager decision [UPD: AEG new Arena Manager?]
02-19-2016 Phoenix CXII: The Devil is in the Details
03-30-2016 Phoenix CXIII: Astrobucks, Omnishambles, and Other Catchy Words

A couple whole bunch of Phoenix uThreads have popped up in the wake of the "To close, or not to close" mega-thread discussion:

03-16-2012 COG to spend more on Coyotes than public safety?
03-22-2012 Dreger (3/22): NHL to investigate "plan b" for Phoenix
03-23-2012 Sunnicks strikes again "will they stay or will they go now?"
03-28-2012 G&M: Architects of Glendale pro sports disaster won't be around for fallout
03-30-2012 Shoalts: Ice Edge talking about bringing (minor) hockey to the Job should Yotes leave
04-04-2012 Shoalts: Glendale Mayor Scruggs wants city's $$ back
04-05-2012 Coyotes CEO 'confident' team is staying in Glendale
04-05-2012 Puck Daddy: Coyotes battline relocation worries with public optimism
04-06-2012 A strong PHX team in the playoffs may bring a new owner.
04-10-2012 Father of PHX AGM Brad Treliving involved in keeping Coyotes in Glendale?
04-10-2012 PKP offer for Coyotes may be 230 million (mod: to QC w/relo $$)
04-10-2012 Beasley: Coyotes deal within a month
04-11-2012 Glendale, NHL trying to close Phoenix Coyotes deal with Jamison group
04-11-2012 Bettman: no timeline on Phoenix situation (AP)
04-13-2012 Adding up the Numbers in the Phoenix Jamison Bid
04-16-2012 COG's Lieberman calls for demonstration against Coyote deal
04-17-2012 COG - budget payment to Jamison group not to exceed $20m?
04-17-2012 GWI ready to scrutinize new deal
04-18-2012 Coyotes sale soon, five things to watch
04-21-2012 Jamison looking for more investors on Coyotes bid, could be 1-2 months away from deal
04-21-2012 Greg Jamison finally goes public with potential purchase of the Coyotes
04-24-2012 Glendale Busts its Budget; Pledges More Money for Yotes
04-27-2012 Coyotes working to convert bandwagon fans to full time fans
04-28-2-12 4/28: Coyote sale deal getting closer
04-30-2012 Phoenix Coyotes sale finalized May 8th? Hulsizer back in?
05-03-2012 Phoenix CEO/Pres Nealy - something could happen next week
05-04-2012 Feschuk: Phoenix Coyotes doing just fine, thanks
05-04-2012 If the yotes make the finals
05-04-2012 Former Coyotes owner Jerry Moyes assails NHL over Coyotes’ operations
05-07-2012 NHL to announce tentative deal re: sale to Jamison
05-08-2012 Sportsnet: COG promising $306mm over next 21 years
05-08-2012 Wall Street Journal: 'Glendale's Public Hockey Project' = Loss
05-17-2012 Phoenix saga: 5/22 end date
05-17-2012 Jamison signing preliminary sales docs with NHL 5/17 or 5/18
05-21-2012 Goldwater Inst. ready to sue Glendale over arena management deal
05-23-2012 COG council approves preliminary budget with $17m payment for arena management
05-25-2012 Preliminary draft of lease agreement for Jobing.com in hands of COG board
06-04-2012 Phoenix lease details
06-05-2012 Bettmans plan may unravel in Phoenix (vote coming 6/8)
06-06-2012 The angst of Phoenix -- from three major league teams to one (that use city name)
06-06-2012 Forbes: Jamison having trouble raising funds
06-07-2012 GWI letter to Glendale Mayor and Coucilmembers
06-07-2012 Arizona Free Enterprise Club opposes COG deal
06-07-2012 Goldwater Institute Files for Restraining Order
06-11-2012 Coyote name change on hold?
06-13-2012 13 June, Goldwater files suit
06-14-2012 Halverstadt on NHL Home Ice talking Coyotes
06-14-2012 Coyotes deadline "now"? NHL schedule releasing soon
06-15-2012 PBJ: CoG says they'll withstand GWI legal challenge
06-15-2012 AFEC considering ballot (referendum) and COG concil recall
06-18-2012 Phoenix Coyotes, NHL looking for legal counsel to represent team, arena
06-19-2012 Coyotes deal not immediately effective - Referendum to follow?
06-26-2012 COG + GWI agreement on non-emergency status
