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12-29-2008, 10:10 AM
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The new Cherepanov bomb

http://sport.gazeta.ru/sport/2008/12/a_2920091.shtml

So if this is true, then many ppl are screwed, AO is screwed, the KHL image is screwed, and Alex's reputation himself

Although it seems like doping is not named as the direct cause.

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12-29-2008, 10:19 AM
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http://sport.gazeta.ru/sport/2008/12/a_2920091.shtml

So if this is true, then many ppl are screwed, AO is screwed, the KHL image is screwed, and Alex's reputation himself

Although it seems like doping is not named as the direct cause.

could you post a translation?

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12-29-2008, 10:36 AM
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could you post a translation?
Going by this Finnish story, which cites AP as the source: http://www.iltasanomat.fi/urheilu/uu...asp?id=1629641

Official investigative committee findings (doctor's): he used blood doping. Had been using for several months.

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Blood doping + heart condition = you fail

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12-29-2008, 11:01 AM
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http://sport.gazeta.ru/sport/2008/12/a_2920091.shtml

So if this is true, then many ppl are screwed, AO is screwed, the KHL image is screwed, and Alex's reputation himself

Although it seems like doping is not named as the direct cause.
Any translation for this article?

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12-29-2008, 11:03 AM
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Allhockey.ru actually posted the brief report from the General Prosecutor's office of Russian Federation.

http://allhockey.ru/news/43159/

Here are the main conclusions (main report to be released after new year)

1. Cherepanov developed "miocardia" (That's what it is called in Russian, not sure how it translated to English), he might have suffered with it for approximately one year. One can't be in professional sports with such desease.

2. Blood and Urine analisys did not show any traces of doping however "chemical analisys" allows to make a conclusion that Cherepanov did receive doping for several months (not clear, if it means for several months prior to death or for several months somewhere in the past)

3. Ambulance team arrived 12 minutes after the collapse. Their defibulator's battery was discharged. The ambulance team did a number of crucial mistakes: the doctor wrongfully made a diagnosis of biological death.

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12-29-2008, 11:52 AM
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Not good for Russian hockey at all

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Well, it is not the translation, but here are the articles from English Language sources...

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The Vancouver Sun

An investigation by the prosecutor-general's office revealed — on its website www.sledcomproc.ru — that Cherepanov had heart problems and should not have been playing professional hockey. His condition, myocarditis, is an inflammation of the heart muscle which impedes the flow of blood to the organ.

After his death a chemical analysis by forensic experts of Cherepanov's blood and urine indicated that he had been taking banned performance-enhancing drugs in the months leading up to his death.
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Russia's federal Investigative Committee said a chemical analysis of the samples allowed experts to conclude "that for several months Alexei Cherepanov engaged in blood doping." There was no elaboration, and a spokeswoman at the committee refused to comment further.

A row of gross violations was committed by the medical brigade helping A. Cherepanov," the statement said. Among them, doctors arrived on the scene a full 12 minutes after Cherepanov collapsed, and the battery on the defibrillator to attempt shock Cherepanov's heart back into life was drained, the statement said.
USA Today

Here is the original source (to the best of my knowledge) with a Google Translation .

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Any translation for this article?
The important part, from the Public Prosecutor's release:

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According to the conclusion of forensic doctors Alexei Cherepanov suffered from a disease of the heart — chronic myocarditis. The duration of the disease could be dated back approximately one year. The disease in question precludes the possibility of employment in professional sports. The direct cause of death is acute cardiovascular failure. In blood and urine traces of alcohol and drugs were not found, but chemical analysis makes it possible to draw the conclusion that for several months Alexei Cherepanov took performance enhancing substances (doping).

During the investigatory inspection it was established that the crew rendering medical aid to A. Cherepanov had committed a number of flagrant violations: the first aid crew, having arrived at the call after 12 minutes, had with it a defibrillator with a discharged battery, and the squad doctor provided the incorrect diagnosis of “biological death”.

