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11-14-2008, 12:00 AM
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On a related note, Pens fans are extremely impressed by the witty expressions we come up with for the term "shoot out". I think it's cute that they take it to heart. The nerve of us not to like a relatively new rule that changed the dynamic of the game.

It's also encouraging to see that even their mods have slammed shot after shot of the 'Flyers are Evil and Make Innocent Players Evil' koolaid.

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11-14-2008, 12:08 AM
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I swear I sat and said the same thing.

Over.

And over.

I don't know why NO ONE just gets between the circles and !!!BLASTS!!!
Alot if it has to do with the depth of the goalie, if they come out and cut down the angle too much, not alot you can do but go for the move. If you move back to quickly or don't come out far enough the shooters will pick you apart, which up until tonight has been biron's problem. My seats are behind the goalie in the upper deck, so those things are easy to see and just infuriates me.

A slap shot between the circles is fairly low % shot, gives the goalie both time to set and probably move out to take the angle. Considering most NHL goalies are 6'3" and over, doesn't give you much space with the lower accuracy of the slap shot. If you can get the goalie moving with a deke or move some kind your more likely to score. As a goalie, I want the guy to shoot, i'm set and waiting for it, I like my odds.

The lone exception on the flyers is Jeff Carter, his wrist shot is ungodly, it handcuffs goalies like crazy from pretty far out. He beat vallequett against the NYR last year with wrist shot that unfortunately hit the post. Vally didn't react to it until it had hit the post and came back past him, then had the nerve to steal carters fist pump when he won the shootout. i hate that guy, his only skill is size.

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11-14-2008, 12:11 AM
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how did lasse look at center?

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11-14-2008, 12:23 AM
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how did lasse look at center?
He wasn't there long, Vaananen left late in the 1st and Kukks took over. I'm usually a Kukkonen Hater but he played a strong game tonight.

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11-14-2008, 01:09 AM
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Eklund said Holmgren was scouting the Phoenix-Minnesota game tonight:

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Eklun...dYotes/1/17854
what would we possibly want from either of those two teams. BRING BACK KIM!!!!!!

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11-14-2008, 01:59 AM
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i'd love to know who he was scouting.

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Finally saw the Sabourin save. Richards will never miss a chance like that again.

I, too, wonder who Holmgren was scouting.... Zbynek Michalek? *crosses fingers*

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11-14-2008, 02:15 AM
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i'd love seeing kim back here...damn.

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11-14-2008, 03:27 AM
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i'd love seeing kim back here...damn.
not at a 4.85 million cap hit

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11-14-2008, 06:10 AM
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If we get Zbynek Michalek I will be so pumped. One of the most underrated defensemen in the NHL.

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11-14-2008, 07:21 AM
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Finally saw the Sabourin save. Richards will never miss a chance like that again.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVMaHMwUv7U&fmt=18

I really wanted to find the Hartnell one.

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11-14-2008, 07:51 AM
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And it was, to me, totally representative of what is probably the most negative aspect of Richards play on a regular basis. I love the guy, and there's very little that he does out there that I see as negative...but he definitely has a penchant for trying to force passes that aren't really there.
I often see and think the same thing. In some circles it's called "trying to do too much".

Just another step along the way to maturity.

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11-14-2008, 07:55 AM
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A slap shot between the circles is fairly low % shot, gives the goalie both time to set and probably move out to take the angle. Considering most NHL goalies are 6'3" and over, doesn't give you much space with the lower accuracy of the slap shot. If you can get the goalie moving with a deke or move some kind your more likely to score. As a goalie, I want the guy to shoot, i'm set and waiting for it, I like my odds.
I know. There's a reason why nearly everyone dekes every time. But because they do I just feel like actually shooting the puck might see some success.

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11-14-2008, 07:59 AM
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The Hartnell attempt sucked, however...

1) One of our top 4 has to score if marty stops 4 shots (rarest thing ever)

2) Hartnell is not a breakaway, skill player who will beat you with his moves. It was an awful idea to put him anywhere above 6th in the shootout order.

3) Incidientally, Andreas Nodl was amazing at shootouts attempts in the preseason camps i attended. He was a no brainer at that spot. I would have even put him in before Lupul (whose attempt was only not seen as worse becuase he didnt run into the goalie)

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11-14-2008, 08:10 AM
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the puck deflected twice on that play. i get that he'll still beat himself up for it, but i don't get how anyone other than himself can hold him accountable for that.

with the way all the bounces were going tonight, the flyers weren't meant to win.
That was a classic case of Richards trying to do too much below the circles with the puck--he's guilty of this with some regularity. When he gets away with it, looks great...when he doesn't, it can end up in the back of the net. At that point in the game, with a one-goal lead, the puck needs to be going up the boards hard...safe, easy play.

Mike Richards makes the safe play, we probably win that game. Instead he tried to get cute and pump the puck between two Pens, it bounced off one and out to the front of the net it went.

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11-14-2008, 08:17 AM
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That was a classic case of Richards trying to do too much below the circles with the puck--he's guilty of this with some regularity. When he gets away with it, looks great...when he doesn't, it can end up in the back of the net. At that point in the game, with a one-goal lead, the puck needs to be going up the boards hard...safe, easy play.