06-28-2012 Jones/Cobb v Glendale (Coyotes Court Case)
07-04-2012 Coyotes PAC formed
07-04-2012 COG city council candidates voice opposition to Coyotes deal
07-05-2012 Shoalts 7/5 update on Coyotes situation
07-09-2012 Coyotes lease referendum petition not submitted by 7/9
07-11-2012 Glendale rejects group's attempt to overturn sales-tax increase
07-12-2012 PBJ: Jamison group has funding for purchase of Coyotes
07-16-2012 2 COG referendum proponents gearing up for legal battle
07-26-2012 Jones & Cobb decide to NOT file lawsuit after their lease referendum rejected
07-26-2012 PBJ: 7/27 deadline for Coyotes sale?
07-28-2012 PBJ: 7/28: Jamison short $20mm?
07-31-2012 Glendale arena proposal scheduled to expire 7/31, extended another 31 days
08-01-2012 Mayoral candidates speaking out on Coyotes prospective owner
08-08-2012 PBJ: 8/8 Jamison group apparently now has the funds to buy Coyotes
08-10-2012 SBN's Five for Howling: Coyotes sale a done deal
08-16-2012 COG mayoral candidate: Rework proposed lease due to lockout
08-18-2012 CBA uncertainty delaying Coyotes sale?
08-24-2012 8/24: Appeals Court Orders Glendale Sales-Tax Measure to be put Back on Ballot
08-27-2012 8/27 COG extends lease (with NHL) again (pending sale to Jamison group)
08-29-2012 COG seeking change to negotiated proposed arena deal with Jamison
09-04-2012 ESPN Burnside has source that says Jamison's got funding, arena deal to be done
09-11-2012 PBJ: O’odham tribe now involved in Jamison's deal to buy team?
09-29-2012 Final details on Coyotes lease to be settled 10/3?
10-07-2012 Final vote on reworked Jobing.com lease coming 10/23?
10-08-2012 Deja vu, redux = COG talk about extending agreement with NHL another 30 days
11-01-2012 Dater: Phoenix reason for lockout
11-07-2012 Impact of Glendale election on fate of Phoenix Coyotes future
11-26-2012 COG to vote on revised lease 11/27
11-30-2012 Referendum starts process (against) Glendale arena deal with Jamison
12-21-2012 Jamison officially signs Jobing.com lease agreement
12-26-2012 Coyotes could break even, or even profit, if there are no games
12-27-2012 Shoalts: Jamison using US Green Cards to lure investors in Coyotes
01-06-2013 Sportsnet: Jamison group about to finalize Coyotes purchase
01-30-2013 Burnside, LeBrun: Sale of Coyotes to Jamison in Question
01-31-2012 NHL no longer denying relocation a possibility for the Coyotes?
02-01-2013 USA Today's Allen: NHL must continue committment to Phoenix
02-02-2013 Phoenix - Glendale vs Scottsdale
02-08-2013 Grant Woods leading (new) ownership group to (try to) buy Coyotes
02-12-2013 Hulsizer back to looking at buying Coyotes?
03-28-2013 Report: NHL may soon consider relocation for Coyotes; Ice Edge back in picture?
03-29-2013 Bettman: Hey COG, expect something in about a week
04-07-2013 Bettman: Interest in Phoenix franchise "higher than ever"
05-06-2013 Arizona Republic: True cost of running Jobing.com below what COG has paid
05-06-2013 COG Mayor: waiting on NHL to approve owner
05-11-2013 Californian Darin Pastor looking to finalize "premium" purchase of Coyotes
05-27-2013 5/28 NHL, COG, Renaissance meeting in Glendale
05-30-2013 Forbes: Phoenix Coyotes $170 Million Sale To Be Partially Funded By NHL
06-05-2013 4 firms submitted bids to run Jobing.com arena by deadline
06-12-2013 The Hockey News: Will the Coyotes move to Seattle this Summer?
06-13-2013 Glendale announces 4 bidders for Jobing.com management
06-14-2013 Yet another mystery buyer courting Glendale directly
06-15-2013 FSAZ/AP: Framework in place for new lease to keep Coyotes in Glendale
06-26-2013 Mystery Coyotes investor to partner with COG?
07-02-2013 Thread for Discussion of CoG/RSE Lease Agreement 7/2/13
08-05-2013 NHL: Sale of Coyotes is finalized
08-07-2013 SI: Coyotes not out of financial desert yet
08-07-2013 Report: Coyotes could host All-Star game soon