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Go figure. The dirty cheat died of medical malpractice. How ironic is that?

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how is AO screwed?

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Could see this coming..

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how is AO screwed?
I was wondering the same thing..

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Mentioned here as well.
http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=400621

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Blood doping + heart condition = you fail
Pretty much. Question is now, did he know about the condition?

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Blood doping + heart condition = you fail
I think you don't understand.
I was reading an another thread
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I wouldn't go that far. It's not like he was using anabolic steroids to increase his strength or size. Cherepanov suffered from myocarditis, a condition where not enough blood gets to the heart. Blood doping is basically a method to increase the red blood cells in the blood (which carry oxygen).....the more RBC's in the blood, the more oxygen that gets to the muscles and the organs. No doubt it would give a normal athlete an advantage but maybe for not for Alexei.

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how is AO screwed?
AO has been Avangard Omsk long before THE AO learned how to walk.

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AO has been Avangard Omsk long before THE AO learned how to walk.
Is this the first time the abbreviation has been used? lol

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3. Ambulance team arrived 12 minutes after the collapse. Their defibulator's battery was discharged. The ambulance team did a number of crucial mistakes: the doctor wrongfully made a diagnosis of biological death.
Do any articles explain what the appropriate diagnosis should have been?

Curious exactly how "biological death" would be incorrect.

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Is this the first time the abbreviation has been used? lol
Oh, please...

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http://www.khl.ru/news/index.php?ELEMENT_ID=10149

It's not blood doping.

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Wow, so he had injection of "cordiamin" 3 hours before the game. Cordiamin is considered a doping by WADA. What was the reason for this injection. Did the doctors know he had heart problems or this "cordiamin" might have triggered the heart failure???

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Seems like it indicates the doctors knew he had heart problems. Unbelievable.....

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I'm wondering if Omsk GM Bardin knew about this. It would confirm what many already know.....he's the biggest POS in the KHL.

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The whole thing seems more and more like a very bizzare story.

The only positive thing is that this time around they are not trying to hide things, at least this is what it seems.

It is very hard to combine all the stories together but here is what I see in all of that.

1. Cherepanov heart issues supposedly started around one year ago.

My take on it: Around one year ago there was the Superseries between Canada and Russia, I remember something that prior to the series he was sick with flu. Was there a chance that he was rushed into playing too soon and might have damaged the heart muscle?

2. Cherepanov started taking some medicine 2-3 months prior to his death. Three hours before the game he had a shot of "cordiamin", a stimulant which mainly affects the respiratory cycle.

My take: It is not clear the reason for him taking this drug. Was it because he needed stimulation for his blood system due to his heart problems or because it's a common practice in Avangard to give this WADA prohibited stimulant to increase the output of the players?

3. In Dave King's book he wrote about the doctor named Viktor Gudzik. Dave King suspected that Gudzik gives to a lot of youngster some stuff that they don't know anything about. Gudzik when asked what those are would answer that these are vitamins. Older players wouldn't take these drugs by refusing, but yonger would not be able to say no. Evgeni Malkin would take the drugs as well simply because he just does what he is asked by the club, just like any other young player. Strangely enough, this Gudzik ended up working for Avangard and was fired weeks before Cherepanov's death.

My take on it: Cherepanov would be the last person to blame here. Not only he was just a tool used to deliver the results to his teams (not only Avangard, Russian national team as well, so the blame should also go towards the Russian Hockey Federation) but he probably also like a lot of youngsters was kept in the dark and had no say in it.

I just wish that the KHL (whoever Medvedev, Larionov) went all the way and digged out all the dirt in the Russian hockey. They inherited it from the system that was built who knows when. This terrible practice with the drugs must stop, there is simply no need for it.

Also I hope Cherepanov's name will be cleared of all the accusations, if he did take any doping that all lies on the club and on the system. To me Cherepanov clearly is innocent as well as he was a great person.

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