Mike Richards makes the safe play, we probably win that game. Instead he tried to get cute and pump the puck between two Pens, it bounced off one and out to the front of the net it went.


Yeah, it was downright novice. Not what we come to expect from such a cerebral player. The only play to be made in that situation was blasting it around the wall. I hate the way we cycle the puck backwards, it invites disaster.

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That was a classic case of Richards trying to do too much below the circles with the puck--he's guilty of this with some regularity. When he gets away with it, looks great...when he doesn't, it can end up in the back of the net. At that point in the game, with a one-goal lead, the puck needs to be going up the boards hard...safe, easy play.

Mike Richards makes the safe play, we probably win that game. Instead he tried to get cute and pump the puck between two Pens, it bounced off one and out to the front of the net it went.
Against two arguable best players in the league. Not just some players.

Mike will learn. I am not worried:

"I was just trying to go hard off the boards and if the winger's there, he could chip it out and if not, it could go directly out," Richards said of the third-period play. "I don't know if it hit a skate or a shin pad, I don't know but it was just a poor play by me."

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I know. There's a reason why nearly everyone dekes every time. But because they do I just feel like actually shooting the puck might see some success.

Famous Non Deke ==>
Joe Sakic probably shoots more than most, but he has one of the quickest releases in history. And the older guys like sakic and JR, seem to be more accurate. Routinely going 4 for 4 in the accuracy competition. Once the composite sticks really started going, shooting became more about velocity than accuracy. A well placed shot doing 80 has a better chance than a 100mph shot at the goalie's chest or the glass. But you can't tell shooters anything, they are busy flexing sticks in the hall trying to see which one gives them the most kick.

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This team has yet to beat a serious playoff threat.

Anyone else concerned about this fact?

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11-14-2008, 08:54 AM
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Finally saw the Sabourin save. Richards will never miss a chance like that again.

I, too, wonder who Holmgren was scouting.... Zbynek Michalek? *crosses fingers*
Zidlicky is like 4.5 mil too.
Not happening.

edit. 3.75

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The Hartnell attempt sucked, however...

1) One of our top 4 has to score if marty stops 4 shots (rarest thing ever)

2) Hartnell is not a breakaway, skill player who will beat you with his moves. It was an awful idea to put him anywhere above 6th in the shootout order.

3) Incidientally, Andreas Nodl was amazing at shootouts attempts in the preseason camps i attended. He was a no brainer at that spot. I would have even put him in before Lupul (whose attempt was only not seen as worse becuase he didnt run into the goalie)
Why not Upshall in that situation?

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11-14-2008, 09:09 AM
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This team has yet to beat a serious playoff threat.

Anyone else concerned about this fact?
I'm not sure why anyone would be surprised to hear that. They haven't looked like a playoff team yet this year.

In short, there's a lot more to be concerned about than how they play the good teams, because they can't even sustain a 2-way effort against the bad ones, either.

Aside from the Atlanta game, they haven't played a 60 minute game all year. That's a legitimate concern.

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11-14-2008, 09:15 AM
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Blaming this L on hartnell is ********. As with blaming it on Stevens. Whatever he said in that TO worked. That's a fact.
Blame it on the team for giving up 3 goals to start (though crosby and Malkin's goals were sick)

Say a player had a game with a terrible defensive giveaway, leading to a tying goal. Then in a shootout, had the goalie beat, but lazily tried to push the puck into the net and tried to look pretty instead of slamming it home and it got stopped.

Now let's call that player Lupul. You vultures would be all over him.

But it was Richards.

You flame Stevens for playing favorites when it comes to accountability, but you do the same thing.

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11-14-2008, 09:19 AM
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Zidlicky is like 4.5 mil too.
Not happening.

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Dude.

DUDE.

Zbynek Michalek's cap hit is $1.25 and he is signed thru '09-'10.

No one mentioned Zidlicky at all.

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Blaming this L on hartnell is ********. As with blaming it on Stevens. Whatever he said in that TO worked. That's a fact.
Blame it on the team for giving up 3 goals to start (though crosby and Malkin's goals were sick)

Say a player had a game with a terrible defensive giveaway, leading to a tying goal. Then in a shootout, had the goalie beat, but lazily tried to push the puck into the net and tried to look pretty instead of slamming it home and it got stopped.

Now let's call that player Lupul. You vultures would be all over him.

But it was Richards.

You flame Stevens for playing favorites when it comes to accountability, but you do the same thing.
Richards defensive giveaway sucked for us, but it was a tough play. He knows he screwed up, in many ways it was bad luck also, it deflected off a skate or something right in front of Biron and right onto Crosby's stick.

However, the Sabourin save was sick. Richards should have buried that, and I screamed when I saw that, I would pound that ****ing puck in and make sure we win. However, whats done is done and once again the Flyers find a way to lose.

These guys need to practice shootouts more. Biron actually looked good, but none of the shooters did anything, Hartnell looked particularly awful.

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