And, hey, why not, for completeness:

03-05-2010 NHL sues Jerry Moyes


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As much of a joke that this Coyotes arena thing is I still think they break ground before Seattle even gets done with their EIR on the SoDO arena.

Phoenix CXIII:Runaway Freight Train would have been a good title.

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Caution: Bickley Ahead...

Bickley: Stadium games threaten Valley mood

To quote:

"The Coyotes have one more year on their Glendale lease and need to relocate to the East Valley, where the team expects to add up to 4,000 spectators per game overnight."

Source: http://www.azcentral.com/story/sport...mood/82406000/
I looked up the numbers a few months ago the are drawing more this year than they did the last year they played in phoenix

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I looked up the numbers a few months ago the are drawing more this year than they did the last year they played in phoenix
Yeah, but don't mention that to anyone who lives in Tempe...

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Well now ya got me, I thought he was long gone. See I really don't follow this thread too closely. Check in once in a while. Remembered he bought in then I thought he got out. This is what happens when there is too much nonsense to wade through.
He bought in, scaled back, then scaled back up again. It's like a game of duck-duck-goose. So now the three power brokers in IA are Barroway, Leblanc, and Gary Drummond, with George Gosbee now relegated to silent partner.

A few weeks ago, Barroway showed up for a Coyotes game with his parents, who dropped the puck prior to the game. It was surreal and more than a little embarrassing to see the guy so obviously parade his toy for his folks, especially since he's largely an absentee owner otherwise.

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It's beginning...

OVERVIEW OF AEG FACILITIES' ARENA MANAGEMENT

City Council Workshop, April 5

And, there will be an Executive Session following the workshop, on the details...

Source: https://glendale-az.legistar.com/Vie...C-36B443489F92

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It's beginning...

OVERVIEW OF AEG FACILITIES' ARENA MANAGEMENT

City Council Workshop, April 5

And, there will be an Executive Session following the workshop, on the details...

Source: https://glendale-az.legistar.com/Vie...C-36B443489F92
it's funny ... if the team does stay in 16-17, i wonder if having an actual professional firm managing the arena might conceivably result in an increase in ticket sales for the hockey team.

said another way, i wonder how much of the poor sales these past couple years is not due to lack of interest in the product, but due instead to inexperienced clowns managing the venue and selling the actual tickets.

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Back to Coyote Morgan's claim that Bettman was in Phoenix the other day to threaten everyone to build us an arena or we are outta here. Have any of the victims commented on anything about the supposed meeting? or is it Top Secret ? Has there been any comment from anyone not on Coyote payroll to suggest that there was, in fact, a meeting?

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It's beginning...

OVERVIEW OF AEG FACILITIES' ARENA MANAGEMENT

City Council Workshop, April 5

And, there will be an Executive Session following the workshop, on the details...

Source: https://glendale-az.legistar.com/Vie...C-36B443489F92
My understanding is April 12 is a scheduled meeting where they could vote.

In also recall when it was reported that the city seleced AEG, the contract would be finalized within 60 days.

This will fall within that timeline. At least one is being met

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it's funny ... if the team does stay in 16-17, i wonder if having an actual professional firm managing the arena might conceivably result in an increase in ticket sales for the hockey team.

said another way, i wonder how much of the poor sales these past couple years is not due to lack of interest in the product, but due instead to inexperienced clowns managing the venue and selling the actual tickets.
Other than putting together some corporate ticket packages where you get tickets to X event and some Coyotes tickets, what else could really be done?

I'm optimistic, but there has to be a little more interest developed by the team itself to have a real effect, wouldn't there?

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Back to Coyote Morgan's claim that Bettman was in Phoenix the other day to threaten everyone to build us an arena or we are outta here. Have any of the victims commented on anything about the supposed meeting? or is it Top Secret ? Has there been any comment from anyone not on Coyote payroll to suggest that there was, in fact, a meeting?
Please show us where in Morgan's article that Bettman threatened anyone.

BTW... Morgan is not on the Coyotes' payroll.



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Please show us where in Morgan's article that Bettman threatened anyone.

BTW... Morgan is not on the Coyotes' payroll.


Of course he wouldn't say that Bettman threatened anyone.He is writing from a pro-Coyote viewpoint
Do you know of anyone on the builder side that acknowledged that there was a meeting?

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Of course he wouldn't say that Bettman threatened anyone.He is writing from a pro-Coyote viewpoint
Do you know of anyone on the builder side that acknowledged that there was a meeting?
If he didn't say it then why did you state it as a fact.???

All we know is Bettman met with LeBlanc, the mayor of Phoenix, some state officials and officials from ASU. That isn't being "pro-Coyote" or "anti-Coyote" or even non-descriptive Coyote is it??

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If he didn't say it then why did you state it as a fact.???

All we know is Bettman met with LeBlanc, the mayor of Phoenix, some state officials and officials from ASU. That isn't being "pro-Coyote" or "anti-Coyote" or even non-descriptive Coyote is it??
Not to be detailed, but do we really know that Bettman and LeBlanc actually met with the Phoenix mayor and state officials?

Casual Fan (who is admittedly distrustful of the entire situation there and the way it is covered) says that those are public officials with public calendars, and he hasn't found any such meetings.

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said another way, i wonder how much of the poor sales these past couple years is not due to lack of interest in the product, but due instead to inexperienced clowns managing the venue and selling the actual tickets.
I'll be interested to see what AEG does in terms of bringing in better concessions, Wi-Fi upgrades, etc. that LeBlanc says are no longer his responsibility.

If AEG upgrades the amenities significantly, then there's no question that the arena will see more traffic. Wouldn't it be ironic if both Glendale and the hockey team see a better bottom line with AEG in charge?

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Not to be detailed, but do we really know that Bettman and LeBlanc actually met with the Phoenix mayor and state officials?

Casual Fan (who is admittedly distrustful of the entire situation there and the way it is covered) says that those are public officials with public calendars, and he hasn't found any such meetings.
Wasn't some of the backlash against Glendale the fact that they met out of session with IceEdge/IceArizona officials? Wouldn't meetings with other local government folks equate to the same jeopardy?

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If he didn't say it then why did you state it as a fact.???

All we know is Bettman met with LeBlanc, the mayor of Phoenix, some state officials and officials from ASU. That isn't being "pro-Coyote" or "anti-Coyote" or even non-descriptive Coyote is it??
I got why the Glendale saga didnt get much press in AZ but Phoenix is the main city with big newspaper/tv /radio stations and not a single reporter on the municipal beat asked the mayor about said meeting?

here they are houding the mayor 24/7 and he cant get out of city hall without having them following him

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If he didn't say it then why did you state it as a fact.???

All we know is Bettman met with LeBlanc, the mayor of Phoenix, some state officials and officials from ASU. That isn't being "pro-Coyote" or "anti-Coyote" or even non-descriptive Coyote is it??
I don't believe that Morgan said that they met with the mayor of Phoenix.On the Doug and Wolf show he said it was officials from Phoenix, someone from ASU and others that he was even more obscure about naming.Without naming anyone specifically he says sources say it went well. Seems to me that when Bettman arrives on the scene of arena negotiations in Arizona it is almost always some type of ultimatum. Glendale meetings are a classic example. If things are going well he would not show until the documents are ready to sign. Based on past performance this was to push the process along, probably using the same type of tactics that always worked on Glendale.
For the 3rd time..Has anyone on the building side confirmed that there was any meeting? or is this just coming from the Coyote side?

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I'm trying my darndest to keep an open mind, but this whole sequence of events seems so desperate, farcical and futile that I can't help thinking that they are just trying to buy time for announcing an immediate relo.

I just can't see any other plausible explanation for this farce.

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Question for those who live in the area, more specifically Phoenix, Scottsdale, Tempe or Mesa.

Has anyone tried to contact the office of their council person and ask if there we're meetings with the league/team? Not to get any details of any meeting, but just a confirmation either way and maybe even to get a gauge of the city's position/ level of interest.

Why not get something from another horse's mouth?

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Question for those who live in the area, more specifically Phoenix, Scottsdale, Tempe or Mesa.

Has anyone tried to contact the office of their council person and ask if there we're meetings with the league/team? Not to get any details of any meeting, but just a confirmation either way and maybe even to get a gauge of the city's position/ level of interest.

Why not get something from another horse's mouth?
The meeting was Top Secret. Only Coyote officials and their chosen mouthpieces know about it. Seems like it was so secret that the Coyotes did not invite any of the builders.That is why we are having difficulty getting anyone that isn't a Coyote to admit they were at the meeting

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For the 3rd time..Has anyone on the building side confirmed that there was any meeting? or is this just coming from the Coyote side?
No, I havent found a thing since I started looking yesterday via google search. No blurbs, no tweets, no reports, nothing.

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I'm trying my darndest to keep an open mind, but this whole sequence of events seems so desperate, farcical and futile that I can't help thinking that they are just trying to buy time for announcing an immediate relo.

I just can't see any other plausible explanation for this farce.
Far from alone in that regard Mork. When confronted with the implausible such as we have been then sure, Relo is the only plausible explanation. None of what were hearing from LeBlanc & or NHL friendly blogsters & reporters adds up. Doesnt make any sense no matter how you slice & dice it. IA simply does not have the kind of capital required to put towards the building of a new facility nor can they provide the kind of collateral that would be required to secure a loan to finance their contribution. To expect the Salt River - Pima Band to just absorb 100% of those costs?...

Then theres the timing, logistics. Without the NHL & their credit facilities propping up this club, these guys wouldnt make it to the last payroll of the 15/16 season let alone the first payroll of the 16/17 season so how are they going to get from then to lets say October of the 2019/20 season? Thats IF, and a BIG IF anyone in the Valley actually wants to do business with them much less shell out several hundred million for yet another facility in an already seriously overcrowded market. And then what?... Just hand over the keys,pay IA a big fat Mgmnt Fee & let them keep about 90% of all revenues including naming rights?... What have they (including the Blackmailing NHL who got away with $50M) done that has earned such largesse, faith & trust?.///

What is plausible is that the NHL & LeBlanc are now in full-on damage control, "giving the appearance" of doing everything possible to save the franchise after those Big, Bad Old Meanies from Glendale drove us out. All spin, PR.

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Thank you, Killion

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Not to be detailed, but do we really know that Bettman and LeBlanc actually met with the Phoenix mayor and state officials?

Casual Fan (who is admittedly distrustful of the entire situation there and the way it is covered) says that those are public officials with public calendars, and he hasn't found any such meetings.
I didn't look for any records but I did ask if anyone was aware of which officials Bettman reportedly met with. Haven't seen it reported; seems like an obvious question though

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